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(07-24-2020 09:24 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?

If you're not willing to actually engage in rational conversation, why are you bothering? No need to be purposely obtuse.

Im speaking rationally. If parents take time, there are resources to help kids With 9th grade Courses. There are unlimited resources available that were not available when most of us were in school.
(07-24-2020 09:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?

Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.

Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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Seriously, we spend $15k per kid on education in this country, and now we're finding out that all we need is Google and a parent. Looking forward to my taxes decreasing. Someone needs to tell the teachers they can be replaced by a search engine. We're about to have a whole bunch of unemployed folks.

We are talking about a short period of time...until were can battle the coronavirus. How do parents homeschool that arent teachers?
(07-25-2020 05:45 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:50 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:26 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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Seriously, we spend $15k per kid on education in this country, and now we're finding out that all we need is Google and a parent. Looking forward to my taxes decreasing. Someone needs to tell the teachers they can be replaced by a search engine. We're about to have a whole bunch of unemployed folks.

Yeah poor choice of words from Giles.

Not every child learns the same way Giles...

For someone who typically can hold his own in any discussion, this latest from Giles is complete nonsense.

The only logic to it is what has become undeniably apparent: the lockdown rationale has less to do with legitimate concerns about individual and societal health and much more to do about political control.

It’s sickening - - in both the literal and figurative sense.

I think thats the easy argument. I dont agree with it so lets just say its a political argument.
(07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:10 PM)GotLabradors Wrote: [ -> ]There are no unions for teachers that have the power to negotiate contracts in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There are educators associations that can speak on behalf of teachers, but they hold zero power when it comes to decisions made by local school boards. Virtual learning this year will be much different from what was seen in the spring. Students will be held accountable for their work and their attendance. Liability is huge issue in all of this that no one seems to be discussing. It is unfortunate that the reaction to this new virus, which we know very little about, has become about more about politics than about science of the disease.
How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.

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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.

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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?

Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.

Or maybe I am more concerned with the health and safety of others as opposed to people that want to put them in danger? Im the one that is cruel cor being skeptical about sending people into a cesspool of germs in the middle of a pendemic none of us has ever seen? Ha

The cruel talk is nonsense. And you guys/gals find it appalling that someone asks parents to help their children with schoolwork? The online teaching is temporary but people act like teachers arent available to help students....(and if they arent, put some work in yourself.). People want to be unreasonable and act like kids are just in their own with no assistance. Thats comical. Kids will be monitored and have work to complete. If they dont, they will fail (and kids without technology are able to get paper/lunch). Sensationalism
(07-25-2020 06:30 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 06:21 AM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]When so many governors from both political parties are in agreement about the need for a lockdown, how can it be viewed as a political power grab?

Because both parties are after the same thing. Power.

Then how dos that work in a red state when the gov locks down? Wouldn't that hurt his party?

Besides, it is possible and a happy coincidence when doing the right thing also enhances your partys power.
Its just grasping at straws to push your viewpoint. No different than when people tried to claim masks were detrimental
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 02:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]This is BS. My freshman could not learn Chemistry and Agebra II & Trig through email, and she will likely not fair much better with Biophysics and Calculus in the upcoming school year. For elementary school children who have a parent who is able to spend the time with them, your statement may be true, but beyond that, there is no comparison. You also forget all of the important social interactions that these kids have lost, and the psychological effects as well.

Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?

Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.

Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?

Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.

Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.
I basically agree with you in principal, although I would lean toward a voucher system rather than just not paying taxes, because not everyone has the financial discipline to take that money they aren't paying in taxes and allocate it to education.

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(07-25-2020 10:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]How will students be held accountable if/when half of them don't participate? Not trolling, genuinely curious.

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Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.

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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?

Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.

Or maybe I am more concerned with the health and safety of others as opposed to people that want to put them in danger? Im the one that is cruel cor being skeptical about sending people into a cesspool of germs in the middle of a pendemic none of us has ever seen? Ha

The cruel talk is nonsense. And you guys/gals find it appalling that someone asks parents to help their children with schoolwork? The online teaching is temporary but people act like teachers arent available to help students....(and if they arent, put some work in yourself.). People want to be unreasonable and act like kids are just in their own with no assistance. Thats comical. Kids will be monitored and have work to complete. If they dont, they will fail (and kids without technology are able to get paper/lunch). Sensationalism
You are stuck in this mindset that COVID is the only thing in the world that effects people's health and wellness. Doctors, and basically all the experts have determined that not going to school is more detrimental to the wellbeing of children than COVID yet you still try to assert some sort of moral superiority in your position of fear. You aren't the reasonable one. You are just too fearful to accept reality.

