(11-12-2020 09:13 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2020 05:26 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ]80% mask usage would require the majority of Trump supporters to be wearing masks. I'm not buying it. Florida does not have a mask mandates. My mom lives in Florida and says that nobody wears masks unless they go into an establishment that requires it (pretty much limited to national chains that have national policies). Even then, some are not wearing them. Don't be swayed because you live in an area that has a mask mandate. There are large swaths of this country not wearing masks. I would like to believe that people would wear masks on their own for the good of public health, but that's just not the case.
You are buying a false media and Biden narrative that Republicans don't wear masks. Just because we oppose oppressive government regimes telling us what we must do, does not me we refuse to wear a mask.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...usinesses/
Come on out to Trump country and have a look for yourself.
(11-12-2020 09:55 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Could you imagine a Governor who thought he had the power to restrict the number of people you have in your home?
If not, you don't have to try to imagine any longer...
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavi...s/2716714/
This again is pure show - - it cannot overcome the reality of essential non-enforceability.
New York State has a homeless population equal to a small nation. Governor Cuomo will not be masking nearly 100,000 vagrants. New York City is entirely dependent on free-flowing commerce just to feed itself. While not above killing old people, the governor will not starve the residents of his largest city just to make a point. The NYPD is understaffed and able only to respond to burgeoning violent crime - - forget about misdemeanor enforcement. They'll be some hall-monitor behavior, but it will be mostly all for show.
What the mass-murdering governor has the ability to do at this point does not extend much beyond closing down schools (which he will do, cruel as it is, as a political fop to the teachers' unions) and close down the state parks (Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, etc.). But beyond that, he is toothless.
The lockdowns did not work, beyond the political distraction for which they were primarily intended.
(11-12-2020 11:15 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 09:55 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Could you imagine a Governor who thought he had the power to restrict the number of people you have in your home?
If not, you don't have to try to imagine any longer...
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavi...s/2716714/
This again is pure show - - it cannot overcome the reality of essential non-enforceability.
New York State has a homeless population equal to a small nation. Governor Cuomo will not be masking nearly 100,000 vagrants. New York City is entirely dependent on free-flowing commerce just to feed itself. While not above killing old people, the governor will not starve the residents of his largest city just to make a point. The NYPD is understaffed and able only to respond to burgeoning violent crime - - forget about misdemeanor enforcement. They'll be some hall-monitor behavior, but it will be mostly all for show.
What the mass-murdering governor has the ability to do at this point does not extend much beyond closing down schools (which he will do, cruel as it is, as a political fop to the teachers' unions) and close down the state parks (Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, etc.). But beyond that, he is toothless.
The lockdowns did not work, beyond the political distraction for which they were primarily intended.
What happened to law and order? Is that only for Antifa?
I agree that social gatherings in the home are almost unenforceable. It’s sort of like seat belts, they’re only going to cite you if they pull you over for something else (e.g. disturbing the peace).
(11-12-2020 11:56 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 11:15 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 09:55 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Could you imagine a Governor who thought he had the power to restrict the number of people you have in your home?
If not, you don't have to try to imagine any longer...
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavi...s/2716714/
This again is pure show - - it cannot overcome the reality of essential non-enforceability.
New York State has a homeless population equal to a small nation. Governor Cuomo will not be masking nearly 100,000 vagrants. New York City is entirely dependent on free-flowing commerce just to feed itself. While not above killing old people, the governor will not starve the residents of his largest city just to make a point. The NYPD is understaffed and able only to respond to burgeoning violent crime - - forget about misdemeanor enforcement. They'll be some hall-monitor behavior, but it will be mostly all for show.
What the mass-murdering governor has the ability to do at this point does not extend much beyond closing down schools (which he will do, cruel as it is, as a political fop to the teachers' unions) and close down the state parks (Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, etc.). But beyond that, he is toothless.
The lockdowns did not work, beyond the political distraction for which they were primarily intended.
What happened to law and order? Is that only for Antifa?
I agree that social gatherings in the home are almost unenforceable. It’s sort of like seat belts, they’re only going to cite you if they pull you over for something else (e.g. disturbing the peace).
If we are talking about law and order, then go through the proper channels and pass legislation. We don't take orders from Governors for indiscriminate amounts of time that only they are allowed to determine. How on God's green Earth are we still under emergency orders at this point? It has been almost 9 months. That is plenty of time to turn this over to legislators and let them / force them to do their jobs.
(11-12-2020 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 11:56 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 11:15 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020 09:55 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Could you imagine a Governor who thought he had the power to restrict the number of people you have in your home?
If not, you don't have to try to imagine any longer...
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavi...s/2716714/
This again is pure show - - it cannot overcome the reality of essential non-enforceability.
New York State has a homeless population equal to a small nation. Governor Cuomo will not be masking nearly 100,000 vagrants. New York City is entirely dependent on free-flowing commerce just to feed itself. While not above killing old people, the governor will not starve the residents of his largest city just to make a point. The NYPD is understaffed and able only to respond to burgeoning violent crime - - forget about misdemeanor enforcement. They'll be some hall-monitor behavior, but it will be mostly all for show.
