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(09-24-2020 01:25 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 01:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]At some point we have to move on. Now is the time to get to that, and this nearly unaffected population is a great place to start.

The "time to . . . start" would have better been during the summer months.

But teachers and other public-sector workers were too precious to subject themselves to the risks expected of everyone else. Professional know-it-alls were having way too much fun lecturing the rest of us on how we should all be ashamed of our substandard mask-wearing, social-distancing practices - - all the while ignoring the ongoing "mostly peaceful" protests. And Marxist apologists were quietly salivating over the destruction of our economy, with a scheming eye toward imposing centralized socialist policies upon a hobbled nation.

But I suppose those are small prices to pay for the theoretical glory of being able to claim that we've saved the lives of dozens.

We are at 200,000 lives lost for the record. Without measures in place, the safe estimates were several hundred thousands into a million or more.

Claiming they have saved dozens of lives is absurd.

I must run around with a different crowd (with masks on, obviously). I know of no one that has had their economic livelihood shattered. (Im sure they are out there somewhere) I know of some that have had their physical lives shattered due to Covid.

On the economy; https://www.marketwatch.com/story/feds-b...2020-09-24

(09-24-2020 01:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 01:25 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 01:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]At some point we have to move on. Now is the time to get to that, and this nearly unaffected population is a great place to start.

The "time to . . . start" would have better been during the summer months.

But teachers and other public-sector workers were too precious to subject themselves to the risks expected of everyone else. Professional know-it-alls were having way too much fun lecturing the rest of us on how we should all be ashamed of our substandard mask-wearing, social-distancing practices - - all the while ignoring the ongoing "mostly peaceful" protests. And Marxist apologists were quietly salivating over the destruction of our economy, with a scheming eye toward imposing centralized socialist policies upon a hobbled nation.

But I suppose those are small prices to pay for the theoretical glory of being able to claim that we've saved the lives of dozens.

We are at 200,000 lives lost for the record. Without measures in place, the safe estimates were several hundred thousands into a million or more.

Claiming they have saved dozens of lives is absurd.

I must run around with a different crowd (with masks on, obviously). I know of no one that has had their economic livelihood shattered. (Im sure they are out there somewhere) I know of some that have had their physical lives shattered due to Covid.

On the economy; https://www.marketwatch.com/story/feds-b...2020-09-24

It is good that the world remains rosy for you, Giles. As I am sure that it does for many others - - particularly those who never missed a paycheck. Yet I know that you are smart enough to realize that this does not mean that it is rosy everywhere.

Students at all levels have been set back immeasurably. Retail bankruptcies are at an all-time high. Landlords have been blocked from taking action action to evict tenants, despite months of missed rents. My own business remains in place, and my employees are all still with me, but only only at the cost of my retirement plan. Locality tax revenues are severely down, meaning either serious belt-tightening on the municipal level or (much more likely) serious tax increases.

I have no idea how many lives were saved by our absurd actions over the past 7 months, and my "dozens" comment was something of a cheap shot. But neither do you. And, at the end of the day, I am not the one pretending to have all the answers.

Skipping a paycheck is a different story than having your world crumble.

I also do not believre that students have been set back "immeasurably" by having 3 months of distance learning as opposed to in person learning. Of course, my only experience is me sitting with the kids for 6 hours a day following their schoolwork so Chesapeake may have the best virtual learning product in the country.

Real estate goes in cycles. Retail is getting hit hard now (primarily hospitality related). I really don't feel all that sorry for landlords that didn't get rent checks as they also received PPP and EIDL loans (like myself).

No, none of us have all the answers. You would have to be niave or a die hard Trump supporter to believe that lives were saved. Its common sense.

(09-24-2020 01:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 12:55 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 10:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 09:47 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 09:15 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I brought this over from the ODU Decision thread:


I honestly think I'm living in an alternate reality. I just don't get it. I posted the back-to-school data yesterday on my FB page, and I had people reading the data and saying, "It's scary. I mean it's like we're gambling with our children's lives. Is 1, 5,100, 1000 too many cases. Is it worth losing your child sending him or her back to school. I know we all want to get back to "normal" but at what price? Think about it. Look your child in the face and think to yourself, are you ready to gamble on their life? It's a hard question to answer. My children are grown but I have grandchildren still in school and I pray for them everynight. So what is the answer? Gamble or not to gamble schoolboard?"

Seriously, it'd be a bigger gamble for me to put my kids on the bus, fearing an accident, than it would for them to die of COVID. What happened to our sensibilities?

