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(10-15-2020 07:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

Take it for what’s it is worth but this article argues that Sweden has actually done a poor job.
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

(10-20-2020 02:04 PM)AimHigher Wrote: [ -> ]Sorta off typic but virus related. Has anyone used the school of dental hygiene care clinic on campus for a cleaning? My dentist is backed up until March of 2021 and I have called around looking for earlier appointments to no avail.

I have not but my dentist, LWSS Family Dentistry, has been pretty accommodating through this. It might be a two month wait but it sounds like it’s better than most.

(10-20-2020 09:02 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020 08:02 PM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]I live in FC; everyone I've spoken to, including parents, broadly supports the Union's demands. I've already signed the petition and written to the Board that schools stay closed for the health and safety of the overall community.

Of course, we're fortunate in that most parents here work in sectors which allow them to work-from-home and stay on top of their child's education. And the County has provided free laptops, wifi, lunches, and other provisions to families who are less fortunate.

Ultimately, it seems like most of the outrage is coming from those who don't pay taxes here. The Fairfax County education system is - by far - our most valuable investment (52.6% of taxes). There's no reason the Board should be risking the lives of that investment (aka. teachers, staff, children) and I'm glad they're beginning to feel heat from the Union, parents, and overall community.

And if they don't reverse course, they're simply making the next Board elections an easy decision for everyone.

Based on what data is it too dangerous for teachers to be in the schools and based on what data is it better for the students not to be in the schools?

The teachers' union answered that question very clearly. There are more than zero cases of COVID. That is their standard.

Could you imagine living in California, with a Governor who insists on telling you what you are allowed to do/not do for your Thanksgiving meal?

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCD...10-09.aspx

Who's up for some good news?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot...eath-rates

Can everybody go back to school yet?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/pu...s-students

(10-22-2020 09:06 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can everybody go back to school yet?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/pu...s-students

The Norfolk School Board put their ineptness on full display last night. I thought the plan proposed by the Superintendent 2 weeks ago would get a rubber stamp. Instead, they changed the criteria to be contingent on CDC metrics, which may never be met. Even if they are met, it will be at least February before my kids are back in school.

(10-22-2020 10:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 09:06 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can everybody go back to school yet?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/pu...s-students

The Norfolk School Board put their ineptness on full display last night. I thought the plan proposed by the Superintendent 2 weeks ago would get a rubber stamp. Instead, they changed the criteria to be contingent on CDC metrics, which may never be met. Even if they are met, it will be at least February before my kids are back in school.

Yep. It is really unfortunate. There is nobody advocating for the actual kids at this point. They may say this is about the safety of students, but study after study shows that school does not put kids at risk, and that COVID itself does not put kids at greater risk than the FLU. Our children's well being has been swallowed up by politics at this point.

(10-22-2020 10:38 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 10:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 09:06 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can everybody go back to school yet?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/pu...s-students

The Norfolk School Board put their ineptness on full display last night. I thought the plan proposed by the Superintendent 2 weeks ago would get a rubber stamp. Instead, they changed the criteria to be contingent on CDC metrics, which may never be met. Even if they are met, it will be at least February before my kids are back in school.

Yep. It is really unfortunate. There is nobody advocating for the actual kids at this point. They may say this is about the safety of students, but study after study shows that school does not put kids at risk, and that COVID itself does not put kids at greater risk than the FLU. Our children's well being has been swallowed up by politics at this point.

I hear parents say "well my kid is doing fine with virtual learning". Thats great, but mine is struggling. Some of the teachers are not very responsive and he is getting little feedback. They don't review tests and we don't see grades on assignments sometimes for weeks. Part of it is on my son and he knows it, but there needs to be better communication and it needs to get better now if we are going to continue down this path. Maybe our experience is not the norm for virtual learning, but I don't think that is the case.

(10-22-2020 11:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 10:38 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 10:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2020 09:06 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can everybody go back to school yet?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/pu...s-students

The Norfolk School Board put their ineptness on full display last night. I thought the plan proposed by the Superintendent 2 weeks ago would get a rubber stamp. Instead, they changed the criteria to be contingent on CDC metrics, which may never be met. Even if they are met, it will be at least February before my kids are back in school.

Yep. It is really unfortunate. There is nobody advocating for the actual kids at this point. They may say this is about the safety of students, but study after study shows that school does not put kids at risk, and that COVID itself does not put kids at greater risk than the FLU. Our children's well being has been swallowed up by politics at this point.

I hear parents say "well my kid is doing fine with virtual learning". Thats great, but mine is struggling. Some of the teachers are not very responsive and he is getting little feedback. They don't review tests and we don't see grades on assignments sometimes for weeks. Part of it is on my son and he knows it, but there needs to be better communication and it needs to get better now if we are going to continue down this path. Maybe our experience is not the norm for virtual learning, but I don't think that is the case.

Yeah, its tough in so many different ways. We are in VB and my sophomore is struggling quite a bit with the isolation. She is doing well on the academic side, but I am not sure how much they are teaching. This school year has seemed way too easy for her. She does no homework and no studying and is getting straight A's, which is great, but I am afraid of how far she may be behind when schools open and classes require effort again. Her classes are an hour and a half long, and she gets 30 minutes of instruction, at the most. Some teachers regularly teach for 15 minutes and then send them off to to online work. Its just not a good situation and the longer it goes on the more permanent the damage becomes.

