The response to the virus should not in the least be politcally motivated.
Our response was painfully late. No matter what Biden, Trump, or anyone else said prior to mid-march. The time to jump ahead of this thing was at the very latest January......when we all knew it was coming and that it was going to be really bad. If Biden wants to attact Trumps response, it will be an easy target. We are at 200k deaths for a virus that Trump was advised would be very bad but he decided to publically play it down.
I personally have no issues taking deep breaths through my mandated mask. While, Im fairly confident that I would be ok if I contracted the virus, my concern is for others that would not be. Just about anything that seems remotely intelligent suggests the use of maks helps. If it comes out in a year that I wasted my time wearing a mask for a few months.....guess what.....who cares?
Biden is a bumbling idiot so despite him being handed the election on a silver platter, he may not even capitalize on it.
(09-29-2020 03:35 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]There are countless reasons to dislike President Trump. He is an arrogant fraud, and unfit for the office he holds.
But - - back to the topic of this thread - - if your reason for supporting an otherwise unjustifiable lockdown is because the orange idiot supports it, then you have allowed him to take up residence inside of your head. And, worse, you have validated the claims of Trump supporters that Trump critics are all off the deep end. It is fantasy to suggest that Trump was somehow expected to be all-knowing on how best to deal with the virus. Or, even if he was, that an earlier lockdown would have made any difference.
Seriously, take a deep breath (assuming you can through your mandated mask). If you are rooting for Trump to be voted out of office, you really do not want to make a coronavirus lockdown the central issue of the election. He only has to point to the far less-helpful, and far more idiotic comments of Joe Biden and the Democrat leaders who were accusing the president of xenophobia for announcing an early China travel ban. You end up giving the president more credit than he deserves.
And worse, if your desire to get Trump out of office is what is driving you to support these insane lockdowns now that we are 7 months down the path, then inflicting harm on your fellow Americans just to gain a political edge is evil and cruel. I will presume that is not what is driving any of you on this topic.
Somebody tell AM he's allowed to leave his house now. We're no longer in lockdown.
It may be fantasy to have expected that but only because he is a poor leader. He was told in security briefings that the virus was worse than China was letting on. Very few politicians were denouncing his move as xenophobic. That's just been played up by the right. But that's near the entirety of his actions so I do lay a lot of blame on him for how bad the virus got and I lay the blame on him for encouraging his base to not take it seriously.
(09-29-2020 02:29 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]DeSantis did a round table with three Stanford med professors a few days ago. The entire thing is available on YouTube, but here is a good summary.
https://threader.app/thread/1309471981792886784
Thanks for posting. I would like to hear all 2 hours of it but I really don’t want to spend the time. Especially if it filled with words like “seroprevalence”. But I would like to know who is saying what, maybe include some quotes. Items 13 & 14 seem to contradict each other so I don’t think that is the same person talking. And I would like to know who said “1 in 4 young adults seriously considered suicide in June” and what that has to do with colleges. I’m hoping that there was something lost in paraphrasing there. Is there even a statistic for the number of young adults considering suicide? Maybe they mean number of kids in therapy, assuming “in therapy” = “considered suicide”. Maybe I will force myself to watch the video tonight.
(09-29-2020 03:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The response to the virus should not in the least be politcally motivated.
Our response was painfully late. No matter what Biden, Trump, or anyone else said prior to mid-march. The time to jump ahead of this thing was at the very latest January......when we all knew it was coming and that it was going to be really bad. If Biden wants to attact Trumps response, it will be an easy target. We are at 200k deaths for a virus that Trump was advised would be very bad but he decided to publically play it down.
I personally have no issues taking deep breaths through my mandated mask. While, Im fairly confident that I would be ok if I contracted the virus, my concern is for others that would not be. Just about anything that seems remotely intelligent suggests the use of maks helps. If it comes out in a year that I wasted my time wearing a mask for a few months.....guess what.....who cares?
Biden is a bumbling idiot so despite him being handed the election on a silver platter, he may not even capitalize on it.
Young people seriously consider suicide all year long, year after year. Thank greed and materialism for that.
(09-29-2020 03:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 03:35 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]There are countless reasons to dislike President Trump. He is an arrogant fraud, and unfit for the office he holds.
