(07-24-2020 02:45 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
This is like talking in circles. Teaches can also spread it through each other, if you want to assume that kids cant spread (which is likely false; though it may be true they don't spread as easily). And I doubt we can trace every COVID case to the origin, it's just too difficult. I do know of the Arizona teacher that die after all 3 teachers in the classroom caught COVID. But, hey we know for 100% that a kid didn't give it to her so theres that! That makes everything better.
The millions of people that probably shouldn't be going to work everyday? That doesn't change my point.
Again, I don't really care if teachers are subjected to the same risk as everyone else in the country. They can opt out if they want to. My guess, and anecdotal experience, is that most teachers would like to get back into the classroom. It is not teacher's individually that are creating this problem, it is the Teachers' Unions.
How are you going to have school with teachers opting out?
My guess is that very few will, just like every other job.
(07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't lost any school years.
I know you're being argumentative here. There is no chance you believe they didn't lose half the school year this year. Every student, parent, teacher, and administrator I know agrees that the school year effectively ended March 13th.
And, while it's nice to say, "You do what you gotta do," what should I tell the mom of the kid who is currently in the pool with my son? She's a single mom. Has to physically go to work, regardless of what the schools do (her job can figure it out, WalMart can figure it out, but apparently, teachers can't), and there is NO WAY she can afford to quit her job or send her son to private school. And, let me be clear, she isn't looking for a free babysitter. She is looking for the school district to educate her son. If he has to attend virtually, there is no way that is going to happen effectively.
They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention.
This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
(07-24-2020 03:22 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]DC announcing nonessential travelers from certain states (TBD) will have to quarantine upon arrival. Virginia and Maryland will be excluded.
Not sure of the implementation process or if the Fed will interfere.
Far more so than Giles’ renegade teachers, I suspect many out-of-state DC visitors will be “opting out”.
There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
(07-24-2020 08:10 PM)GotLabradors Wrote: [ -> ]There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.
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(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I know you're being argumentative here. There is no chance you believe they didn't lose half the school year this year. Every student, parent, teacher, and administrator I know agrees that the school year effectively ended March 13th.
And, while it's nice to say, "You do what you gotta do," what should I tell the mom of the kid who is currently in the pool with my son? She's a single mom. Has to physically go to work, regardless of what the schools do (her job can figure it out, WalMart can figure it out, but apparently, teachers can't), and there is NO WAY she can afford to quit her job or send her son to private school. And, let me be clear, she isn't looking for a free babysitter. She is looking for the school district to educate her son. If he has to attend virtually, there is no way that is going to happen effectively.
They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention.
This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention.
This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.
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(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
If you're not willing to actually engage in rational conversation, why are you bothering? No need to be purposely obtuse.
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.
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Seriously, we spend $15k per kid on education in this country, and now we're finding out that all we need is Google and a parent. Looking forward to my taxes decreasing. Someone needs to tell the teachers they can be replaced by a search engine. We're about to have a whole bunch of unemployed folks.
(07-24-2020 09:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.
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Seriously, we spend $15k per kid on education in this country, and now we're finding out that all we need is Google and a parent. Looking forward to my taxes decreasing. Someone needs to tell the teachers they can be replaced by a search engine. We're about to have a whole bunch of unemployed folks.
Yeah poor choice of words from Giles.
Not every child learns the same way Giles...
(07-24-2020 09:50 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 09:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.
Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.
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Seriously, we spend $15k per kid on education in this country, and now we're finding out that all we need is Google and a parent. Looking forward to my taxes decreasing. Someone needs to tell the teachers they can be replaced by a search engine. We're about to have a whole bunch of unemployed folks.
Yeah poor choice of words from Giles.
Not every child learns the same way Giles...
For someone who typically can hold his own in any discussion, this latest from Giles is complete nonsense.
The only logic to it is what has become undeniably apparent: the lockdown rationale has less to do with legitimate concerns about individual and societal health and much more to do about political control.
It’s sickening - - in both the literal and figurative sense.
When so many governors from both political parties are in agreement about the need for a lockdown, how can it be viewed as a political power grab?
(07-25-2020 06:21 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]When so many governors from both political parties are in agreement about the need for a lockdown, how can it be viewed as a political power grab?
Because both parties are after the same thing. Power.
(07-25-2020 06:30 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 06:21 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]When so many governors from both political parties are in agreement about the need for a lockdown, how can it be viewed as a political power grab?
Because both parties are after the same thing. Power.
With the added edge in Virginia of a governor desperately seeking redemption for his own humiliatingly racist record.
(07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:10 PM)GotLabradors Wrote: [ -> ]There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.
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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.
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(07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:10 PM)GotLabradors Wrote: [ -> ]There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.
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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.
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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?
Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.
(07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:10 PM)GotLabradors Wrote: [ -> ]There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.
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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.
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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?
Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.
I don't think it is purposeful disregard. I think he is just that completely out of touch... at least that's what I hope.
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(07-25-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.
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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.
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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?
Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.
I don't think it is purposeful disregard. I think he is just that completely out of touch... at least that's what I hope.
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You guys are piling on here for a one word response. The question wasn’t who bears responsibility, it was how will students be held accountable. Theoretically they should be held accountable in the same manner they would normally. If you don’t show up it’s an absence. But accommodations will be made for those that need help with technology or other personal assistance, just as they did in the spring. It should be better this time because they have more time to plan. But ultimately the students will be expected to attend and turn in work just like normal school. And teachers will be expected to reach out to students who need help and interact as a group and individually. That’s not what happened this spring, but that is the plan for the fall as I understand it.
(07-25-2020 10:01 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.
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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?
Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.
I don't think it is purposeful disregard. I think he is just that completely out of touch... at least that's what I hope.
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You guys are piling on here for a one word response. The question wasn’t who bears responsibility, it was how will students be held accountable. Theoretically they should be held accountable in the same manner they would normally. If you don’t show up it’s an absence. But accommodations will be made for those that need help with technology or other personal assistance, just as they did in the spring. It should be better this time because they have more time to plan. But ultimately the students will be expected to attend and turn in work just like normal school. And teachers will be expected to reach out to students who need help and interact as a group and individually. That’s not what happened this spring, but that is the plan for the fall as I understand it.
Can you justify his preceding comment from which it is sourced - - that students can look to Google and (if if one is available) a parent to teach them principles of chemistry and algebra?
I am not a libertarian, nor a strict conservative. I believe that government should play an active role in our society on many levels. Education tops the list, behind only military, infrastructure and maintaining the peace.
But if gov’t is going to perform that role, it will need to do so. Shutting down our schools, which essentially only the teachers’ unions are calling for among those directly involved, is an abdication of that responsibility.
Calling for another school shutdown in these circumstances is unwarranted. And cruel.