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(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 02:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why couldn't your kids learn Chemistry and Alegebra II at home?

Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.

Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.
(07-25-2020 11:58 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 10:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 07:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 07:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Failing?
We'll see. I'm skeptical that they are going to fail all these kids.

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More to the point, why is that an acceptable response? Kids and parents (taxpaying or otherwise) bear all responsibility, and the salaried teachers bear none?

Giles, you are not a cruel person. I know that. But your disregard for the plight of others who are not as comfortably situated as you is borderline cruelty.

Or maybe I am more concerned with the health and safety of others as opposed to people that want to put them in danger? Im the one that is cruel cor being skeptical about sending people into a cesspool of germs in the middle of a pendemic none of us has ever seen? Ha

The cruel talk is nonsense. And you guys/gals find it appalling that someone asks parents to help their children with schoolwork? The online teaching is temporary but people act like teachers arent available to help students....(and if they arent, put some work in yourself.). People want to be unreasonable and act like kids are just in their own with no assistance. Thats comical. Kids will be monitored and have work to complete. If they dont, they will fail (and kids without technology are able to get paper/lunch). Sensationalism
You are stuck in this mindset that COVID is the only thing in the world that effects people's health and wellness. Doctors, and basically all the experts have determined that not going to school is more detrimental to the wellbeing of children than COVID yet you still try to assert some sort of moral superiority in your position of fear. You aren't the reasonable one. You are just too fearful to accept reality.

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Missing school for 2 semesters ( last spring, this fall)is nowhere as traumatic as dying from covid. People act like we talking about closing schools forever.Painful but necessary short term problem to mitigate a potentially much longer, more painful problem.
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 03:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Because she wasn't capable of teaching herself and there was basically no instruction or interaction with her teachers. Not sure if this was a serious question.

Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.
(07-25-2020 01:11 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Withgoogle and and parents, how could they not learn?
**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.

We are in Full agreement on this point.

Just as I assume we agree that teachers are the most essential component of this equation. They should be expected to perform to the highest standards of their profession, and be compensated accordingly.

Much like ambulances drivers and paramedics are expected to perform their duties, notwithstanding unavoidably close contact with sick and injured people, some of whom have dangerous conditions. Much like police are expected to respond to situations over which they often do not have control over what they may encounter. Much like sanitation workers are expected to deal with refuse, which by definition is unclean. Much like truckers are expected to keep our national supply chain functioning, despite having next to no ability to regulate what products they carry and what people they must interact with along the way.

Yet, among our vast spectrum of essential workers, it is only teachers who get to set qualifications on when, how and where they perform their essential service. Why is that okay?

I didn’t like, but understood, the “flatten the curve” dynamic. We are now well past that exceptional, and supposedly temporary, emergency period. Teachers are among the essential, and need to act like it.

And, yes, it is cruel in the extreme to put upon others, particularly upon children, the burdens of self-performing this essential gov’t task, or to bear the consequences of the unwillingness of some teachers to live up to their mission. The only factor that I can see that differentiates teachers from the rest our essential workers is a media that is eager to play violins for the teachers’ unions seeking to politically exploit this situation.
@Ever

If students don't complete the work assigned and pass the given assessments, they will fail. I have taught high school summer school classes online for the past 5 years. I have no problem failing a student who does not complete the work. I feel that I am more than fair with this by allowing kids to turn in work late and without penalty up until 48 hours before my grades are due for that grading period. I email/call/text both the students and the parent. All assignments are open and available 24/7 with online learning. If a student fails my class, it's because they put zero effort into doing the work assigned. I also don't beleive in extra credit. I have had administrators ask me to change a grade to make a parent happy. I tell them no. The student gets the grade they earn. I really don't care if a parent gets angry with me about it. In fact, it's not really a school year until a parent complains to my principal about me or threatens to go to the school board have me fired.
(07-25-2020 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:11 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2020 09:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]**** it. We don't even need schools. Let's just pack it up and give everyone all their tax dollars back. No more schools needed.

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I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.

We are in Full agreement on this point.

Just as I assume we agree that teachers are the most essential component of this equation. They should be expected to perform to the highest standards of their profession, and be compensated accordingly.