What the mass-murdering governor has the ability to do at this point does not extend much beyond closing down schools (which he will do, cruel as it is, as a political fop to the teachers' unions) and close down the state parks (Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, etc.). But beyond that, he is toothless.
The lockdowns did not work, beyond the political distraction for which they were primarily intended.
What happened to law and order? Is that only for Antifa?
I agree that social gatherings in the home are almost unenforceable. It’s sort of like seat belts, they’re only going to cite you if they pull you over for something else (e.g. disturbing the peace).
If we are talking about law and order, then go through the proper channels and pass legislation. We don't take orders from Governors for indiscriminate amounts of time that only they are allowed to determine. How on God's green Earth are we still under emergency orders at this point? It has been almost 9 months. That is plenty of time to turn this over to legislators and let them / force them to do their jobs.
You are absolutely right. These "laws" should not still be emergency orders. There was some talk way back about legislators drafting some emergency procedures that would be appropriate for a long term event like a pandemic. But I have not seen anything. But any order that is enacted should have an end date. I have a problem with "until further notice" proclamations. Set a deadline, and then if there are still problems at the deadline then come up with a new solution or force legislators to enact a long term solution.
(11-12-2020 04:06 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]
Oh, they just figured out that may be an issue? The fact that the director of the CDC called it out months ago didn't raise any alarms, and nobody had the logic to foresee that this would be an issue prior to going full steam into lockdown mode? I sure am glad that we have highly capable government agencies to guide us through these sorts of things. Like, you have one job CDC, be prepared to lead us through a pandemic, and you are too focused on political pet projects to be bothered.
This is absolutely bonkers:
Quote:Soccer
There will be a new look to indirect and direct free kicks this year. Defensive walls will look different. Players must “reasonably” remain at least three feet from each other, or an arm’s length apart on restarts.
The game clock will stop at the first natural stopping point after the 20-minute mark of each half to allow for the sanitation of hands and game balls and for a water break.
Basketball
The jump ball will be eliminated from play for this season. Instead, the visiting team receives the first possession of the game. If a game goes into overtime, a coin toss will determine which team is awarded the ball first.
There will be no spectators on the first row of bleachers in order to maintain social distancing between the players and the fans. When team personnel occupy rows in the bleachers, there must be at least one row between them and any spectator.
https://dailyprogress.com/community/gree...b0311.html
(11-13-2020 09:44 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]This is absolutely bonkers:
Quote:Soccer
There will be a new look to indirect and direct free kicks this year. Defensive walls will look different. Players must “reasonably” remain at least three feet from each other, or an arm’s length apart on restarts.
The game clock will stop at the first natural stopping point after the 20-minute mark of each half to allow for the sanitation of hands and game balls and for a water break.
Basketball
The jump ball will be eliminated from play for this season. Instead, the visiting team receives the first possession of the game. If a game goes into overtime, a coin toss will determine which team is awarded the ball first.
There will be no spectators on the first row of bleachers in order to maintain social distancing between the players and the fans. When team personnel occupy rows in the bleachers, there must be at least one row between them and any spectator.
https://dailyprogress.com/community/gree...b0311.html
Shhhh! If you complain they might not let them play at all.
Northam has had 8 months to get input from our elected representatives. I'm done listening to his "executive orders." He can go fly a kite.
Meh. So long as we go about our business in either blackface or klan robes, and then deny it was us, we should be fine.
More seriously, the Governor is playing with fire on this one. He will not find the population, at least not here locally, quite so compliant as it was back on March.
I dontcunderstand the point of this except for show. Other than the groups size reduction, there are really no substantial changes.
This makes me think about the root of so many problems in this country.
As citizens, we too often look to the government leaders to solve problems we are facing. And, instead of saying, “Hey, we can’t fix that,” they make rules, policies, etc. to make it appear as if they are doing something to address it. They aren’t. They can’t. We’d be much better off if we accepted that.
(11-13-2020 09:29 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]This makes me think about the root of so many problems in this country.
As citizens, we too often look to the government leaders to solve problems we are facing. And, instead of saying, “Hey, we can’t fix that,” they make rules, policies, etc. to make it appear as if they are doing something to address it. They aren’t. They can’t. We’d be much better off if we accepted that.
Your point is undeniably correct. And yet will invariably be disregarded.
This thread is easily the most meaningful and important of any on this forum, or on any of its predecessor forums. Yet only 5 or so posters have followed it over to the Off Topic board. That, to me, is pretty telling as to the lack of engagement of our citizenry on matters of any real importance.
Whether I happen to agree (Monarchblue and Coach), disagree (mturn and smudge) or simply appreciate the balanced insights (Chillie), at least you 5 have stuck with it. That speaks very highly of your concern for our community. But you are the exceptions.
