(07-15-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 11:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 10:49 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Listen to the experts:
https://aapsonline.org/aaps-suggests-dif...-19-surge/
Why are all of your "experts" conservative advocacy groups? Please research them before calling them experts. Just because you have physiciants in your named group does not mean you are an expert.
The AAPS is an ultra conservative advocacy group led by some dude in Arizona (Check the go daddy source). THis group advocates scientifically discredited hypothesis. Somehow they believe HIV does not cause aids. They think aborption causes breast cancer. They think being gay lowers your life expectancy.
They also believe in vaccines causing autism. They are right wing conspiracy nuts.
One of the other "experts" posted on here information from the American College of Pediatricians so I looked them up. They are also a conservative advocacy group. Their focus it advocating against aborption. They also advocate conversion therapy.
There are right wing nuts all over the world (and left wing nuts for that matter). There are some that are doctors on both sides of the fence. But, stop saying "listen to the experts" and posting comments from advocacy groups.
Gotcha. We only listen to YOUR experts. You seem to have failed to find a reason to dismiss these guys:
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...n-schools/
I think we should listen to doctors that actually are practicing rather than career bureaucrats who specialize in garnering government funding for their department and haven't seen a patient in 30 years.
NOw, this is a group Im willing to listen to based on what I've read about them. They don't appear to be an advocacy group. However, they are not epidemiologists, they are pedetricians.
Im not sure its possible to pull off. Can you fit 25 kids into a classroom with each student spread 3 feet apart (as opposed to the recommended 6 feet)?
Either way, are you willing to send your kid to school because a right wing advocacy group wrote a document? Or would you rather listen to virologists or epidemiologists?
P.S. hospitals reporting to the White House is a terrible idea. What in the actual F?
I am willing to send my kid to school because basically every piece of actual data and research indicates that there is more chance for harm for them if they don't go to school than if they do. You have not shown one shred of evidence that it is unsafe for kids to go to school, you just refuse to accept the evidence that does exist and somehow turn that into, well it just isn't safe. The fact that you do not believe the data does not indicate that the data is wrong.
First bold....like what? Im asking for actual data like you stated. A right wing nutjob document doesn't count.
Ive pointed it out several times.
-Are kids immune to the virus?
-Will school employees be at risk if schools re-open?
-Are social distancing measures (masks; at least 3, maybe 6 feet apart) possible for children?
-If children and/or adults contract the virus, does there appear to be no long term affects due to the virus?
Try to answer yes to any of those questions.
(07-15-2020 02:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:05 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Our experts are correct. Your experts disagree with our experts hence they are stupid and incorrect. It is to laugh!
The problem is using the term experts.
So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
But, they aren't experts. Thats the point. They are an advocacy group that are pushing their agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associatio...d_Surgeons
If you have 3rd party experts, we should all listen.
Everyone pushes their own agenda. And citing Wikipedia does not strengthen your position.
Lol, you haven't refuted anything from that group.
Do you believe in their conspiracy theories?
(07-15-2020 02:43 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:25 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:13 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 10:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 09:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]So teachers aren't essential. Millions of people have gone back to work in this country, but the job teachers do just isn't important enough to endure the same expectations as the rest of us? Let's just be honest. This is largely political as far as the unions driving this narrative are concerned. The LA Teachers' Union is demanding such important COVID mitigating conditions as increased taxes on the rich and defunding the police before they will return to the classroom.
It is 100% political. The zombie-like brainwashed repetition of the talking points is downright scary. The outright cheering for the virus is sick. Haven't seen anything this disgusting since they were cheering for the death tracker in Iraq. The question is do they actually believe this crap or is it conscious information warfare.
It's clear we are fundamentally in opposite worlds. I believe you apply the tone you think is appropriate, which is completely different from mine. Is the virus an opportunity? Hell Yes. trump has failed so miserably at handling this that it plays right into the Dems hands.There is no glee or cheering about this virus. That is a level of cynicism I find disgusting. Of course, given your avatar, what would anyone expect?
You have claimed that the President has handled this incredibly poorly a number of times without pointing out how he was uniquely bad in his handling. What specifically would you say he did UNIQUELY poorly, meaning not the same crappy things that basically everyone else in the world did?
Sorry, not biting. No need to restate the obvious, only for you to say it's not true. If you don't want to see and acknowledge what is fundamentally self evident, we can't really have a meaningful conversation.