Much like ambulances drivers and paramedics are expected to perform their duties, notwithstanding unavoidably close contact with sick and injured people, some of whom have dangerous conditions. Much like police are expected to respond to situations over which they often do not have control over what they may encounter. Much like sanitation workers are expected to deal with refuse, which by definition is unclean. Much like truckers are expected to keep our national supply chain functioning, despite having next to no ability to regulate what products they carry and what people they must interact with along the way.

Yet, among our vast spectrum of essential workers, it is only teachers who get to set qualifications on when, how and where they perform their essential service. Why is that okay?

I didn’t like, but understood, the “flatten the curve” dynamic. We are now well past that exceptional, and supposedly temporary, emergency period. Teachers are among the essential, and need to act like it.

And, yes, it is cruel in the extreme to put upon others, particularly upon children, the burdens of self-performing this essential gov’t task, or to bear the consequences of the unwillingness of some teachers to live up to their mission. The only factor that I can see that differentiates teachers from the rest our essential workers is a media that is eager to play violins for the teachers’ unions seeking to politically exploit this situation.

Comparing teachers to police,medical personnel, sanitary workers are all false equivalancy. But let's not lose sight of the real problem here. It has very little to do with teachers. The problem has to do with unnecessary transmission from children to each other and to their parents and extended family.

By the way. If a police officer resigned because he/she felt their job to dangerous, would you be upset at them? So if a teacher resigns for the same reason, how would you feel?
(07-25-2020 03:45 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:11 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.

We are in Full agreement on this point.

Just as I assume we agree that teachers are the most essential component of this equation. They should be expected to perform to the highest standards of their profession, and be compensated accordingly.

Much like ambulances drivers and paramedics are expected to perform their duties, notwithstanding unavoidably close contact with sick and injured people, some of whom have dangerous conditions. Much like police are expected to respond to situations over which they often do not have control over what they may encounter. Much like sanitation workers are expected to deal with refuse, which by definition is unclean. Much like truckers are expected to keep our national supply chain functioning, despite having next to no ability to regulate what products they carry and what people they must interact with along the way.

Yet, among our vast spectrum of essential workers, it is only teachers who get to set qualifications on when, how and where they perform their essential service. Why is that okay?

I didn’t like, but understood, the “flatten the curve” dynamic. We are now well past that exceptional, and supposedly temporary, emergency period. Teachers are among the essential, and need to act like it.

And, yes, it is cruel in the extreme to put upon others, particularly upon children, the burdens of self-performing this essential gov’t task, or to bear the consequences of the unwillingness of some teachers to live up to their mission. The only factor that I can see that differentiates teachers from the rest our essential workers is a media that is eager to play violins for the teachers’ unions seeking to politically exploit this situation.

Comparing teachers to police,medical personnel, sanitary workers are all false equivalancy. But let's not lose sight of the real problem here. It has very little to do with teachers. The problem has to do with unnecessary transmission from children to each other and to their parents and extended family.

By the way. If a police officer resigned because he/she felt their job to dangerous, would you be upset at them? So if a teacher resigns for the same reason, how would you feel?

Just out of sheer curiosity, who here is actually a public school teacher besides myself?
(07-25-2020 03:45 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:11 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 11:31 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]I am all for not paying taxes for k-12 education.
I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to educate your children. They aren’t my responsibility.

The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.

We are in Full agreement on this point.

Just as I assume we agree that teachers are the most essential component of this equation. They should be expected to perform to the highest standards of their profession, and be compensated accordingly.

Much like ambulances drivers and paramedics are expected to perform their duties, notwithstanding unavoidably close contact with sick and injured people, some of whom have dangerous conditions. Much like police are expected to respond to situations over which they often do not have control over what they may encounter. Much like sanitation workers are expected to deal with refuse, which by definition is unclean. Much like truckers are expected to keep our national supply chain functioning, despite having next to no ability to regulate what products they carry and what people they must interact with along the way.

Yet, among our vast spectrum of essential workers, it is only teachers who get to set qualifications on when, how and where they perform their essential service. Why is that okay?

I didn’t like, but understood, the “flatten the curve” dynamic. We are now well past that exceptional, and supposedly temporary, emergency period. Teachers are among the essential, and need to act like it.

And, yes, it is cruel in the extreme to put upon others, particularly upon children, the burdens of self-performing this essential gov’t task, or to bear the consequences of the unwillingness of some teachers to live up to their mission. The only factor that I can see that differentiates teachers from the rest our essential workers is a media that is eager to play violins for the teachers’ unions seeking to politically exploit this situation.

