(07-24-2020 12:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:41 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 05:04 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]This is so disingenuous. “I’m not sure how I have control.” Here’s how: so long as you and others keep bending your knee to the Governor and waxing poetic about how great of a job he’s done with this, he’ll continue to believe it. He’ll keep on going with his power hungry actions, because you know, that’s really what hte people want anyway.
Frankly, I’m not worried about my kids. My wife is a licensed teacher. We have the resources to educate them just fine at home (or send them to private school, if we want). But, what about the families that don’t have the options I have (or your buddies have)? What are they supposed to do?
How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
I don’t know how much school the rest of the world has had since the pandemic started, but in this country there has been none. So zero confirmed cases in the US would be expected. As for the rest of the world it would depend on how much school has been in session during the pandemic.
Why are teachers different from the millions of us who are going to work? For the same reason that they are different from the millions of us who are teleworking. Every job is different and poses different risks. If you could do you job remotely, why wouldn’t you? Honestly, I would like to see my kids in school. Not because I need to be home because I’m teleworking. I have a senior graduating this year and I want the best experience for him. I’m hoping that at some point this year they will be back in physical school. But I understand the heightened risk and I have a hard time overcoming the risk to myself with diabetes. Schools have always been thought of as germ incubators before the pandemic, but we accepted that risk because the consequences were lower. Should we accept that risk now that the consequences are greater? I just hope that by November we see that in-person school did not result in increased spread of COVID and we can get all students back in school.
November sounds about right. I imagine we will find out that kids can safely go back to school sometime shortly after November 3.
I see your point. But the November reference was to the schools starting 2nd quarter.
(07-24-2020 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]A bunch of countries reopened the schools (or in some cases, never closed them). Very, very few outbreaks. We don't shut the schools down during flu season, so why now?
https://freopp.org/reopening-americas-sc...b35e3e32c4
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The big difference I see is the flu has a large history and is fairly predictable. COVID, not so much. Whatever data we have is sporadic and usually politicized. I know you’re point of view is that if we don’t have predominantly negative data then that means the risk is low and schools should open. I would be there too if the majority of experts agreed with that. But it seems the scientific community is split. Probably along political lines. I honestly can’t pick a side, I just hope it all works out in the end.
Are there scientists who are saying we shouldn't open the schools? Most of the objections I've seen are from politicians and teacher unions.
(07-24-2020 01:44 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Are there scientists who are saying we shouldn't open the schools? Most of the objections I've seen are from politicians and teacher unions.
I'm pretty sure that Bill Nye has come out against it.
I cannot imagine there's any more sciencey expert than he.
(07-24-2020 11:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't lost any school years.
I know you're being argumentative here. There is no chance you believe they didn't lose half the school year this year. Every student, parent, teacher, and administrator I know agrees that the school year effectively ended March 13th.
And, while it's nice to say, "You do what you gotta do," what should I tell the mom of the kid who is currently in the pool with my son? She's a single mom. Has to physically go to work, regardless of what the schools do (her job can figure it out, WalMart can figure it out, but apparently, teachers can't), and there is NO WAY she can afford to quit her job or send her son to private school. And, let me be clear, she isn't looking for a free babysitter. She is looking for the school district to educate her son. If he has to attend virtually, there is no way that is going to happen effectively.
They were in school for 6 months and learning at home for 3 months. They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention. And kids are in school from 8 to 3...including lunch...including recess...including art...including PE, etc. They can learn in 2 hours what it takes to learn in a full school day. (this coming from their teachers, FWIW).
To the single Mom, I feel bad for her. None of us can control that the virus hit our country so we have to make the best of our situations. Just hypotheticals here, but say single mom sends little johnny to school and because of school opens, the virus spreads through adults (just on the wild notion that kids CANT spread it). One (or a few) of the teachers pass away. Are we thinking about her and her family as well? Do they get consideration?
(07-24-2020 01:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:41 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
I don’t know how much school the rest of the world has had since the pandemic started, but in this country there has been none. So zero confirmed cases in the US would be expected. As for the rest of the world it would depend on how much school has been in session during the pandemic.
