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I wear a mask out of respect for the people who do think that wearing a mask when in public is vital, even though I don't necessarily think it is making difference in MOST settings. It is a compromise that I am willing to make in order to have things open, and make people who do not have the same outlook as me feel comfortable going out and shopping. At the end of the day, my greatest priority at this point is seeing the economy open back up and seeing businesses thrive. If everyone wearing a mask is what it takes for the maximum number of people to feel comfortable shopping, the I will happily wear a mask.

(05-08-2020 07:24 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a shame, wearing a facemask has become politicized. It helps in stopping the spread, what next to politicize handwashing. It's all about how much risk you willing to accept. Then you have others who see no risks or believe it's a hoax. The two don't don't mix, while we reopen.

I don't think it is politicized. A lot of my right wing friends are scared schitless as well. And a lot of my left wing friends post things like "stay the f home" on Facebook and then I see them playing soccer with 20 other people when I jog through the park. They don't live the way they tell others, but see virtue in telling others. I do think in general, it takes a certain mindset to live in fear and a certain worldview to want central control over everything, but it certainly isn't 100% along political lines. I think people need to focus on themselves and what is right for them and their families and stop trying to control everyone else.

This is the kind of stuff from the media that makes me, as an independent, almost want to support POTUS in his fight against them. This reporter needs to get a life.

I am thankful that our ice cream man wears gloves and a mask (though we don't buy anything from him).

I would not run to twitter to complain about the ice cream man with no gloves or mask but cmon dude, do you have any common sense? And anyone buying from him would lack common sense.

Short on news stories though....

The fact that this reporter has nothing better to do than harass the ice cream man tells me all I need to know about their "news" station. If you don't think he should be selling ice cream, don't buy it. It's as simple as that.

As for the common sense, you're right, maybe I don't have any. And, because I probably don't, I'll rely on science. The science seems to show that this virus is not transmitted by short casual encounters. It's transmitted through extended time together in close quarters. So, I'm not going to get in the truck and ride around the neighborhood with him, but maybe I'd buy a RocketPop from him.

I'm surprised we haven't seen the ice cream man around here. He usually comes by several times per day and there are way more kids out and about now than normal. Haven't seen him once this year. He is missing out.

(05-07-2020 06:51 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting data here, as well. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

So, since Feb. 1, here are the top causes of death according to the CDC:

Pneumonia: 71,451
COVID: 45,632
Pneumonia + COVID: 20.196
Flu: 6,000

What law is he breaking?

How is buying packaged ice cream from someone out of a freezer in a truck different from prepared food out of a food truck?

Sorry, but the report is beyond ridiculous.

(05-08-2020 09:45 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]What law is he breaking?

How is buying packaged ice cream from someone out of a freezer in a truck different from prepared food out of a food truck?

Sorry, but the report is beyond ridiculous.

Perhaps the neighborhood organization or civic league has rules against selling/soliciting within the area?

(05-08-2020 09:41 AM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand; isn't it the media's role (duty?) to warn the public about businesses breaking the law?

Even management at that community has an issue with it.

No, I don't think that is the media's job. If the community has a problem with it, they can take it up with the ice cream man. We certainly don't need all of suburban Chicago "calling 911" because a dude is selling ice cream. If this is considered newsworthy in any place in America, we really are living the good life.

Quote:Take away Covid-19 for a second, I also don't understand the argument for "If you don't think he should be selling ice cream, don't buy it. It's as simple as that."

We have all sorts of laws (food or otherwise) to protect the uninformed. Just because you don't know something and think it's fine, it doesn't mean you should get sick or die.

I'm not sure I understand your point. Who is being "protected" by this? Do you really think the mom or dad buying the ice cream from this guy aren't aware of COVID? See, I don't think you really are worried about the consumer being uninformed. You simply think you know better. And, therein, lies my issue. You make decisions for your family. I am not in a position to do so, nor do I want to be. But, stay out of my business. I can make my own big boy decisions. I don't need the government or some HOA doing it for me.

(05-08-2020 09:26 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that this reporter has nothing better to do than harass the ice cream man tells me all I need to know about their "news" station. If you don't think he should be selling ice cream, don't buy it. It's as simple as that.

As for the common sense, you're right, maybe I don't have any. And, because I probably don't, I'll rely on science. The science seems to show that this virus is not transmitted by short casual encounters. It's transmitted through extended time together in close quarters. So, I'm not going to get in the truck and ride around the neighborhood with him, but maybe I'd buy a RocketPop from him.