By "entire population" does he mean the entire US population? Because if so that's just plain wrong. Absurdly wrong. It's still not real clear what role children play in transmitting the disease, it's probably less common than adults but it's pretty clear that college age certainly can spread it and likely high schoolers as well. So when making public policy we have to look at the full picture. Your kids are mostly safe, that's true. But it's a freaking virus, it spreads to other people.

The entire population of college students that have tested positive since being back on campus.

That is not the entire population of college cases. It also matters how schools categorize them. I work for a college and we have 25 active or former cases that occurred on campus but over 100 that have hit the population of students that live in the neighborhoods around campus. Because they are off campus they are not counted in our camps numbers, but they contribute significantly to the spread of the virus both on and off campus. We can debate the numbers until we are blue in the face, but this virus is not going anywhere fast and it is going to be here and a problem until there is a viable vaccine so we all might as well get used to restrictions on our lives to assist in the mitigation and reduction of the spread. Pennsylvania has gone from one of the highest rates of infections to one of the lowest because, although we hate it, the leadership of the state has put in place firm restrictions and people have for the most part followed the rules.

Any hospitalizations? Any deaths?

A lot a viruses are here to stay. At some point we have to move on. Now is the time to get to that, and this nearly unaffected population is a great place to start.

They are hardly unaffected. Just heard on NPR this morning, the 20-35 age group is the largest single spreader of the virus and has driven the current spread of the virus in the south and the Midwest.

I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

Smudge, do you have kids?

(09-24-2020 02:53 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

The US already has some teachers and staff die from Covid-19. Glad kids haven't been as affected (at least in the short-term), but I'm sure that's still no solace to the parents whose children have died.

Of course it's tough to track down where they go it from, but that's why states need help from the Fed for better resources for contact tracing. That's been another of the long list of failures during the pandemic.

Anyways, I'll support politicians which keep schools shut down. I'd rather we not open hundreds of facilities where a deadly pathogen can stew and spread back into the community. Possible death or long-term health complications isn't a risk teachers signed up for and unless we want to pay them significantly more in hazard-pay, keep them teaching from a computer.

Do you understand that mental issues that kids are experiencing? It is real. It is a BIG problem.

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:53 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

The US already has some teachers and staff die from Covid-19. Glad kids haven't been as affected (at least in the short-term), but I'm sure that's still no solace to the parents whose children have died.

Of course it's tough to track down where they go it from, but that's why states need help from the Fed for better resources for contact tracing. That's been another of the long list of failures during the pandemic.

Anyways, I'll support politicians which keep schools shut down. I'd rather we not open hundreds of facilities where a deadly pathogen can stew and spread back into the community. Possible death or long-term health complications isn't a risk teachers signed up for and unless we want to pay them significantly more in hazard-pay, keep them teaching from a computer.

Do you understand that mental issues that kids are experiencing? It is real. It is a BIG problem.

This seems to be grasping at straws.

(09-24-2020 03:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:53 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

The US already has some teachers and staff die from Covid-19. Glad kids haven't been as affected (at least in the short-term), but I'm sure that's still no solace to the parents whose children have died.

Of course it's tough to track down where they go it from, but that's why states need help from the Fed for better resources for contact tracing. That's been another of the long list of failures during the pandemic.

Anyways, I'll support politicians which keep schools shut down. I'd rather we not open hundreds of facilities where a deadly pathogen can stew and spread back into the community. Possible death or long-term health complications isn't a risk teachers signed up for and unless we want to pay them significantly more in hazard-pay, keep them teaching from a computer.

Do you understand that mental issues that kids are experiencing? It is real. It is a BIG problem.

This seems to be grasping at straws.

Wow

(09-24-2020 03:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:53 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

The US already has some teachers and staff die from Covid-19. Glad kids haven't been as affected (at least in the short-term), but I'm sure that's still no solace to the parents whose children have died.

Of course it's tough to track down where they go it from, but that's why states need help from the Fed for better resources for contact tracing. That's been another of the long list of failures during the pandemic.

Anyways, I'll support politicians which keep schools shut down. I'd rather we not open hundreds of facilities where a deadly pathogen can stew and spread back into the community. Possible death or long-term health complications isn't a risk teachers signed up for and unless we want to pay them significantly more in hazard-pay, keep them teaching from a computer.

Do you understand that mental issues that kids are experiencing? It is real. It is a BIG problem.

This seems to be grasping at straws.