But - - back to the topic of this thread - - if your reason for supporting an otherwise unjustifiable lockdown is because the orange idiot supports it, then you have allowed him to take up residence inside of your head. And, worse, you have validated the claims of Trump supporters that Trump critics are all off the deep end. It is fantasy to suggest that Trump was somehow expected to be all-knowing on how best to deal with the virus. Or, even if he was, that an earlier lockdown would have made any difference.
Seriously, take a deep breath (assuming you can through your mandated mask). If you are rooting for Trump to be voted out of office, you really do not want to make a coronavirus lockdown the central issue of the election. He only has to point to the far less-helpful, and far more idiotic comments of Joe Biden and the Democrat leaders who were accusing the president of xenophobia for announcing an early China travel ban. You end up giving the president more credit than he deserves.
And worse, if your desire to get Trump out of office is what is driving you to support these insane lockdowns now that we are 7 months down the path, then inflicting harm on your fellow Americans just to gain a political edge is evil and cruel. I will presume that is not what is driving any of you on this topic.
Somebody tell AM he's allowed to leave his house now. We're no longer in lockdown.
I assure you, I am not the one who needs to be told. I come into work every day. I patronize the local restaurants at lunch that aren't putting me through the charade of ordering remotely and acting like a frightened lamb when I go to pick it up. I go to the grocery store at least once a week and sometimes more. I wear my mask where the proprietor requires it, but otherwise not at all.
And if a vaccine comes out, I will unhesitatingly take it. And then burn every one of my masks.
But you must have a very fortunate situation of you are not dealing with lockdown behavior:
=> I think that I recall that you have school-age kids, and are dealing with remote learning. That is lockdown.
=> If you are involved in anything that requires state or regulatory approval, good luck getting direct action. Your counterpart is presently at home in pajamas. That is lockdown.
=> If you have a loved one in a nursing home, you will need special dispensation to visit him or her. That is lockdown. (And this one, I fully concede, makes good sense.)
=> If you have a young adult planning a wedding, my guess is that you are advising him or her to put it off for a year or so. That is lockdown.
No, mturn, the lockdown most certainly is not over.
(09-29-2020 04:22 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]Young people seriously consider suicide all year long, year after year. Thank greed and materialism for that.
According to the CDC study, “Symptoms of anxiety disorder and depressive disorder increased considerably in the United States during April–June of 2020, compared with the same period in 2019.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
(09-29-2020 04:26 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 03:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 03:35 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]There are countless reasons to dislike President Trump. He is an arrogant fraud, and unfit for the office he holds.
But - - back to the topic of this thread - - if your reason for supporting an otherwise unjustifiable lockdown is because the orange idiot supports it, then you have allowed him to take up residence inside of your head. And, worse, you have validated the claims of Trump supporters that Trump critics are all off the deep end. It is fantasy to suggest that Trump was somehow expected to be all-knowing on how best to deal with the virus. Or, even if he was, that an earlier lockdown would have made any difference.
Seriously, take a deep breath (assuming you can through your mandated mask). If you are rooting for Trump to be voted out of office, you really do not want to make a coronavirus lockdown the central issue of the election. He only has to point to the far less-helpful, and far more idiotic comments of Joe Biden and the Democrat leaders who were accusing the president of xenophobia for announcing an early China travel ban. You end up giving the president more credit than he deserves.
And worse, if your desire to get Trump out of office is what is driving you to support these insane lockdowns now that we are 7 months down the path, then inflicting harm on your fellow Americans just to gain a political edge is evil and cruel. I will presume that is not what is driving any of you on this topic.
Somebody tell AM he's allowed to leave his house now. We're no longer in lockdown.
I assure you, I am not the one who needs to be told. I come into work every day. I patronize the local restaurants at lunch that aren't putting me through the charade of ordering remotely and acting like a frightened lamb when I go to pick it up. I go to the grocery store at least once a week and sometimes more. I wear my mask where the proprietor requires it, but otherwise not at all.
And if a vaccine comes out, I will unhesitatingly take it. And then burn every one of my masks.
But you must have a very fortunate situation of you are not dealing with lockdown behavior:
=> I think that I recall that you have school-age kids, and are dealing with remote learning. That is lockdown.
