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(04-17-2020 09:56 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]If a million people die from opening to soon, how is that any different than a million dying from staying closed? Opening to soon will result in people being infected against their will and knowledge, caused by others who are willing to take a chance. This particular virus is highly contagious. Addiction, depression, anxiety, poverty are all non-contagious and there are resources available to help folks suffering from them.How do we know opening to soon won't lead to depression, certainly anxiety, etc anyhow? Saying we're open is not the same thing as saying people will all of a sudden come out and return to work or school and magically start spending money. What parent is going to say I'm sending my kids back to school now and just hope and pray they don't get sick and die?

The only way is to phase in reopening. The only way to safely phase in reopening is to have the ability to test at a massive scale. So far our government has proven wholly incapable of doing this.

With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
(04-17-2020 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:45 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 08:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 08:01 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Wait and see doesn't really work when 22 million people lose their jobs in 1 month. Most places in the country have very few cases, 25% of the counties in the US have zero cases. Those places need to open back up ASAP.

This is the logic people have to tackle. Why aren't there any cases? (social distancing) How many cases do they have if they open it up right now? Does opening up now ruin the entire reason for having the social distancing measures?

That is one question that needs to be tackled.

Another question that has to be tackled is how far do we let this go. Is a global depression an acceptable outcome to save X number of lives? There is a tipping point and there needs to be some discussion around it. It may make me sound like an awful human being, but I don't think saving even a million lives is worth the devastation that would be caused by a global depression. And frankly, that is not a callous take from me. I have great empathy for the people affected by this virus, both directly AND indirectly, and I happen to believe we would be doing more people, more good by avoiding that economic devastation and the inevitable death, destruction, depression, anxiety, substance abuse and poverty it would ultimately lead to.

As much as it pains me to say it, I am with you on this. I can't find a way to make myself believe the alternative is the way to go.Trust me, I really want to convince myself that saving all lives is the most important factor in this.

Well, isn't this pretty obvious? Why would you need to convince yourself that saving lives is the most important variable?

Well it is, but the economic impact can cause so many issues that lead to alternative deaths.
(04-17-2020 10:04 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 08:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 08:01 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 07:06 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]This discussion seems to magnify the wisdom of "wait and see". It's a brand new situation and no one really knows what final figures will be. The only thing certain is that people are dying and the virus appears to be highly contagious. Maybe a year from now we'll have more accurate numbers. I think most people agree the situation is bad, we just don't know how bad.

Wait and see doesn't really work when 22 million people lose their jobs in 1 month. Most places in the country have very few cases, 25% of the counties in the US have zero cases. Those places need to open back up ASAP.

This is the logic people have to tackle. Why aren't there any cases? (social distancing) How many cases do they have if they open it up right now? Does opening up now ruin the entire reason for having the social distancing measures?

That is one question that needs to be tackled.

Another question that has to be tackled is how far do we let this go. Is a global depression an acceptable outcome to save X number of lives? There is a tipping point and there needs to be some discussion around it. It may make me sound like an awful human being, but I don't think saving even a million lives is worth the devastation that would be caused by a global depression. And frankly, that is not a callous take from me. I have great empathy for the people affected by this virus, both directly AND indirectly, and I happen to believe we would be doing more people, more good by avoiding that economic devastation and the inevitable death, destruction, depression, anxiety, substance abuse and poverty it would ultimately lead to.

What is a global depression?

Its a lot like a depression, but global.
(04-17-2020 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Testing has to be widely available before we open up anything. Without the ability to know who is spreading, any openings are dangerous.

I disagree. I don't think we need widely available testing before we open the playgrounds for people to play pickup hoops or to have a family picnic. But, that's just my opinion.
Preventative care, cancer screenings, well visits, and elective surgeries aren't happening right now either and once we get back to normal, there will likely be a very large backlog that will take months if not a year or so to clear. Not sure a number can be put on it and how it compares to deaths from the Wuhon virus, but I bet this is another lockdown consequence that will cost many lives.
(04-17-2020 10:17 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Testing has to be widely available before we open up anything. Without the ability to know who is spreading, any openings are dangerous.

I disagree. I don't think we need widely available testing before we open the playgrounds for people to play pickup hoops or to have a family picnic. But, that's just my opinion.

Or even just let people shoot around by themselves or play horse. Took my son out yesterday to work on his shot and goal tending (soccer) like we often do in the offseason (or in this case no-season). Took over an hour of driving around to find a place to practice. All city and school fields are locked up or, where not locked, they took the nets out of all the goals. Not a single public soccer goal in the entire city of Newport News. Finally found a field with a goal in decent shape at a small, church based middle school. This is NUTS.
(04-17-2020 10:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:56 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]If a million people die from opening to soon, how is that any different than a million dying from staying closed? Opening to soon will result in people being infected against their will and knowledge, caused by others who are willing to take a chance. This particular virus is highly contagious. Addiction, depression, anxiety, poverty are all non-contagious and there are resources available to help folks suffering from them.How do we know opening to soon won't lead to depression, certainly anxiety, etc anyhow? Saying we're open is not the same thing as saying people will all of a sudden come out and return to work or school and magically start spending money. What parent is going to say I'm sending my kids back to school now and just hope and pray they don't get sick and die?