I think teachers should be paid more. Not necessarily in hazard pay, but general salary. I feel they have been underpaid for years. Which may be one reason why they feel they shouldn't have to risk themselves any further. Teachers are quitting at an alarming rate. Even mature tenured teachers. If they were paid more appropriately I don't think we would see as many opt out. Schools are trying to get students back in the classroom but they are delaying because they can't hire enough teachers to replace the ones that quit. If they could offer them more money I think some would come back.

(09-24-2020 03:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:53 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 02:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope people do consider that potential spreading to relatives, friends, anyone.

Kids and college age kids are likely fine. What if they were to spread to others?

The US already has some teachers and staff die from Covid-19. Glad kids haven't been as affected (at least in the short-term), but I'm sure that's still no solace to the parents whose children have died.

Of course it's tough to track down where they go it from, but that's why states need help from the Fed for better resources for contact tracing. That's been another of the long list of failures during the pandemic.

Anyways, I'll support politicians which keep schools shut down. I'd rather we not open hundreds of facilities where a deadly pathogen can stew and spread back into the community. Possible death or long-term health complications isn't a risk teachers signed up for and unless we want to pay them significantly more in hazard-pay, keep them teaching from a computer.

Do you understand that mental issues that kids are experiencing? It is real. It is a BIG problem.

This seems to be grasping at straws.

Giles, I know that your heart is in the right place. But you don't know this. And giving it such brush-off treatment is really cold.

The full tally of damage done to American society by our reaction (or, if you are me, unjustifiably stupid overreaction) to the virus is not going to fully known for several years. We are, however, already are seeing the start of the economic fallout, seeing an increased incidence of death from deferred treatments/hospitalizations for other illness and - - most tragically -- seeing an increased incidence of teen and young-adult suicides.

Is that a temporary blip? We can sure pray so. But neither you nor I know that. And if Coach or monarchblue or anyone else were so callous as to shrug off the deaths of others via covid you would rightfully think less of them.

It's a good post when one poster tells another to quit being a twatwaffle and no one is the wiser. Nicely done.

So, just to be triple sure, is it a good post when one poster tells another to quit being a twatwaffle and no one is the wiser?

Cmon man I deleted as quick as I could!

I just by wanted a chance to type the word “twatwaffle”

But for the annoying “l”, it can be typed entirely with your left hand own a qwerty keyboard.

(09-24-2020 05:21 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I just by wanted a chance to type the word “twatwaffle”

But for the annoying “l”, it can be typed entirely with your left hand own a qwerty keyboard.

Yep, that checks out. Had to confirm because, you know, I read it on the interwebs.

(09-24-2020 05:21 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I just by wanted a chance to type the word “twatwaffle”

But for the annoying “l”, it can be typed entirely with your left hand own a qwerty keyboard.

You crazy AM.

(09-24-2020 03:38 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]Having centralized spots open (schools) where the virus can easily spread back into the community and cause havoc on other investments is not something I want or will vote for. I get it sucks for children and parents and their concerns are noted, but the community's overall well-being comes first. Luckily, parents have an equal voice as myself.

I asked because it does help me understand your perspective. Wasn’t trying to imply you aren’t entitled to an opinion.

But, with that said, do you actually have any proof of this quoted part? I posted the article yesterday that shows thus far, it hasn’t been the case. At what point would you vote to reopen the schools? What’s the mark we have to hit?

My kid is struggling with the remote work and we're doing what we can. I can't sit with him for 6 hours straight a day. I'm home all day but I'm working remotely running a 400 person firm IT department and we went from 9 offices to 400 in March. While I am home and help as much as I can with the 3 month old and try and play friends with the 3 year old periodically during the day, my focus is spread between the 3 kids and 400 people who need their technology to work or we all lose our jobs. Getting up during meetings to help him understand something during class while my wife's changing the diaper or the 3 year old is screaming because she's bored and doesn't understand why she's so bored because we have done next to nothing in 6 months. And expecting the 8 year old to sit and focus with all that going on. And then sitting down after everyone is asleep to finally catch up on emails and knock things out until late at night. It's taken it's mental toll on us all. We REALLY locked down as a family in March while my wife was pregnant. Like total social isolation until July or so. We're an extremely social family so that was really tough. But, about August we finally started creeping out. The kids really struggled with all of that. The daughter next door and mine are like little bff's and they'd be at the fence and us parents literally pulling the girls away from each other because they wanted to play but their parents still had to go to work and me and my wife were staying home. The crying, I just want to play! And now recently we're comfortable with them playing and it was weird for them at first, you could tell. Thankfully she's 3 and won't really remember. Anyway I'm rambling now.

I appreciate people not responding to each others opinions in this thread with "you heartless monster!", or vice versa over the last few weeks. It's been a good thread to follow along.