I am completely unsurprised by that answer. Its a fact! Not even up for debate! Anyone who disagrees with me is incapable of rational thought! This, unfortunately is exactly what is wrong with the state of politics in this country.
(07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:15 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is using the term experts.
So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
You should understand. trump has set the template for this with Fauci and many others of his cabinet who he originally praised, only to throw under the bus when they disagreed with him.
Fauci has been a disaster from day one. The dude flip flops, sometimes multiple times per week, on what we should be doing. He has been wrong on everything, then right, then wrong again. He cannot be trusted as the leading voice on policy related to COVID.
gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
(07-15-2020 03:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 11:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why are all of your "experts" conservative advocacy groups? Please research them before calling them experts. Just because you have physiciants in your named group does not mean you are an expert.
The AAPS is an ultra conservative advocacy group led by some dude in Arizona (Check the go daddy source). THis group advocates scientifically discredited hypothesis. Somehow they believe HIV does not cause aids. They think aborption causes breast cancer. They think being gay lowers your life expectancy.
They also believe in vaccines causing autism. They are right wing conspiracy nuts.
One of the other "experts" posted on here information from the American College of Pediatricians so I looked them up. They are also a conservative advocacy group. Their focus it advocating against aborption. They also advocate conversion therapy.
There are right wing nuts all over the world (and left wing nuts for that matter). There are some that are doctors on both sides of the fence. But, stop saying "listen to the experts" and posting comments from advocacy groups.
Gotcha. We only listen to YOUR experts. You seem to have failed to find a reason to dismiss these guys:
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...n-schools/
I think we should listen to doctors that actually are practicing rather than career bureaucrats who specialize in garnering government funding for their department and haven't seen a patient in 30 years.
NOw, this is a group Im willing to listen to based on what I've read about them. They don't appear to be an advocacy group. However, they are not epidemiologists, they are pedetricians.
Im not sure its possible to pull off. Can you fit 25 kids into a classroom with each student spread 3 feet apart (as opposed to the recommended 6 feet)?
Either way, are you willing to send your kid to school because a right wing advocacy group wrote a document? Or would you rather listen to virologists or epidemiologists?
P.S. hospitals reporting to the White House is a terrible idea. What in the actual F?
I am willing to send my kid to school because basically every piece of actual data and research indicates that there is more chance for harm for them if they don't go to school than if they do. You have not shown one shred of evidence that it is unsafe for kids to go to school, you just refuse to accept the evidence that does exist and somehow turn that into, well it just isn't safe. The fact that you do not believe the data does not indicate that the data is wrong.
First bold....like what? Im asking for actual data like you stated. A right wing nutjob document doesn't count.
Ive pointed it out several times.
-Are kids immune to the virus?
-Will school employees be at risk if schools re-open?
-Are social distancing measures (masks; at least 3, maybe 6 feet apart) possible for children?
-If children and/or adults contract the virus, does there appear to be no long term affects due to the virus?
Try to answer yes to any of those questions.
Those are questions. You have also been pointed to the American Academy of Pediatrics multiple times. I posted an article a few days ago that was full of all the data you could wish for, then, of course, there are the studies that have been conducted throughout the world that have failed to find a single outbreak that was started by children. There are the death rates that show us that flu is as deadly or less deadly in children depending on age. All of these are facts. You respond with a bunch of questions. Questions that are mostly answered by the facts that you refuse to accept, none of which originated in the one document (wasn't even a study) you found to be from a suspect source.
(07-15-2020 03:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:15 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
You should understand. trump has set the template for this with Fauci and many others of his cabinet who he originally praised, only to throw under the bus when they disagreed with him.
Fauci has been a disaster from day one. The dude flip flops, sometimes multiple times per week, on what we should be doing. He has been wrong on everything, then right, then wrong again. He cannot be trusted as the leading voice on policy related to COVID.
gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
I disagree. Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by his ego.
(07-15-2020 03:38 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Gotcha. We only listen to YOUR experts. You seem to have failed to find a reason to dismiss these guys:
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...n-schools/
I think we should listen to doctors that actually are practicing rather than career bureaucrats who specialize in garnering government funding for their department and haven't seen a patient in 30 years.
NOw, this is a group Im willing to listen to based on what I've read about them. They don't appear to be an advocacy group. However, they are not epidemiologists, they are pedetricians.