The only way is to phase in reopening. The only way to safely phase in reopening is to have the ability to test at a massive scale. So far our government has proven wholly incapable of doing this.

With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:56 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]If a million people die from opening to soon, how is that any different than a million dying from staying closed? Opening to soon will result in people being infected against their will and knowledge, caused by others who are willing to take a chance. This particular virus is highly contagious. Addiction, depression, anxiety, poverty are all non-contagious and there are resources available to help folks suffering from them.How do we know opening to soon won't lead to depression, certainly anxiety, etc anyhow? Saying we're open is not the same thing as saying people will all of a sudden come out and return to work or school and magically start spending money. What parent is going to say I'm sending my kids back to school now and just hope and pray they don't get sick and die?

The only way is to phase in reopening. The only way to safely phase in reopening is to have the ability to test at a massive scale. So far our government has proven wholly incapable of doing this.

With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:56 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]If a million people die from opening to soon, how is that any different than a million dying from staying closed? Opening to soon will result in people being infected against their will and knowledge, caused by others who are willing to take a chance. This particular virus is highly contagious. Addiction, depression, anxiety, poverty are all non-contagious and there are resources available to help folks suffering from them.How do we know opening to soon won't lead to depression, certainly anxiety, etc anyhow? Saying we're open is not the same thing as saying people will all of a sudden come out and return to work or school and magically start spending money. What parent is going to say I'm sending my kids back to school now and just hope and pray they don't get sick and die?

The only way is to phase in reopening. The only way to safely phase in reopening is to have the ability to test at a massive scale. So far our government has proven wholly incapable of doing this.

With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
Great idea. I will start taking courses on how to repair a broken furnace so as to not bring contractors into
my house. Maybe I will learn to rebuild a car engine too to avoid the asymptomatic mechanic who felt his rights were being stripped." No worries if he is marching around infecting others because he doesn't want to be stripped of his rights.
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.

This. It's choices. The goal of all of this is supposed to be "flattening the curve," and now it sounds like people want to make decisions based only on eliminating all risk.
(04-17-2020 10:37 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.

This. It's choices. The goal of all of this is supposed to be "flattening the curve," and now it sounds like people want to make decisions based only on eliminating all risk.
Frankly, I am skeptical of others making choices which could kill me.
(04-17-2020 10:36 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 09:56 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]If a million people die from opening to soon, how is that any different than a million dying from staying closed? Opening to soon will result in people being infected against their will and knowledge, caused by others who are willing to take a chance. This particular virus is highly contagious. Addiction, depression, anxiety, poverty are all non-contagious and there are resources available to help folks suffering from them.How do we know opening to soon won't lead to depression, certainly anxiety, etc anyhow? Saying we're open is not the same thing as saying people will all of a sudden come out and return to work or school and magically start spending money. What parent is going to say I'm sending my kids back to school now and just hope and pray they don't get sick and die?

The only way is to phase in reopening. The only way to safely phase in reopening is to have the ability to test at a massive scale. So far our government has proven wholly incapable of doing this.

With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
Great idea. I will start taking courses on how to repair a broken furnace so as to not bring contractors into
my house. Maybe I will learn to rebuild a car engine too to avoid the asymptomatic mechanic who felt his rights were being stripped." No worries if he is marching around infecting others because he doesn't want to be stripped of his rights.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Under your preferred approach you would not be able to have any of those things fixed either, just in the process you would be prohibiting anyone else from getting those services and legislating away the contractor's ability to earn a living.
(04-17-2020 10:41 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:36 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]With regards to your opening statement, I would say the difference is a) if 1 million people die from the depression or 1 million people die from the virus, then it is a wash as far as deaths go and we should worry more about the hundreds of millions, or billions of people whose lives would be better if we avoid a depression. And, b) Removing restrictions in non hot spots gives people the freedom to make their own choices. Individual liberty is something we should all hold dear as the beneficiaries of a nation founded on the principles of liberty. If you choose to go out into the world, you do so as an informed citizen, and you do so at your own risk, if you do not want to go out into the world, you are not being forced to. On the other hand, your position strips me of my rights and tells me that I have to do what you want me to do. So one position allows everyone freedom, and one position puts everyone under state control... and without any democratic process. You may be able to convince me to begrudgingly accept your position if there were at least a democratic process around it. If it went through state legislatures, and there was open debate, and our representative voted on a plan, rather than Governors ruling by fiat.
So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
Great idea. I will start taking courses on how to repair a broken furnace so as to not bring contractors into
my house. Maybe I will learn to rebuild a car engine too to avoid the asymptomatic mechanic who felt his rights were being stripped." No worries if he is marching around infecting others because he doesn't want to be stripped of his rights.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Under your preferred approach you would not be able to have any of those things fixed either, just in the process you would be prohibiting anyone else from getting those services and legislating away the contractor's ability to earn a living.
If the contractor enters my house with proof he was tested negative for the virus then let him come on in and earn a living. If he is some dope that ignores social distancing and is not tested than he shouldn't be risking other lives due to his ignorance.
(04-17-2020 10:41 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:37 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.