Why are teachers different from the millions of us who are going to work? For the same reason that they are different from the millions of us who are teleworking. Every job is different and poses different risks. If you could do you job remotely, why wouldn’t you? Honestly, I would like to see my kids in school. Not because I need to be home because I’m teleworking. I have a senior graduating this year and I want the best experience for him. I’m hoping that at some point this year they will be back in physical school. But I understand the heightened risk and I have a hard time overcoming the risk to myself with diabetes. Schools have always been thought of as germ incubators before the pandemic, but we accepted that risk because the consequences were lower. Should we accept that risk now that the consequences are greater? I just hope that by November we see that in-person school did not result in increased spread of COVID and we can get all students back in school.
November sounds about right. I imagine we will find out that kids can safely go back to school sometime shortly after November 3.
I see your point. But the November reference was to the schools starting 2nd quarter.
I was just being an ass. I honestly don't think most schools will open before the second semester. If you look at the guidelines that VB put out, we are miles from reaching their metric for getting all kids back to school, and the bar, frankly, seems unreachable before there is a vaccine.
(07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 05:04 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2020 10:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2020 08:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]I wish I had that same option, but folks like you and our governor will not allow it.
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Thats odd because I bet if you wanted to find a school to send your child to in Hampton Roads, you could. I know that cause many of my buddies are doing so.
P.S. Im not sure how I (and folks like me) have control over whats allowed.
This is so disingenuous. “I’m not sure how I have control.” Here’s how: so long as you and others keep bending your knee to the Governor and waxing poetic about how great of a job he’s done with this, he’ll continue to believe it. He’ll keep on going with his power hungry actions, because you know, that’s really what hte people want anyway.
Frankly, I’m not worried about my kids. My wife is a licensed teacher. We have the resources to educate them just fine at home (or send them to private school, if we want). But, what about the families that don’t have the options I have (or your buddies have)? What are they supposed to do?
How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
This is like talking in circles. Teaches can also spread it through each other, if you want to assume that kids cant spread (which is likely false; though it may be true they don't spread as easily). And I doubt we can trace every COVID case to the origin, it's just too difficult. I do know of the Arizona teacher that die after all 3 teachers in the classroom caught COVID. But, hey we know for 100% that a kid didn't give it to her so theres that! That makes everything better.
The millions of people that probably shouldn't be going to work everyday? That doesn't change my point.
(07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't lost any school years.
I know you're being argumentative here. There is no chance you believe they didn't lose half the school year this year. Every student, parent, teacher, and administrator I know agrees that the school year effectively ended March 13th.
And, while it's nice to say, "You do what you gotta do," what should I tell the mom of the kid who is currently in the pool with my son? She's a single mom. Has to physically go to work, regardless of what the schools do (her job can figure it out, WalMart can figure it out, but apparently, teachers can't), and there is NO WAY she can afford to quit her job or send her son to private school. And, let me be clear, she isn't looking for a free babysitter. She is looking for the school district to educate her son. If he has to attend virtually, there is no way that is going to happen effectively.
They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention.
This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
(07-24-2020 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 05:04 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2020 10:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Thats odd because I bet if you wanted to find a school to send your child to in Hampton Roads, you could. I know that cause many of my buddies are doing so.
P.S. Im not sure how I (and folks like me) have control over whats allowed.
This is so disingenuous. “I’m not sure how I have control.” Here’s how: so long as you and others keep bending your knee to the Governor and waxing poetic about how great of a job he’s done with this, he’ll continue to believe it. He’ll keep on going with his power hungry actions, because you know, that’s really what hte people want anyway.
Frankly, I’m not worried about my kids. My wife is a licensed teacher. We have the resources to educate them just fine at home (or send them to private school, if we want). But, what about the families that don’t have the options I have (or your buddies have)? What are they supposed to do?
How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
This is like talking in circles. Teaches can also spread it through each other, if you want to assume that kids cant spread (which is likely false; though it may be true they don't spread as easily). And I doubt we can trace every COVID case to the origin, it's just too difficult. I do know of the Arizona teacher that die after all 3 teachers in the classroom caught COVID. But, hey we know for 100% that a kid didn't give it to her so theres that! That makes everything better.