=> If you are involved in anything that requires state or regulatory approval, good luck getting direct action. Your counterpart is presently at home in pajamas. That is lockdown.
=> If you have a loved one in a nursing home, you will need special dispensation to visit him or her. That is lockdown. (And this one, I fully concede, makes good sense.)
=> If you have a young adult planning a wedding, my guess is that you are advising him or her to put it off for a year or so. That is lockdown.
No, mturn, the lockdown most certainly is not over.
AM, I hear you but what you are referring to is not a lockdown man. The term lock down is being used so loosely that its not even close to an actual lockdown. I got family and friends in Australia and India who said they couldn't even visit grocery stores outside a pre-defined perimeter and hours. I think Israel is also doing something close to that but not as stringent from what i heard. Here in GA we were able to do pretty much everything as an everyday consumer other than Movie theatres and kids have options to choose from face-to-face, remote and hybrid instruction. I can't honestly call that a lock down and at this point putting more stringent restrictions will not alleviate the problem but rather kill what ever life left in the economy further so the best we can all do with out making a bigger mess is wear the mask and maintain the social distancing. I understand you have bigger fish to fry than some one who has a day/night job earning salary working for someone else but if you are getting agitated at wearing a mask then i honestly don't know what to tell you if things go down the wrong path and we all have to be really locked down in our houses and basements.
(09-29-2020 02:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 01:57 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 01:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]https://news.yahoo.com/behind-white-hous...40579.html
Yeah if you havent noticed by now the witch hunt is fully underway and exactly what many of us Trump supporters expected. In the next few weeks, a whole TON of **** is going to be thrown at the wall to see what can stick. So far, aint no **** on that wall though...
The desperation to get Donny out is about to be on full display...
It's sticking well with the rest of us, in fact most people that pay attention knew of Trump's character going back to the 1980's. His supporter's are certainly not will to see it. You're right about that. I mean the GOP lead senate investigation into the Russia investigation concluded that Trump's campaign was in fact colluding with Russian operatives. But I'm sure you haven't heard or care about that. He's as crooked as the day is long.
"Colluding with" is a bit of a stretch from that report. I assume you are just as appalled at Hillary's "collusion" with Russian and other foreign operatives and Biden's, lets call them entanglements, with Russia, Ukraine, China, and bags of cash.
Frankly, I always assumed this kind of crap went on. If you had told me that Obama's campaign was talking to foreign actors to dig up dirt on Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have batted an eye. Well, at this point, it looks like my assumption was correct, as every single candidate in the last two elections has some dirty laundry around relations with foreign agents. Its ugly, but sadly, its not noteworthy for this kind of garbage to take place.
(09-29-2020 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:03 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 01:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]https://news.yahoo.com/behind-white-hous...40579.html
Thank goodness! The policy makers are standing up for us against the experts. That's what I'm talking about!
No, that's not what you're talking about. If you want policy makers to consider things other than what the experts at the CDC are saying then you don't applaud them for putting political pressure on the science agency to release statements contradictory to their findings. This is a political narrative steamrolling the independence of the agency. Telling all these scientist to get in line or get out. The very thing you've lamented. But this time it's the narrative you support. So?
This is the world we live in. Everyone is putting pressure on everyone, so everyone is involved in the brawl. So I am left in the position of saying if someone is fighting for me, then I am happy that they are doing it.
There is not such thing as "the independence of the agency". This is an Executive department that works for The President. It is their job to enact his policy, not to sabotage it. Where this nonsense that the Washington bureaucracy is an independent branch of Gov't comes from is pretty mystifying to me. They serve at the pleasure of The President. If they effectuate his policy and we don't like it, then we get to vote him out.
bull**** and bull****. Trump has taken this behavior of gaining political favor from foreign countries and eroding the independence of various government agencies to perverse levels. Keep cheerleading the lost faith in science and see where that gets us. It's pathetic.
Got it. You are blindly partisan and unwilling to hold candidates that you support to the same standard as those you dislike. At least you are transparent.
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(09-29-2020 06:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 01:57 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah if you havent noticed by now the witch hunt is fully underway and exactly what many of us Trump supporters expected. In the next few weeks, a whole TON of **** is going to be thrown at the wall to see what can stick. So far, aint no **** on that wall though...