To me, that is a problem without a cure. Like the nerds at the uncool table in the school cafeteria, we may have the most interesting topics of conversation, but no one cares. Regardless of what we may type on this lonely thread, Gov. Moonwalk will continue to make idiotic and unenforceable pronouncements - - ones that get him positive press coverage but little else. Public sector leeches (teachers’ unions, for example) will persistently seek to leverage this “crisis” for more and more taxpayer dollars in return for less and less direct student engagement. Big Tech and legacy media will continue to assert more and more control over the national narrative, actively censoring those opinions that run counter to their approved message. And the rest of us will just keep on going along with our lives.
But it doesn’t much matter. Other than making sarcastic and mostly unappreciated comments, I have no real ability to force others to knock off the absurd theatre of this WuFlu charade. No more than anyone else has the ability to force me to wear face diapers in open public spaces or to congregate with those who are willing to put up with my presence. I won’t comply, and the governor and others who want to try to make me can just shove off.
In the end, nothing gets solved. The virus will run its course, as it was going to do anyway. A generation of students will have lost two years of their youth. A once-vibrant American economy will need at least a decade to recover from a completely needless lockdown. And there will be a deeper divide between us on political, cultural and class lines that will not be bridged, at least not in my lifetime.
But I do mean it when I say that I appreciate each of your involvement in this discussion. You guys very much are the good exceptions in today’s troubled world.
Smudge, I think you’re right. Most people are good, even if they disagree.
So, if masks and social distancing work, why can only 250 people be in an 8,000 seat arena?
Suffolk schools go virtual until at least Jan 4 2021.
(11-14-2020 08:40 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]So, if masks and social distancing work, why can only 250 people be in an 8,000 seat arena?
Honestly, from my perspective at least, because 30-40% of the population are Pepes, with some variant of ODD and/or ' the rules don't apply to me' and another 10% just want to see it all burn.
If you could get everyone to act in unison, I think it would be more effective.
As an aside, good to see y'all here still fighting the good fight, regardless of your individual position. Have a good Saturday night!
(11-14-2020 09:13 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2020 08:40 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]So, if masks and social distancing work, why can only 250 people be in an 8,000 seat arena?
Honestly, from my perspective at least, because 30-40% of the population are Pepes, with some variant of ODD and/or ' the rules don't apply to me' and another 10% just want to see it all burn.
If you could get everyone to act in unison, I think it would be more effective.
As an aside, good to see y'all here still fighting the good fight, regardless of your individual position. Have a good Saturday night!
Honestly, I haven't been anywhere indoors in the last two months where 90+% of the people were wearing masks. And, certainly, I think the expectation was that ODU was going to enforce masks at the games. (I've been on campus a bunch and haven't seen a single person not wearing a mask inside campus buildings since the semester started.) So, if masks were going to be enforced, again, why cut the crowd from 1,000 to 250?
(11-14-2020 09:13 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2020 08:40 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]So, if masks and social distancing work, why can only 250 people be in an 8,000 seat arena?
Honestly, from my perspective at least, because 30-40% of the population are Pepes, with some variant of ODD and/or ' the rules don't apply to me' and another 10% just want to see it all burn.
If you could get everyone to act in unison, I think it would be more effective.
As an aside, good to see y'all here still fighting the good fight, regardless of your individual position. Have a good Saturday night!
I too would like to run the world. And, truly, I think that you or I or anyone else remaining in this discussion would do a better job of it than what is presently happening. But that’s the sucky thing about self-determination. Others get to have a say - - or at least they think they do.
In AdoptedMonarch World, all those attending home games at the Chartway Arena will be required to back into their parking spaces. Anyone failing to do so will be made to wait until everyone else exits before leaving the parking garage. Yes, things will run properly in AdoptedMonarch World.
I hope that he will forgive me for speaking for him, but in Smudge World I suspect that there may be a prohibition against VIP parking. Who the hell are these rich people that get to step ahead of others? Community parking should be for everyone equally. Things will run fairly in Smudge World.
Sadly, neither Smudge nor I are going to get our way on this. Even if we had the ability to make these pronouncements, others do get to have a say. And if they don’t like it, they can opt out.
Governor Moonwalk, and other fascist wannabes, don’t seem to get that. Or, more accurately, just don’t care. Whether or not I get to attend in person a handful of home ODU games this season is a very small thing. I’ll get over it. Whether my assistant’s family is forced to pay out of pocket in order for their 3rd-grade and 5th-grade daughters to get actual schooling is not such a small thing.
In Grommet World, I am confident you would have solved that problem by now - - if only we would all just act in unison. But we don’t live in Grommet World, which (to your credit) I know that you understand. But what I don’t understand is why you don’t seem to be as bothered and I am by the assumption that we should all now pretend that we live in Moonwalk World? Maybe things would be better if we all, like ants, would behave as the good governor says. But that’s not going to happen. Shame on him for pretending that we will. Shame on us for not being more vocal about it.