The "extended time" part of it doesn't make sense. The longer you are around someone, the higher chances you have getting the virus. But, all it takes is being close to a person that has the virus (sneak, speaking, coughing, etc.) And you can certainly pass it through the exchange of money/credit cards, etc. (though not as likely)

Whether is slight chance or higher chance, it really makes no sense to be in a service related industry and not take precautions. If they aren't willing to wear a mask and gloves, how serious to they take sanitation otherwise?

Again, I'm not interested in what "makes sense" to me. I'm an idiot. But, the science says things like, "While the infectious inoculum required for infection is unknown, these studies indicate that close & prolonged contact is required for #COVID19 transmission. The risk is highest in enclosed environments; household, long-term care facilities and public transport."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/12573...C7Csgrtmrc

As for how "serious" the ice cream man in about sanitation, I think you have a fair point. However, every consumer can make that decision for him or herself. In ordinary times, there are some places I would never eat, not even with your money. But, I don't think the government should come and shut them down. If the place isn't clean, people won't eat there. They'll go out of business. Or they won't, but it won't harm me either way.

As to Smudge's point, I guess he didn't really dispute the fact that he thinks he or the government or whomever should be the arbiter of what is good and what is bad information. Thank goodness we have smarter people than I to tell me what is good for me and my family.

As I read through these posts, I do think it's important to point out there is at least one thing on which we all agree, and that is that I'm an idiot without much common sense.

(05-07-2020 01:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]And when the situation is changing daily? You expect the legislature to take the lead on this? You expect them to draft legislation that will effectively guide us through this? That's not their role. If they felt he was overstepping then maybe they would step in but this is part of the role of the executive branch. This is how it's supposed to work. The entire idea of his powers in this is that they are temporary and there's zero reason to believe it won't be.

Temporary would have been two weeks. When he has prevented tens of thousands of Virginians from earning a living, he has overstepped his authority. Now, if he wanted to recommend a stay-at-home order for two months, and the legislature approved, that's fine. THAT is how it's supposed to work.

(05-08-2020 09:34 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 06:51 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting data here, as well. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

So, since Feb. 1, here are the top causes of death according to the CDC:

Pneumonia: 71,451
COVID: 45,632
Pneumonia + COVID: 20.196
Flu: 6,000

WTF? I knew flu as cause of death was down significantly, but I hadn't seen that number. That is crazy. They were saying this was going to be one of the worst Flu seasons on record before COVID. Now we are sitting at 10% of the expected number of deaths from a heavy flu season? Has COVID killed a bunch of people that were going to die from the flu anyway? How many flu deaths have been called COVID deaths? Is this just the result of social distancing? These are the reasons that some of us have no faith in our media. Aren't these the kinds of answers you would expect reporters to research? This has been going on for months, and almost nobody is asking where the flu deaths went.

(05-08-2020 10:34 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]And when the situation is changing daily? You expect the legislature to take the lead on this? You expect them to draft legislation that will effectively guide us through this? That's not their role. If they felt he was overstepping then maybe they would step in but this is part of the role of the executive branch. This is how it's supposed to work. The entire idea of his powers in this is that they are temporary and there's zero reason to believe it won't be.

Temporary would have been two weeks. When he has prevented tens of thousands of Virginians from earning a living, he has overstepped his authority. Now, if he wanted to recommend a stay-at-home order for two months, and the legislature approved, that's fine. THAT is how it's supposed to work.

(05-08-2020 09:34 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 06:51 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting data here, as well. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

So, since Feb. 1, here are the top causes of death according to the CDC:

Pneumonia: 71,451
COVID: 45,632
Pneumonia + COVID: 20.196
Flu: 6,000

WTF? I knew flu as cause of death was down significantly, but I hadn't seen that number. That is crazy. They were saying this was going to be one of the worst Flu seasons on record before COVID. Now we are sitting at 10% of the expected number of deaths from a heavy flu season? Has COVID killed a bunch of people that were going to die from the flu anyway? How many flu deaths have been called COVID deaths? Is this just the result of social distancing? These are the reasons that some of us have no faith in our media. Aren't these the kinds of answers you would expect reporters to research? This has been going on for months, and almost nobody is asking where the flu deaths went.

They say that every year. It sells shots.

(05-08-2020 11:12 AM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2020 10:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]They say that every year. It sells shots.

2019-2020 was the second worst flu season in the last decade:



Also if less people get shots, the flu season gets worse. We diminish herd immunity, especially for the vulnerable who can't get shots.