The desperation to get Donny out is about to be on full display...
It's sticking well with the rest of us, in fact most people that pay attention knew of Trump's character going back to the 1980's. His supporter's are certainly not will to see it. You're right about that. I mean the GOP lead senate investigation into the Russia investigation concluded that Trump's campaign was in fact colluding with Russian operatives. But I'm sure you haven't heard or care about that. He's as crooked as the day is long.
"Colluding with" is a bit of a stretch from that report. I assume you are just as appalled at Hillary's "collusion" with Russian and other foreign operatives and Biden's, lets call them entanglements, with Russia, Ukraine, China, and bags of cash.
Frankly, I always assumed this kind of crap went on. If you had told me that Obama's campaign was talking to foreign actors to dig up dirt on Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have batted an eye. Well, at this point, it looks like my assumption was correct, as every single candidate in the last two elections has some dirty laundry around relations with foreign agents. Its ugly, but sadly, its not noteworthy for this kind of garbage to take place.
(09-29-2020 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:03 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Thank goodness! The policy makers are standing up for us against the experts. That's what I'm talking about!
No, that's not what you're talking about. If you want policy makers to consider things other than what the experts at the CDC are saying then you don't applaud them for putting political pressure on the science agency to release statements contradictory to their findings. This is a political narrative steamrolling the independence of the agency. Telling all these scientist to get in line or get out. The very thing you've lamented. But this time it's the narrative you support. So?
This is the world we live in. Everyone is putting pressure on everyone, so everyone is involved in the brawl. So I am left in the position of saying if someone is fighting for me, then I am happy that they are doing it.
There is not such thing as "the independence of the agency". This is an Executive department that works for The President. It is their job to enact his policy, not to sabotage it. Where this nonsense that the Washington bureaucracy is an independent branch of Gov't comes from is pretty mystifying to me. They serve at the pleasure of The President. If they effectuate his policy and we don't like it, then we get to vote him out.
bull**** and bull****. Trump has taken this behavior of gaining political favor from foreign countries and eroding the independence of various government agencies to perverse levels. Keep cheerleading the lost faith in science and see where that gets us. It's pathetic.
Got it. You are blindly partisan and unwilling to hold candidates that you support to the same standard as those you dislike. At least you are transparent.
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Then let’s compare and contrast. You named some Democrats, list their deeds and we’ll compare to Trump. Lay your cards on the table. I’m not accusing Bush of the same so it’s not a partisan issue. Trump is beyond the pale and it’s obvious.
(09-29-2020 08:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 06:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]It's sticking well with the rest of us, in fact most people that pay attention knew of Trump's character going back to the 1980's. His supporter's are certainly not will to see it. You're right about that. I mean the GOP lead senate investigation into the Russia investigation concluded that Trump's campaign was in fact colluding with Russian operatives. But I'm sure you haven't heard or care about that. He's as crooked as the day is long.
"Colluding with" is a bit of a stretch from that report. I assume you are just as appalled at Hillary's "collusion" with Russian and other foreign operatives and Biden's, lets call them entanglements, with Russia, Ukraine, China, and bags of cash.
Frankly, I always assumed this kind of crap went on. If you had told me that Obama's campaign was talking to foreign actors to dig up dirt on Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have batted an eye. Well, at this point, it looks like my assumption was correct, as every single candidate in the last two elections has some dirty laundry around relations with foreign agents. Its ugly, but sadly, its not noteworthy for this kind of garbage to take place.
(09-29-2020 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2020 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]No, that's not what you're talking about. If you want policy makers to consider things other than what the experts at the CDC are saying then you don't applaud them for putting political pressure on the science agency to release statements contradictory to their findings. This is a political narrative steamrolling the independence of the agency. Telling all these scientist to get in line or get out. The very thing you've lamented. But this time it's the narrative you support. So?
This is the world we live in. Everyone is putting pressure on everyone, so everyone is involved in the brawl. So I am left in the position of saying if someone is fighting for me, then I am happy that they are doing it.