Comparing teachers to police,medical personnel, sanitary workers are all false equivalancy. But let's not lose sight of the real problem here. It has very little to do with teachers. The problem has to do with unnecessary transmission from children to each other and to their parents and extended family.

By the way. If a police officer resigned because he/she felt their job to dangerous, would you be upset at them? So if a teacher resigns for the same reason, how would you feel?

I don't understand why that is a false equivalency. An essential worker is either essential or they are not. In my view, teachers are essential to the task of educating our children without qualification. In the view of the teachers' unions, it is only teachers' jobs that are essential, not the actual performance of those jobs.

I also disagree that in-school students are more effective vectors of the WuFlu than any other tasks that are currently underway - - grocery shopping, outdoor play, violent protests, and so on. But I am not a scientist or a other expert, and so you are free to disregard my viewpoint here.

I would have no problem at all with a teacher (or a cop) resigning if he or she is not up to the job. Prior to the shutdown, I regularly volunteered at local high schools and community colleges as a visiting instructor on good-credit practices. I really enjoyed doing it. But after 45 minutes, I am completely spent. I don't know how teachers manage to put in full days, 5 days per week. I could not do it, and wouldn't try.

Why would you assume that I would be upset with someone who resigns for the very understandable reason that he or she cannot fully perform? That sounds to me like completely responsible behavior.
(07-25-2020 03:56 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 03:45 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 01:11 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020 12:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]The goal is to have a more educated society leading to a more productive workforce and a stronger economy, which benefits every citizen.

If you have to point that out we're in trouble. That is a high school debate proposition. A rising tide lifts all boats.

We are in Full agreement on this point.

Just as I assume we agree that teachers are the most essential component of this equation. They should be expected to perform to the highest standards of their profession, and be compensated accordingly.

Much like ambulances drivers and paramedics are expected to perform their duties, notwithstanding unavoidably close contact with sick and injured people, some of whom have dangerous conditions. Much like police are expected to respond to situations over which they often do not have control over what they may encounter. Much like sanitation workers are expected to deal with refuse, which by definition is unclean. Much like truckers are expected to keep our national supply chain functioning, despite having next to no ability to regulate what products they carry and what people they must interact with along the way.

Yet, among our vast spectrum of essential workers, it is only teachers who get to set qualifications on when, how and where they perform their essential service. Why is that okay?

I didn’t like, but understood, the “flatten the curve” dynamic. We are now well past that exceptional, and supposedly temporary, emergency period. Teachers are among the essential, and need to act like it.

And, yes, it is cruel in the extreme to put upon others, particularly upon children, the burdens of self-performing this essential gov’t task, or to bear the consequences of the unwillingness of some teachers to live up to their mission. The only factor that I can see that differentiates teachers from the rest our essential workers is a media that is eager to play violins for the teachers’ unions seeking to politically exploit this situation.


Comparing teachers to police,medical personnel, sanitary workers are all false equivalancy. But let's not lose sight of the real problem here. It has very little to do with teachers. The problem has to do with unnecessary transmission from children to each other and to their parents and extended family.

By the way. If a police officer resigned because he/she felt their job to dangerous, would you be upset at them? So if a teacher resigns for the same reason, how would you feel?

I don't understand why that is a false equivalency. An essential worker is either essential or they are not. In my view, teachers are essential to the task of educating our children without qualification. In the view of the teachers' unions, it is only teachers' jobs that are essential, not the actual performance of those jobs.

I also disagree that in-school students are more effective vectors of the WuFlu than any other tasks that are currently underway - - grocery shopping, outdoor play, violent protests, and so on. But I am not a scientist or a other expert, and so you are free to disregard my viewpoint here.

I would have no problem at all with a teacher (or a cop) resigning if he or she is not up to the job. Prior to the shutdown, I regularly volunteered at local high schools and community colleges as a visiting instructor on good-credit practices. I really enjoyed doing it. But after 45 minutes, I am completely spent. I don't know how teachers manage to put in full days, 5 days per week. I could not do it, and wouldn't try.

Why would you assume that I would be upset with someone who resigns for the very understandable reason that he or she cannot fully perform? That sounds to me like completely responsible behavior.

Again, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, there are no teachers unions. Every time I see anyone refer to teachers unions in Virginia, I just assume they have no idea how education works in Virginia.
Pardon me. The VEA.

They are not a union much like an escort service is not a brothel.
More good news about T Cell immunity, and a clue as to why Asia Pacific faired so well this time around. (Hint: it has nothing to do with who their presidents are)

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-unco...opulation/

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