There is no evidence of this. In fact, casualty rates have been relatively flat since the shot was developed and gained traction.

(05-08-2020 10:34 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]And when the situation is changing daily? You expect the legislature to take the lead on this? You expect them to draft legislation that will effectively guide us through this? That's not their role. If they felt he was overstepping then maybe they would step in but this is part of the role of the executive branch. This is how it's supposed to work. The entire idea of his powers in this is that they are temporary and there's zero reason to believe it won't be.

Temporary would have been two weeks. When he has prevented tens of thousands of Virginians from earning a living, he has overstepped his authority. Now, if he wanted to recommend a stay-at-home order for two months, and the legislature approved, that's fine. THAT is how it's supposed to work.

(05-08-2020 09:34 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 06:51 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting data here, as well. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

So, since Feb. 1, here are the top causes of death according to the CDC:

Pneumonia: 71,451
COVID: 45,632
Pneumonia + COVID: 20.196
Flu: 6,000

WTF? I knew flu as cause of death was down significantly, but I hadn't seen that number. That is crazy. They were saying this was going to be one of the worst Flu seasons on record before COVID. Now we are sitting at 10% of the expected number of deaths from a heavy flu season? Has COVID killed a bunch of people that were going to die from the flu anyway? How many flu deaths have been called COVID deaths? Is this just the result of social distancing? These are the reasons that some of us have no faith in our media. Aren't these the kinds of answers you would expect reporters to research? This has been going on for months, and almost nobody is asking where the flu deaths went.

This is a case of you misunderstanding what you're looking at.

(05-08-2020 11:26 AM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2020 11:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2020 11:12 AM)smudge12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2020 10:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]They say that every year. It sells shots.

2019-2020 was the second worst flu season in the last decade:



Also if less people get shots, the flu season gets worse. We diminish herd immunity, especially for the vulnerable who can't get shots.

There is no evidence of this. In fact, casualty rates have been relatively flat since the shot was developed and gained traction.

You can extrapolate a bit of the evidence in that graph. The antivaxx movement took off around 2014, and the amount of people who got vaccinated declined every year until 2018-2019 where it got back to the 2014 level (no data for this year yet).

Of course there's more to it than that (ie. how effective was each year's vaccine), but there is a clear delineation between 2009-2013 and 2014+ (5 worst seasons are all post-2014).

2014 was also the year the US had a measles outbreak.

IDK, CDC rates look pretty flat through that period.



I'd really like to see it going back all the way to the 70s when the flu shot gained popularity, but can't find anything reliable. Best I can find is this, granted it is one state, but doesn't seem to show any effectiveness, assuming flu shot rates have been increasing throughout. In fact, death rates are at the same level as they were in the 40s.



Maybe the flu shot saves lives... perhaps the flu is worse now or some other reason. I just have never seen any evidence of that assertion.

(05-08-2020 11:20 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-08-2020 10:34 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 01:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]And when the situation is changing daily? You expect the legislature to take the lead on this? You expect them to draft legislation that will effectively guide us through this? That's not their role. If they felt he was overstepping then maybe they would step in but this is part of the role of the executive branch. This is how it's supposed to work. The entire idea of his powers in this is that they are temporary and there's zero reason to believe it won't be.

Temporary would have been two weeks. When he has prevented tens of thousands of Virginians from earning a living, he has overstepped his authority. Now, if he wanted to recommend a stay-at-home order for two months, and the legislature approved, that's fine. THAT is how it's supposed to work.

(05-08-2020 09:34 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2020 06:51 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting data here, as well. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

So, since Feb. 1, here are the top causes of death according to the CDC:

Pneumonia: 71,451
COVID: 45,632
Pneumonia + COVID: 20.196
Flu: 6,000

WTF? I knew flu as cause of death was down significantly, but I hadn't seen that number. That is crazy. They were saying this was going to be one of the worst Flu seasons on record before COVID. Now we are sitting at 10% of the expected number of deaths from a heavy flu season? Has COVID killed a bunch of people that were going to die from the flu anyway? How many flu deaths have been called COVID deaths? Is this just the result of social distancing? These are the reasons that some of us have no faith in our media. Aren't these the kinds of answers you would expect reporters to research? This has been going on for months, and almost nobody is asking where the flu deaths went.

This is a case of you misunderstanding what you're looking at.

Is it? That is a pretty precipitous drop in a short period of time?

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I honestly had no idea there were so many pneumonia deaths. But, it does make me curious as to how many of those “pneumonia + COVID” patients would have died even if they hadn’t gotten COVID.