Im not sure its possible to pull off. Can you fit 25 kids into a classroom with each student spread 3 feet apart (as opposed to the recommended 6 feet)?
Either way, are you willing to send your kid to school because a right wing advocacy group wrote a document? Or would you rather listen to virologists or epidemiologists?
P.S. hospitals reporting to the White House is a terrible idea. What in the actual F?
I am willing to send my kid to school because basically every piece of actual data and research indicates that there is more chance for harm for them if they don't go to school than if they do. You have not shown one shred of evidence that it is unsafe for kids to go to school, you just refuse to accept the evidence that does exist and somehow turn that into, well it just isn't safe. The fact that you do not believe the data does not indicate that the data is wrong.
First bold....like what? Im asking for actual data like you stated. A right wing nutjob document doesn't count.
Ive pointed it out several times.
-Are kids immune to the virus?
-Will school employees be at risk if schools re-open?
-Are social distancing measures (masks; at least 3, maybe 6 feet apart) possible for children?
-If children and/or adults contract the virus, does there appear to be no long term affects due to the virus?
Try to answer yes to any of those questions.
Those are questions. You have also been pointed to the American Academy of Pediatrics multiple times. I posted an article a few days ago that was full of all the data you could wish for, then, of course, there are the studies that have been conducted throughout the world that have failed to find a single outbreak that was started by children. There are the death rates that show us that flu is as deadly or less deadly in children depending on age. All of these are facts. You respond with a bunch of questions. Questions that are mostly answered by the facts that you refuse to accept, none of which originated in the one document (wasn't even a study) you found to be from a suspect source.
Sorry, if you want to post stuff from American Academy of Pediatrics, I will search for some left wing nutjobs to counter that. Does that serve any purpose?
Whether an "outbreak" is started by children or not really means nothing.
Kids appear to not be as much of spreaders as adults but they certainly still are spreaders.
Are we going to have schools that do not have adults in them? All I keep hearing is kids, but I don't hear any consideration for the adults in the schools.
(07-15-2020 03:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 11:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why are all of your "experts" conservative advocacy groups? Please research them before calling them experts. Just because you have physiciants in your named group does not mean you are an expert.
The AAPS is an ultra conservative advocacy group led by some dude in Arizona (Check the go daddy source). THis group advocates scientifically discredited hypothesis. Somehow they believe HIV does not cause aids. They think aborption causes breast cancer. They think being gay lowers your life expectancy.
They also believe in vaccines causing autism. They are right wing conspiracy nuts.
One of the other "experts" posted on here information from the American College of Pediatricians so I looked them up. They are also a conservative advocacy group. Their focus it advocating against aborption. They also advocate conversion therapy.
There are right wing nuts all over the world (and left wing nuts for that matter). There are some that are doctors on both sides of the fence. But, stop saying "listen to the experts" and posting comments from advocacy groups.
Gotcha. We only listen to YOUR experts. You seem to have failed to find a reason to dismiss these guys:
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...n-schools/
I think we should listen to doctors that actually are practicing rather than career bureaucrats who specialize in garnering government funding for their department and haven't seen a patient in 30 years.
NOw, this is a group Im willing to listen to based on what I've read about them. They don't appear to be an advocacy group. However, they are not epidemiologists, they are pedetricians.
Im not sure its possible to pull off. Can you fit 25 kids into a classroom with each student spread 3 feet apart (as opposed to the recommended 6 feet)?
Either way, are you willing to send your kid to school because a right wing advocacy group wrote a document? Or would you rather listen to virologists or epidemiologists?
P.S. hospitals reporting to the White House is a terrible idea. What in the actual F?
I am willing to send my kid to school because basically every piece of actual data and research indicates that there is more chance for harm for them if they don't go to school than if they do. You have not shown one shred of evidence that it is unsafe for kids to go to school, you just refuse to accept the evidence that does exist and somehow turn that into, well it just isn't safe. The fact that you do not believe the data does not indicate that the data is wrong.
First bold....like what? Im asking for actual data like you stated. A right wing nutjob document doesn't count.
Ive pointed it out several times.
-Are kids immune to the virus?
-Will school employees be at risk if schools re-open?
-Are social distancing measures (masks; at least 3, maybe 6 feet apart) possible for children?
-If children and/or adults contract the virus, does there appear to be no long term affects due to the virus?
Try to answer yes to any of those questions.
Here are some more facts for you.