The millions of people that probably shouldn't be going to work everyday? That doesn't change my point.
Again, I don't really care if teachers are subjected to the same risk as everyone else in the country. They can opt out if they want to. My guess, and anecdotal experience, is that most teachers would like to get back into the classroom. It is not teacher's individually that are creating this problem, it is the Teachers' Unions.
(07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They were in school for 6 months and learning at home for 3 months. They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention. And kids are in school from 8 to 3...including lunch...including recess...including art...including PE, etc. They can learn in 2 hours what it takes to learn in a full school day. (this coming from their teachers, FWIW).
To the single Mom, I feel bad for her. None of us can control that the virus hit our country so we have to make the best of our situations. Just hypotheticals here, but say single mom sends little johnny to school and because of school opens, the virus spreads through adults (just on the wild notion that kids CANT spread it). One (or a few) of the teachers pass away. Are we thinking about her and her family as well? Do they get consideration?
I will disagree with you on how much they learned in the virtual environment. I agree that the typical school day is not the most efficient, but I completely disagree that the Spring was a success. 1 of my 4 kids had a positive educational experience. From speaking with teachers and administrators, most are willing to concede that for most students, it was a disaster, with little learning done.
My wife is a teacher. Yes, of course, they get consideration. But, countless of other adults have figured out a way to go into their workplace and protect themselves. Why can't teachers?
Frankly, our school districts do not exist to keep teachers employed. They exist to educate our children. If teachers don't want to take the risk, I'm not going to judge them for that. They are welcome to resign. No hard feelings from me. But, if the CDC and scientific experts think schools should be open, let's do what we can to open the schools and educate our kids. The kids deserve that much.
(07-24-2020 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]A bunch of countries reopened the schools (or in some cases, never closed them). Very, very few outbreaks. We don't shut the schools down during flu season, so why now?
https://freopp.org/reopening-americas-sc...b35e3e32c4
I believe a lot of those schools had restrictions on opening, I know I posted those earlier in the summer.
And how is Coronavirus impact other countries vs. us? We are in the mist of getting hammered by the virus with schools starting in 2-6 weeks.
Please stop with the flu vs. COVID. We are at around 4x the number of COVID deaths (and rising) than there are for the flu. People want to make that comparison but it still doesn't make any sense at all.
Let's go straight from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...hools.html
Quote:The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children. Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.[5] Although relatively rare, flu-related deaths in children occur every year. From 2004-2005 to 2018-2019, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 to 187 deaths. During the H1N1pandemic (April 15, 2009 to October 2, 2010), 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC. So far in this pandemic, deaths of children are less than in each of the last five flu seasons, with only 64.† Additionally, some children with certain underlying medical conditions, however, are at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19.
I know, I know...stop with the flu. I'll send a note to the CDC and tell them.
Quote:No studies are conclusive, but the available evidence provides reason to believe that in-person schooling is in the best interest of students, particularly in the context of appropriate mitigation measures similar to those implemented at essential workplaces.
Quote:Following the wave of school closures in March 2020 due to COVID-19, academic learning slowed for most children and stopped for some. A survey of 477 school districts by the University of Washington’s Center on Reinventing Public Education found that, “far too many schools are leaving learning to chance.”[13] Just one in three school districts expected teachers to provide instruction, track student engagement, or monitor academic progress for all students, and wealthy school districts were twice as likely to have such expectations compared to low-income districts.
Quote:The best available evidence from countries that have opened schools indicates that COVID-19 poses low risks to school-aged children, at least in areas with low community transmission, and suggests that children are unlikely to be major drivers of the spread of the virus. Reopening schools creates opportunity to invest in the education, well-being, and future of one of America’s greatest assets—our children—while taking every precaution to protect students, teachers, staff and all their families.
(07-24-2020 01:44 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Are there scientists who are saying we shouldn't open the schools? Most of the objections I've seen are from politicians and teacher unions.
I haven't dug in to see if they have. Some have listed restrictions or limited schhol day options. \ Some want to open and then pull back if kids get sick (seems silly bc the damage would have been done).
