(07-02-2020 08:48 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.
I hope so. However, we won't see the deaths (if any) associated with this spike for a number of weeks or even months.
They've been open for over 2 months.
(07-02-2020 09:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:48 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.
I hope so. However, we won't see the deaths (if any) associated with this spike for a number of weeks or even months.
They've been open for over 2 months.
The upturn started around May 30, roughly about the time frame that would be expected from the incubation period, with the big surge beginning in the middle to late June.
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report
It is still a bit early to see the death rate from that surge, 18-30 days from onset.
(07-02-2020 08:48 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.
I hope so. However, we won't see the deaths (if any) associated with this spike for a number of weeks or even months.
These "spikes" began weeks ago. We have been told that a total collapse of the system is around the corner for months, and outside of NYC it just hasn't happened, and isn't happening this time either. It is also funny how quickly the hysteria crowd has pivoted from telling us how many people have died to telling us how many new cases there are. 6 weeks ago we all pretty much agreed that the number of new cases was an irrelevant statistic, then it became the only statistic that doom and gloomers could cite and now I haven't heard a death total in weeks.
(07-02-2020 08:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]The most disturbing trend in Georgia is this
Quote:Georgia coronavirus cases spike among young adults as virus surges
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...HLL5Rvb9N/
This is not bad news. This is a reflection of people acting according to their personal risk. Youg people are getting it because they realize that they can go about their business without fear, and older people are not getting it as much because they understand that they need to take extra precautions. Seems like the way this should have gone from the beginning, add in extreme protection for LTC patients and we have the right formula to protect people from the destruction of the world economy, while also protecting the most vulnerable from the virus.
(07-02-2020 09:43 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:48 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.
I hope so. However, we won't see the deaths (if any) associated with this spike for a number of weeks or even months.
These "spikes" began weeks ago. We have been told that a total collapse of the system is around the corner for months, and outside of NYC it just hasn't happened, and isn't happening this time either. It is also funny how quickly the hysteria crowd has pivoted from telling us how many people have died to telling us how many new cases there are. 6 weeks ago we all pretty much agreed that the number of new cases was an irrelevant statistic, then it became the only statistic that doom and gloomers could cite and now I haven't heard a death total in weeks.
Covid Deaths are up to 130,000. Looks like we are averaging roughly 500 per day.....spiking up and down, mostly up. Past 2-3 days have not been kind (over 600 deaths per day)
That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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(07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
(07-02-2020 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
Are we just going to skip past the fact that your previous post was inaccurate?
If the bar for "good" is that there are zero deaths from COVID then we are never getting back to normal...ever.
I prefer to accept positive news when I see it, and the fact that the death rate has continued to trend down for a number of weeks, even as we see an increase in positive test results, and several states have been open for months is 100% good news.
I just cannot understand the mentality that keeps moving the goal post all over the field in order to find the least hopeful spin they can possibly put on this situation.
(07-02-2020 10:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
Are we just going to skip past the fact that your previous post was inaccurate?
If the bar for "good" is that there are zero deaths from COVID then we are never getting back to normal...ever.
I prefer to accept positive news when I see it, and the fact that the death rate has continued to trend down for a number of weeks, even as we see an increase in positive test results, and several states have been open for months is 100% good news.
I just cannot understand the mentality that keeps moving the goal post all over the field in order to find the least hopeful spin they can possibly put on this situation.
My post was not innaccurate at all. My bar for good is certainly more than 0 deaths.....and obvioulsy less than 600 deaths per day.
I am not certainly moving the goalposts. I want to slowly...and safey return to normal. Its just not safe yet.
(07-02-2020 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]The most disturbing trend in Georgia is this
Quote:Georgia coronavirus cases spike among young adults as virus surges
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...HLL5Rvb9N/
This is not bad news. This is a reflection of people acting according to their personal risk. Youg people are getting it because they realize that they can go about their business without fear, and older people are not getting it as much because they understand that they need to take extra precautions. Seems like the way this should have gone from the beginning, add in extreme protection for LTC patients and we have the right formula to protect people from the destruction of the world economy, while also protecting the most vulnerable from the virus.
The problem is that young people don’t live in a bubble though, they work and live amongst older populations. More cases in the community means more community spread which means higher risks for the at risk populations. And though the death rate is very low young people can still get very sick and having lasting damage to their lungs. I read that in Houston 60% of Covid hospitalizations and 30% of ICU patients were from people under 50. So it’s not like they’re not getting others sick or stressing the medical systems.