From WSJ (Behind a paywall):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-case-fo...1594681985
Quote:According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 30 children under age 15 have died from Covid-19. In a typical year 190 children die of the flu, 436 from suicide, 625 from homicide, and 4,114 from unintentional deaths such as drowning...
... In Sweden, which kept schools open, only 20 children under age 19—0.6% of confirmed cases—have been admitted to the ICU and only one has died...
...a recent retrospective study of schools in Northern France, from February before lockdowns, found that “despite three introductions of the virus into three primary schools, there appears to have been no further transmission of the virus to other pupils or teaching and non-teaching staff of the schools...
...Teens appear to be more infectious. Yet schools that have reopened in most countries, including Germany, Singapore, Norway, Denmark and Finland, haven’t experienced outbreaks.
(07-15-2020 03:39 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:15 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]You should understand. trump has set the template for this with Fauci and many others of his cabinet who he originally praised, only to throw under the bus when they disagreed with him.
Fauci has been a disaster from day one. The dude flip flops, sometimes multiple times per week, on what we should be doing. He has been wrong on everything, then right, then wrong again. He cannot be trusted as the leading voice on policy related to COVID.
gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
I disagree. Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by his ego.
That is the thing now. Since death total are approaching 150k people, we can just blame Fauci.
(07-15-2020 03:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:39 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Fauci has been a disaster from day one. The dude flip flops, sometimes multiple times per week, on what we should be doing. He has been wrong on everything, then right, then wrong again. He cannot be trusted as the leading voice on policy related to COVID.
gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
I disagree. Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by his ego.
That is the thing now. Since death total are approaching 150k people, we can just blame Fauci.
If we are going to blame anyone it should probably be the governors of the 7 states that sent COVID patients into nursing homes and have accounted for 40% of those 150k deaths. We can start with New York who blew it on countless levels and has accounted for 600% more deaths than California who has twice the population and 800% more deaths than Florida which has a similar population.
(07-15-2020 03:54 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:39 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
I disagree. Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by his ego.
That is the thing now. Since death total are approaching 150k people, we can just blame Fauci.
If we are going to blame anyone it should probably be the governors of the 7 states that sent COVID patients into nursing homes and have accounted for 40% of those 150k deaths. We can start with New York who blew it on countless levels and has accounted for 600% more deaths than California who has twice the population and 800% more deaths than Florida which has a similar population.
Blame China. They let the darn thing escape.
So trump is circumventing the CDC for information about cases. Why?
(07-15-2020 03:54 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:39 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:39 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]gross overstatement. Faced with a once in a hundred years pandemic, anyone would make some mistakes. If he can't be trusted, than we arein deep kimchee because he's about the bestr we have. If trump were singing his praises, so would you.
I have not sung his praises from day one. The guy is just wrong all the time and he wreaks of bureaucrat who is just blowing in whichever direction the political winds carry him. I literally saw the dude on two different networks, one on the right and one on the left, take both positions on kids going to school within the same week.
It is also very interesting to me that you state that Trump's failures are monumental and Fauci is just a man who should be expected to make mistakes, when Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by Fauci.
I disagree. Trump's approach on COVID has mostly been shaped by his ego.
That is the thing now. Since death total are approaching 150k people, we can just blame Fauci.
If we are going to blame anyone it should probably be the governors of the 7 states that sent COVID patients into nursing homes and have accounted for 40% of those 150k deaths. We can start with New York who blew it on countless levels and has accounted for 600% more deaths than California who has twice the population and 800% more deaths than Florida which has a similar population.
So we should blame the governor of NY and Trump?
(07-15-2020 03:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is using the term experts.
So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
But, they aren't experts. Thats the point. They are an advocacy group that are pushing their agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associatio...d_Surgeons
If you have 3rd party experts, we should all listen.
Everyone pushes their own agenda. And citing Wikipedia does not strengthen your position.
Lol, you haven't refuted anything from that group.
Do you believe in their conspiracy theories?
I dropped out of this ridiculous discussion when I decided to make the only rational decision that I could and that was to stop talking and get on with living my life to the fullest extent possible.
Meanwhile the Coalition of the Fear Everything and the Coalition of the Fear Nothing have gone on for nearly 50 pages of talking past one another. Each side citing their "experts" and denigrating the other sides "experts" with no end in sight. Truly a microcosm of life today in America.
Well boys, continue the march, and I'll keep checking in daily for a sad laugh.