Johns Hopkins person said they should open schools on a limited basis with kids kept 6 feet apart and no common areas/extracurriculars, kids wearing masks. If you actually believe that is possible, then that is your right.
And it didn't take long (The Atlantic) to see cases of countries re-opening schools and then haveing to close. Israel, for example had 4 kids develop COVID which turned into heart problems. China shut down.
(07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't lost any school years.
I know you're being argumentative here. There is no chance you believe they didn't lose half the school year this year. Every student, parent, teacher, and administrator I know agrees that the school year effectively ended March 13th.
And, while it's nice to say, "You do what you gotta do," what should I tell the mom of the kid who is currently in the pool with my son? She's a single mom. Has to physically go to work, regardless of what the schools do (her job can figure it out, WalMart can figure it out, but apparently, teachers can't), and there is NO WAY she can afford to quit her job or send her son to private school. And, let me be clear, she isn't looking for a free babysitter. She is looking for the school district to educate her son. If he has to attend virtually, there is no way that is going to happen effectively.
They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention.
This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.
I was referring to my kids. Not how well your kids learned. Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?
Social interactions? You mean tik tok and facetime don't work?
(07-24-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 05:04 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]This is so disingenuous. “I’m not sure how I have control.” Here’s how: so long as you and others keep bending your knee to the Governor and waxing poetic about how great of a job he’s done with this, he’ll continue to believe it. He’ll keep on going with his power hungry actions, because you know, that’s really what hte people want anyway.
Frankly, I’m not worried about my kids. My wife is a licensed teacher. We have the resources to educate them just fine at home (or send them to private school, if we want). But, what about the families that don’t have the options I have (or your buddies have)? What are they supposed to do?
How would the Governor know that I believe he's done a good job? Should I send him some emails or something?
I agree that a large majority of kids (not all) will be fine. But, people keep glossing over teaching, custodians, school employees, etc. Are we not concerned with them? That is more important to me than the kids, who i think mostly will be fine.
If my kids had to miss 6 months of school, I think they would be fine. I don't think knowing what a carnivore will hurt them too much in the long run. Although what will likley happen is they will have 1-2 hours of school work on the computer. They will learn as much as they do in the classroom.
Nobody is glossing anything
1. Zero confirmed cases of teachers catching COVID from a student in the entire
world.
2. Why are teachers different than the millions of us who are going to work
everyday?
This is like talking in circles. Teaches can also spread it through each other, if you want to assume that kids cant spread (which is likely false; though it may be true they don't spread as easily). And I doubt we can trace every COVID case to the origin, it's just too difficult. I do know of the Arizona teacher that die after all 3 teachers in the classroom caught COVID. But, hey we know for 100% that a kid didn't give it to her so theres that! That makes everything better.
The millions of people that probably shouldn't be going to work everyday? That doesn't change my point.
Again, I don't really care if teachers are subjected to the same risk as everyone else in the country. They can opt out if they want to. My guess, and anecdotal experience, is that most teachers would like to get back into the classroom. It is not teacher's individually that are creating this problem, it is the Teachers' Unions.
How are you going to have school with teachers opting out?
(07-24-2020 02:40 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Let's go straight from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...hools.html
Quote:The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children. Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.[5] Although relatively rare, flu-related deaths in children occur every year. From 2004-2005 to 2018-2019, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 to 187 deaths. During the H1N1pandemic (April 15, 2009 to October 2, 2010), 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC. So far in this pandemic, deaths of children are less than in each of the last five flu seasons, with only 64.† Additionally, some children with certain underlying medical conditions, however, are at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19.
I know, I know...stop with the flu. I'll send a note to the CDC and tell them.
Quote:No studies are conclusive, but the available evidence provides reason to believe that in-person schooling is in the best interest of students, particularly in the context of appropriate mitigation measures similar to those implemented at essential workplaces.