There is not such thing as "the independence of the agency". This is an Executive department that works for The President. It is their job to enact his policy, not to sabotage it. Where this nonsense that the Washington bureaucracy is an independent branch of Gov't comes from is pretty mystifying to me. They serve at the pleasure of The President. If they effectuate his policy and we don't like it, then we get to vote him out.
bull**** and bull****. Trump has taken this behavior of gaining political favor from foreign countries and eroding the independence of various government agencies to perverse levels. Keep cheerleading the lost faith in science and see where that gets us. It's pathetic.
Got it. You are blindly partisan and unwilling to hold candidates that you support to the same standard as those you dislike. At least you are transparent.
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Then let’s compare and contrast. You named some Democrats, list their deeds and we’ll compare to Trump. Lay your cards on the table. I’m not accusing Bush of the same so it’s not a partisan issue. Trump is beyond the pale and it’s obvious.
I don’t think he is going to answer... Didn’t you hear trump tell him to “stand back and stay ready”
If y’all want to talk about Trump and Biden, y’all are in the wrong place. Keep it to covid opinions and articles or this thread will go bye bye.
I was thinking about the mental health toll this has taken on so many. Initially, I thought it was mostly affecting adults and young adults. Then, last night, it occurred to me that it's had a real effect on my 9-year-old son. Literally, beginning in late March, he's had irrational fears when going to bed at night. He never had this issue before, but he now literally lies in bed and thinks about every negative thing that could ever happen. When my wife asked him last night when he though this had all started, his response (totally unprompted since I wasn't even home) was "Probably around when quarantine started."
My kids don't watch the news. Heck, I don't even watch the news. But, my kids aren't stupid. They realize they now have to wear masks when in public and they want to know why. Despite our best efforts to help them understand the facts that they are not likely to get sick because of COVID, we, as a society, have now created a mechanism by which they are told they should fear this unseen virus.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm pissed off today.
(09-30-2020 09:29 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about the mental health toll this has taken on so many. Initially, I thought it was mostly affecting adults and young adults. Then, last night, it occurred to me that it's had a real effect on my 9-year-old son. Literally, beginning in late March, he's had irrational fears when going to bed at night. He never had this issue before, but he now literally lies in bed and thinks about every negative thing that could ever happen. When my wife asked him last night when he though this had all started, his response (totally unprompted since I wasn't even home) was "Probably around when quarantine started."
My kids don't watch the news. Heck, I don't even watch the news. But, my kids aren't stupid. They realize they now have to wear masks when in public and they want to know why. Despite our best efforts to help them understand the facts that they are not likely to get sick because of COVID, we, as a society, have now created a mechanism by which they are told they should fear this unseen virus.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm pissed off today.
I am not gonna delve into this deeper but that looks like a parenting 101 to me and you guys seems to have failed at explaining what a virus is and how it can affect anyone that gets in contact with it. Fear is rational and irrational on how someone perceives it and i would say most parents have to deal with this and with multiple things like bacteria, swimming pools, ghosts and Broccoli. Looks like the way you are perceiving this is kinda having impact on this situation that involves your kid so i would say being pissed off is the wrong reaction. Again i am not the best parent in the world but i would talk to my kid and explain her in the most understandable way what things are and how she has to deal with them when she encounters those. Just my 2 cents.
(09-30-2020 10:12 AM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2020 09:29 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about the mental health toll this has taken on so many. Initially, I thought it was mostly affecting adults and young adults. Then, last night, it occurred to me that it's had a real effect on my 9-year-old son. Literally, beginning in late March, he's had irrational fears when going to bed at night. He never had this issue before, but he now literally lies in bed and thinks about every negative thing that could ever happen. When my wife asked him last night when he though this had all started, his response (totally unprompted since I wasn't even home) was "Probably around when quarantine started."
My kids don't watch the news. Heck, I don't even watch the news. But, my kids aren't stupid. They realize they now have to wear masks when in public and they want to know why. Despite our best efforts to help them understand the facts that they are not likely to get sick because of COVID, we, as a society, have now created a mechanism by which they are told they should fear this unseen virus.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm pissed off today.
I am not gonna delve into this deeper but that looks like a parenting 101 to me and you guys seems to have failed at explaining what a virus is and how it can affect anyone that gets in contact with it. Fear is rational and irrational on how someone perceives it and i would say most parents have to deal with this and with multiple things like bacteria, swimming pools, ghosts and Broccoli. Looks like the way you are perceiving this is kinda having impact on this situation that involves your kid so i would say being pissed off is the wrong reaction. Again i am not the best parent in the world but i would talk to my kid and explain her in the most understandable way what things are and how she has to deal with them when she encounters those. Just my 2 cents.