(10-21-2020 08:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2020 07:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

Take it for what’s it is worth but this article argues that Sweden has actually done a poor job.
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

I just got to reading this and it’s a pretty damning article for Sweden. Children were forced to go to school in person and workers forced to go to work in person, even if they were mildly sick. Seems hard to believe. And not only did the government not endorse masks, but recommended against using them. As a result, workers were told they were not allowed to wear PPE. Seems a little overbearing and hard to believe but supposedly they have credible sources. I was rooting for Sweden because it seemed like they were a success story on the surface but it gets darker the deeper you dig. Although I didn’t really think their methods would work in the US, I was intrigued with how their their methods didn’t cause total collapse. Now I am sure it would not have worked here. Can you imagine people being accepting of companies forcing workers to NOT wear PPE?

Just a reminder of the fact that the policies our government are implementing have real consequences beyond (potentially) saving COVID lives.

"In many ways, the pandemic is a perfect example of ignoring the reality of tradeoffs. Lawmakers saw that by enforcing social distancing, they were (in theory) limiting the spread of the virus. What they didn’t see was the tradeoffs: lost social interaction that is crucial for humans, cancer screenings abandoned, jobs lost, AA meetings canceled, babies denied heart surgery, and so on."

https://fee.org/articles/suicides-up-nea...isolation/

(10-22-2020 02:55 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Just a reminder of the fact that the policies our government are implementing have real consequences beyond (potentially) saving COVID lives.

"In many ways, the pandemic is a perfect example of ignoring the reality of tradeoffs. Lawmakers saw that by enforcing social distancing, they were (in theory) limiting the spread of the virus. What they didn’t see was the tradeoffs: lost social interaction that is crucial for humans, cancer screenings abandoned, jobs lost, AA meetings canceled, babies denied heart surgery, and so on."

https://fee.org/articles/suicides-up-nea...isolation/

I don't think lawmakers are ignoring the tradeoffs. I hear people on both sides talking about all of the issues. The difference is lawmakers see the priorities for those tradeoffs differently. Instead of each accusing the other side of being ignorant, they should be discussing how they can come to a middle ground that minimizes the tradeoffs. If it wasn't so politicized in an election year you might see more cooperation. Both sides are saying they are relying on the science, but even the science is divided.

Interesting twist. This small business is closing. Not because they can't maintain business through COVID-19 restrictions, but voluntarily to take a stand against mask mandates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new...e-n1244319

(10-23-2020 10:31 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting twist. This small business is closing. Not because they can't maintain business through COVID-19 restrictions, but voluntarily to take a stand against mask mandates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new...e-n1244319

Good for him. Adults should be free to live their lives.

Honestly, I'm coaching two youth soccer teams right now. The organization rules for this season say that coaches are to wear masks, keep the kids six feet apart, sanitize the balls between use, blah, blah, blah.

I never really tried to keep the kids apart, and there is zero chance I was going to sanitize the equipment to their standard, but I was playing along and wearing the mask. Then, I realized that almost none of the coaches are wearing masks. The parents aren't wearing them, so I decided this week that I'm done wearing the mask now.

The moderator at the debate last night casually slipped in that "we'll be wearing masks into 2022." I don't see that happening. People might comply when they go to the grocery store, so they don't get harassed, but generally, I think people are starting to opt out of them.

(10-23-2020 10:54 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2020 10:31 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting twist. This small business is closing. Not because they can't maintain business through COVID-19 restrictions, but voluntarily to take a stand against mask mandates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new...e-n1244319

Good for him. Adults should be free to live their lives.

Honestly, I'm coaching two youth soccer teams right now. The organization rules for this season say that coaches are to wear masks, keep the kids six feet apart, sanitize the balls between use, blah, blah, blah.

I never really tried to keep the kids apart, and there is zero chance I was going to sanitize the equipment to their standard, but I was playing along and wearing the mask. Then, I realized that almost none of the coaches are wearing masks. The parents aren't wearing them, so I decided this week that I'm done wearing the mask now.

The moderator at the debate last night casually slipped in that "we'll be wearing masks into 2022." I don't see that happening. People might comply when they go to the grocery store, so they don't get harassed, but generally, I think people are starting to opt out of them.

I caught that also and it threw me a little because it was the first time I had heard that. You are right. No sane person likes to wear a mask. People will slowly push the limits until more and more situations become acceptable to go maskless. It will take a while but I think we will be mostly maskless by sometime next year. A vaccine would speed that up some.

Also, my kid plays for Beach FC and most of the parents don't wear masks but are social distancing. The kids don't wear masks but the coaches do. Not sure how you are supposed to distance the kids, its a contact sport. And the ball? C'mon, this isn't MLB. You can't throw the ball out if somebody touches it. I honestly didn't think they were going to play this fall, especially after VHSL postponed all fall seasons, and I was a little hesitant at first, but now I am glad they are.

Wisconsin study finds no increased risk of COVID through high school sports:

Quote:These findings suggest that participation in sports is not associated with an increased risk of COVID-19 among Wisconsin high school student-athletes. The total case rate and incidence rate reported by this statewide sample representing over 30,000 student-athletes are lower than those reported by the Wisconsin Department of Health Services for 14-17 year olds during the same time period. In fact, no specific sport had a statistically higher incidence rate than the background incidence among adolescents across the state during the same time period. Furthermore, while the number of schools utilizing virtual instruction was small, we identified no difference in COVID-19 incidence between student athletes from schools with in-person versus virtual instruction.

https://ortho.wisc.edu/wp-content/upload...ummary.pdf

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-s...y-12116494

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Maybe it's time we realize we can't really control the virus.

(10-29-2020 09:54 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe it's time we realize we can't really control the virus.

Yep. Smart people have been predicting and confirming this behavior since at least April.