Quote:Following the wave of school closures in March 2020 due to COVID-19, academic learning slowed for most children and stopped for some. A survey of 477 school districts by the University of Washington’s Center on Reinventing Public Education found that, “far too many schools are leaving learning to chance.”[13] Just one in three school districts expected teachers to provide instruction, track student engagement, or monitor academic progress for all students, and wealthy school districts were twice as likely to have such expectations compared to low-income districts.
Quote:The best available evidence from countries that have opened schools indicates that COVID-19 poses low risks to school-aged children, at least in areas with low community transmission, and suggests that children are unlikely to be major drivers of the spread of the virus. Reopening schools creates opportunity to invest in the education, well-being, and future of one of America’s greatest assets—our children—while taking every precaution to protect students, teachers, staff and all their families.
Are the schools gonna open with no adults in then?
(07-24-2020 02:40 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]And it didn't take long (The Atlantic) to see cases of countries re-opening schools and then haveing to close. Israel, for example had 4 kids develop COVID which turned into heart problems. China shut down.
I'd argue Israel over-reacted by closing the schools again:
Quote:"Statistics released Tuesday by the Education Ministry show that 407 Israelis within the education system have tested positive for the coronavirus and 21,877 are currently in preventative quarantine, out of over 2 million students and 200 thousand educators. Thus far, 139 educational institutions have closed after discovering cases, out of 5,200 schools and 200 thousand kindergartens."
(07-24-2020 02:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Are the schools gonna open with no adults in then?
Many teachers want to go back.
(07-24-2020 02:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]A bunch of countries reopened the schools (or in some cases, never closed them). Very, very few outbreaks. We don't shut the schools down during flu season, so why now?
https://freopp.org/reopening-americas-sc...b35e3e32c4
I believe a lot of those schools had restrictions on opening, I know I posted those earlier in the summer.
And how is Coronavirus impact other countries vs. us? We are in the mist of getting hammered by the virus with schools starting in 2-6 weeks.
Please stop with the flu vs. COVID. We are at around 4x the number of COVID deaths (and rising) than there are for the flu. People want to make that comparison but it still doesn't make any sense at all.
That chart is pretty clear and easy to read... and we have fewer deaths in children than a typical flu season. There are subsets of data, but I guess we are only allowed to focus on the one big number that you prefer.
(07-24-2020 02:30 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2020 02:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They were in school for 6 months and learning at home for 3 months. They didn't learn any less at home (heck, I'd argue they learned more) because it was 1 v 1 attention as opposed to 25 v 1 attention. And kids are in school from 8 to 3...including lunch...including recess...including art...including PE, etc. They can learn in 2 hours what it takes to learn in a full school day. (this coming from their teachers, FWIW).
To the single Mom, I feel bad for her. None of us can control that the virus hit our country so we have to make the best of our situations. Just hypotheticals here, but say single mom sends little johnny to school and because of school opens, the virus spreads through adults (just on the wild notion that kids CANT spread it). One (or a few) of the teachers pass away. Are we thinking about her and her family as well? Do they get consideration?
I will disagree with you on how much they learned in the virtual environment. I agree that the typical school day is not the most efficient, but I completely disagree that the Spring was a success. 1 of my 4 kids had a positive educational experience. From speaking with teachers and administrators, most are willing to concede that for most students, it was a disaster, with little learning done.
My wife is a teacher. Yes, of course, they get consideration. But, countless of other adults have figured out a way to go into their workplace and protect themselves. Why can't teachers?
Frankly, our school districts do not exist to keep teachers employed. They exist to educate our children. If teachers don't want to take the risk, I'm not going to judge them for that. They are welcome to resign. No hard feelings from me. But, if the CDC and scientific experts think schools should be open, let's do what we can to open the schools and educate our kids. The kids deserve that much.
In my experience the spring virtual learning was a disaster. Lack of communication between teachers and students (some better than others, but generally poor), unclear guidelines, and in the end they received either a pass or incomplete. But that was with this all being thrust on them with no planning. Now there is time to plan and they have already produced a proposed schedule with specific segments for interaction and group or individual learning. Also plans for “after school” or special assistance. I expect the experience to be much better than in the spring. I hope I am right. If people are expecting the same experience as the spring was and expect that to be for the entire year then I can understand their concern but I think they should expect better.