Maybe could have approached this from a more positive perspective instead of telling someone they failed at something. You make cogent points about explaining that germs and viruses are everywhere and we come in contact with them daily. But not gonna lie, if this was directed as a response to me, I would be pissed off at you. We all have our opinions and I am sure we have all said things that pissed others off, but when it comes to our kids, our lives, and general well being, I think we need to be as supportive and positive as we can be. Just my 2 cents
So, the government mandates a mask for my kid, despite very little evidence that it's a threat to him, but my parenting is the problem. Thanks for your input.
Just thought I would share. Take it or leave it.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020...d8e34afdc8
Excerpt from the link above
"The New York Times surveyed over 1,600 U.S. colleges and universities, including every four-year public institution and every private college taking part in NCAA sports. It found at least 130,000 cases and at least 70 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. Most cases were announced since students returned to campus this fall. Most deaths took place in the spring and were among college employees."
“With no national tracking system, colleges are making their own rules for how to tally infections,” the Times story said. “While The Times’s survey is believed to be the most comprehensive account available, it is also a near-certain undercount.”
"The number of COVID-19 cases among traditionally college-aged adults has been rising in many parts of the country. From Aug. 2 to Sept. 5, weekly COVID-19 cases among 18- to 22-year-olds increased by 55 percent nationally, faster than testing rates increased during the period, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a report Tuesday. Increases were greatest in the Northeast and Midwest."
(09-30-2020 10:20 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2020 10:12 AM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2020 09:29 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about the mental health toll this has taken on so many. Initially, I thought it was mostly affecting adults and young adults. Then, last night, it occurred to me that it's had a real effect on my 9-year-old son. Literally, beginning in late March, he's had irrational fears when going to bed at night. He never had this issue before, but he now literally lies in bed and thinks about every negative thing that could ever happen. When my wife asked him last night when he though this had all started, his response (totally unprompted since I wasn't even home) was "Probably around when quarantine started."
My kids don't watch the news. Heck, I don't even watch the news. But, my kids aren't stupid. They realize they now have to wear masks when in public and they want to know why. Despite our best efforts to help them understand the facts that they are not likely to get sick because of COVID, we, as a society, have now created a mechanism by which they are told they should fear this unseen virus.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm pissed off today.
I am not gonna delve into this deeper but that looks like a parenting 101 to me and you guys seems to have failed at explaining what a virus is and how it can affect anyone that gets in contact with it. Fear is rational and irrational on how someone perceives it and i would say most parents have to deal with this and with multiple things like bacteria, swimming pools, ghosts and Broccoli. Looks like the way you are perceiving this is kinda having impact on this situation that involves your kid so i would say being pissed off is the wrong reaction. Again i am not the best parent in the world but i would talk to my kid and explain her in the most understandable way what things are and how she has to deal with them when she encounters those. Just my 2 cents.
Maybe could have approached this from a more positive perspective instead of telling someone they failed at something. You make cogent points about explaining that germs and viruses are everywhere and we come in contact with them daily. But not gonna lie, if this was directed as a response to me, I would be pissed off at you. We all have our opinions and I am sure we have all said things that pissed others off, but when it comes to our kids, our lives, and general well being, I think we need to be as supportive and positive as we can be. Just my 2 cents
I definitely understand how that can be taken negatively and to you Coach, my apologies if that came across wrong. I am not trying to pass judgements after all i have had lack of success when it comes to parenting so i am not gonna sit on a high horse and pass judgements at something i didn't do well but you get the context of what i am driving at.
IMO, telling someone, especially a child, they don't have anything to be afraid of is a mistake. Fear is natural. Telling them it's not ok to feel what they are feeling can damage their self esteem. If child says they are afraid, I want to ask them to elaborate, to tell me why they are afraid. Validate their feeling first, then process it in terms of probablilty, rationality etc.
created a mechanism by which they are told they should fear this unseen virus.
Thats strictly a point of view. You could just as easily say we've created a mechanism to help keep us safe. Kids are not afraid of vorus, they are simply picking up on their parents fear