(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:38 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]NOw, this is a group Im willing to listen to based on what I've read about them. They don't appear to be an advocacy group. However, they are not epidemiologists, they are pedetricians.
Im not sure its possible to pull off. Can you fit 25 kids into a classroom with each student spread 3 feet apart (as opposed to the recommended 6 feet)?
Either way, are you willing to send your kid to school because a right wing advocacy group wrote a document? Or would you rather listen to virologists or epidemiologists?
P.S. hospitals reporting to the White House is a terrible idea. What in the actual F?
I am willing to send my kid to school because basically every piece of actual data and research indicates that there is more chance for harm for them if they don't go to school than if they do. You have not shown one shred of evidence that it is unsafe for kids to go to school, you just refuse to accept the evidence that does exist and somehow turn that into, well it just isn't safe. The fact that you do not believe the data does not indicate that the data is wrong.
First bold....like what? Im asking for actual data like you stated. A right wing nutjob document doesn't count.
Ive pointed it out several times.
-Are kids immune to the virus?
-Will school employees be at risk if schools re-open?
-Are social distancing measures (masks; at least 3, maybe 6 feet apart) possible for children?
-If children and/or adults contract the virus, does there appear to be no long term affects due to the virus?
Try to answer yes to any of those questions.
Those are questions. You have also been pointed to the American Academy of Pediatrics multiple times. I posted an article a few days ago that was full of all the data you could wish for, then, of course, there are the studies that have been conducted throughout the world that have failed to find a single outbreak that was started by children. There are the death rates that show us that flu is as deadly or less deadly in children depending on age. All of these are facts. You respond with a bunch of questions. Questions that are mostly answered by the facts that you refuse to accept, none of which originated in the one document (wasn't even a study) you found to be from a suspect source.
Sorry, if you want to post stuff from American Academy of Pediatrics, I will search for some left wing nutjobs to counter that. Does that serve any purpose?
Whether an "outbreak" is started by children or not really means nothing.
Kids appear to not be as much of spreaders as adults but they certainly still are spreaders.
Are we going to have schools that do not have adults in them? All I keep hearing is kids, but I don't hear any consideration for the adults in the schools.
Open them now and if there are adults not willing to take the risk, then find another that is. Im all about individual choice, to include yours to homeschool or teachers to resign. You seem to want to dictate to everyone. That difference is fundamental.
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(07-15-2020 05:27 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]So trump is circumventing the CDC for information about cases. Why?
I'm sure we'll find out.
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(07-15-2020 06:18 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
But, they aren't experts. Thats the point. They are an advocacy group that are pushing their agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associatio...d_Surgeons
If you have 3rd party experts, we should all listen.
Everyone pushes their own agenda. And citing Wikipedia does not strengthen your position.
Lol, you haven't refuted anything from that group.
Do you believe in their conspiracy theories?
I dropped out of this ridiculous discussion when I decided to make the only rational decision that I could and that was to stop talking and get on with living my life to the fullest extent possible.
Meanwhile the Coalition of the Fear Everything and the Coalition of the Fear Nothing have gone on for nearly 50 pages of talking past one another. Each side citing their "experts" and denigrating the other sides "experts" with no end in sight. Truly a microcosm of life today in America.
Well boys, continue the march, and I'll keep checking in daily for a sad laugh.
Summed it up pretty well. Think I'll join you.
(07-15-2020 06:18 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 03:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 02:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-15-2020 12:30 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]So those with whom one agrees are experts and the others with whom you disagree are kooks. Now I understand.
But, they aren't experts. Thats the point. They are an advocacy group that are pushing their agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associatio...d_Surgeons
If you have 3rd party experts, we should all listen.
Everyone pushes their own agenda. And citing Wikipedia does not strengthen your position.
Lol, you haven't refuted anything from that group.
Do you believe in their conspiracy theories?
I dropped out of this ridiculous discussion when I decided to make the only rational decision that I could and that was to stop talking and get on with living my life to the fullest extent possible.
Meanwhile the Coalition of the Fear Everything and the Coalition of the Fear Nothing have gone on for nearly 50 pages of talking past one another. Each side citing their "experts" and denigrating the other sides "experts" with no end in sight. Truly a microcosm of life today in America.
Well boys, continue the march, and I'll keep checking in daily for a sad laugh.
I popped in and dropped some good news about vaccines.... and was totally ignored. ?[FACE WITH MEDICAL MASK]
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