This. It's choices. The goal of all of this is supposed to be "flattening the curve," and now it sounds like people want to make decisions based only on eliminating all risk.
Frankly, I am skeptical of others making choices which could kill me.

Me too, but I include the government in that group.
(04-17-2020 10:46 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]If the contractor enters my house with proof he was tested negative for the virus then let him come on in and earn a living. If he is some dope that ignores social distancing and is not tested than he shouldn't be risking other lives due to his ignorance.

Then, feel free to either wait until the risk of contracting the pandemic is zero, or make the contractor prove he is negative. But, why do I have to also follow your guidelines?
(04-17-2020 10:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:46 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]If the contractor enters my house with proof he was tested negative for the virus then let him come on in and earn a living. If he is some dope that ignores social distancing and is not tested than he shouldn't be risking other lives due to his ignorance.

Then, feel free to either wait until the risk of contracting the pandemic is zero, or make the contractor prove he is negative. But, why do I have to also follow your guidelines?
Because if people don't follow guidelines with this pandemic it may never end.
(04-17-2020 10:41 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:37 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.

This. It's choices. The goal of all of this is supposed to be "flattening the curve," and now it sounds like people want to make decisions based only on eliminating all risk.
Frankly, I am skeptical of others making choices which could kill me.



This is EXACTLY how dictatorships happen. It is incredible to me how little respect some people have for freedom, liberty, democracy, The Constitution...

Quote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Neither you, nor any other man has the Constitutional right to strip other people of their individual liberty because you do not "trust" their decisions.
(04-17-2020 10:46 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:41 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:36 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]So, in theory, you are an electrician and decide to "go out in the world." You contract the virus but are asymptomatic. Two days later you enter my house to install lighting fixtures. I contract the virus from you and die. Good plan. Glad you weren't "stripped of your rights." <smh>
Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
Great idea. I will start taking courses on how to repair a broken furnace so as to not bring contractors into
my house. Maybe I will learn to rebuild a car engine too to avoid the asymptomatic mechanic who felt his rights were being stripped." No worries if he is marching around infecting others because he doesn't want to be stripped of his rights.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Under your preferred approach you would not be able to have any of those things fixed either, just in the process you would be prohibiting anyone else from getting those services and legislating away the contractor's ability to earn a living.
If the contractor enters my house with proof he was tested negative for the virus then let him come on in and earn a living. If he is some dope that ignores social distancing and is not tested than he shouldn't be risking other lives due to his ignorance.

So as long as he can show the guvment his papers he is aloud to participate in society. Got it.
(04-17-2020 10:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:46 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:41 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:36 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-17-2020 10:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I am not forcing anyone to do anything. If you aren't comfortable, or if you are one of the relatively few Americans who is likely to die from the virus, you can, and should, choose to stay home, social distance, and definitely refrain from bringing contractors into your home.
Great idea. I will start taking courses on how to repair a broken furnace so as to not bring contractors into
my house. Maybe I will learn to rebuild a car engine too to avoid the asymptomatic mechanic who felt his rights were being stripped." No worries if he is marching around infecting others because he doesn't want to be stripped of his rights.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Under your preferred approach you would not be able to have any of those things fixed either, just in the process you would be prohibiting anyone else from getting those services and legislating away the contractor's ability to earn a living.
If the contractor enters my house with proof he was tested negative for the virus then let him come on in and earn a living. If he is some dope that ignores social distancing and is not tested than he shouldn't be risking other lives due to his ignorance.

So as long as he can show the guvment his papers he is aloud to participate in society. Got it.


Here's the thing: If Philly wants the contractor to have "papers" before he allows the contractor in his home, that's a choice he should be free to make. I just don't like the idea of anyone insisting I need to make the same choice. Further, it's insulting for anyone to believe I "don't care about people dying," if I choose differently. We take calculated risks everyday. We always have. We'll have to again in the future. This thing isn't going to magically disappear, quarantine or no quarantine.
How about a little quarantine levity!...

Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.

I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on wheel of fortune. Now I turn it like I’m cracking a safe.

Still haven’t decided where to go for Easter……The Living Room or The Bedroom.

Every few days try your jeans on to make sure they still fit. Pajamas will have you believing all is well in the kingdom. I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator.

Homeschooling is going well. Two students were suspended for fighting and one teacher was fired for drinking on the job (my fav)

This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into the house and told my dog. We had a good laugh over it.

So, after the quarantine, will the producers of My 600 Pound Life find me or do I find them?

Quarantine day 5: Went to this restaurant called The Kitchen. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place stays in business.

My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat.

I’m so excited—it’s time to take out the garbage! What should I wear?

I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip to "Puerto Backyarda". ‘M getting tired of "Los Living room".

Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeking woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.

Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said "I hope I don’t have the same teacher next year." I am offended.

Better 6 feet apart than 6 feet under. Stay safe
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