(07-02-2020 10:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]The most disturbing trend in Georgia is this
Quote:Georgia coronavirus cases spike among young adults as virus surges
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...HLL5Rvb9N/
This is not bad news. This is a reflection of people acting according to their personal risk. Youg people are getting it because they realize that they can go about their business without fear, and older people are not getting it as much because they understand that they need to take extra precautions. Seems like the way this should have gone from the beginning, add in extreme protection for LTC patients and we have the right formula to protect people from the destruction of the world economy, while also protecting the most vulnerable from the virus.
The problem is that young people don’t live in a bubble though, they work and live amongst older populations. More cases in the community means more community spread which means higher risks for the at risk populations. And though the death rate is very low young people can still get very sick and having lasting damage to their lungs. I read that in Houston 60% of Covid hospitalizations and 30% of ICU patients were from people under 50. So it’s not like they’re not getting others sick or stressing the medical systems.
There is a lot to unpack here. First, there is no evidence that there is a huge spike in vulnerable populations at this time, and the continued downward trend of deaths would seem to indicate that there in fact has not been a spike among vulnerable populations. If your position that younger people getting COVID means they will inevitably spread it to the elderly is accurate, it seems we would be seeing a spike. My position is that everyone is behaving responsibly, for the most part, and that is why we are not seeing a vast crossover from the young populations to the older.
To your second point of reference about the age demographics of those who are hospitalized in Houston, my response it that reporting that the age of most patients is a bit older, without data about how many people are actually hospitalized does not actually indicate that a lot of older people are being hospitalized. There was a joint press conference yesterday or Tuesday with several hospitals in the Houston area pushing back against the narrative that the hospitals there have a huge number of COVID patients at this time. In fact, they only about 25% of their ICU capacity is currently serving COVID patients.
(07-02-2020 03:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 08:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]The most disturbing trend in Georgia is this
Quote:Georgia coronavirus cases spike among young adults as virus surges
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...HLL5Rvb9N/
This is not bad news. This is a reflection of people acting according to their personal risk. Youg people are getting it because they realize that they can go about their business without fear, and older people are not getting it as much because they understand that they need to take extra precautions. Seems like the way this should have gone from the beginning, add in extreme protection for LTC patients and we have the right formula to protect people from the destruction of the world economy, while also protecting the most vulnerable from the virus.
The problem is that young people don’t live in a bubble though, they work and live amongst older populations. More cases in the community means more community spread which means higher risks for the at risk populations. And though the death rate is very low young people can still get very sick and having lasting damage to their lungs. I read that in Houston 60% of Covid hospitalizations and 30% of ICU patients were from people under 50. So it’s not like they’re not getting others sick or stressing the medical systems.
There is a lot to unpack here. First, there is no evidence that there is a huge spike in vulnerable populations at this time, and the continued downward trend of deaths would seem to indicate that there in fact has not been a spike among vulnerable populations. If your position that younger people getting COVID means they will inevitably spread it to the elderly is accurate, it seems we would be seeing a spike. My position is that everyone is behaving responsibly, for the most part, and that is why we are not seeing a vast crossover from the young populations to the older.
To your second point of reference about the age demographics of those who are hospitalized in Houston, my response it that reporting that the age of most patients is a bit older, without data about how many people are actually hospitalized does not actually indicate that a lot of older people are being hospitalized. There was a joint press conference yesterday or Tuesday with several hospitals in the Houston area pushing back against the narrative that the hospitals there have a huge number of COVID patients at this time. In fact, they only about 25% of their ICU capacity is currently serving COVID patients.
Well, it takes time and time will tell. Hospitalizations are a lagging indicator of cases and deaths even moreso. And if the current spike is from mainly younger people then the community spread to other demographics will be next if it happens and a few weeks to a month we'll see the deaths go up. Time will tell but if there's more people in your area that are sick then I don't see how you could argue that it doesn't increase your chances of contracting the disease at the store or your job.
I wasn't saying a lot of older people were being hospitalized. I was saying that a lot of younger people are. The idea that they are safe is false. Excellent chance of survival and very good chance of mild or no symptoms but when you draw that out over a lot of infections you end up with a lot of sick people and some that meet untimely deaths. The narrative is correct that the Coronavirus is pushing the limits of the houston area hospitals, adding that extra 25% (looks like 38% now) has put them at capacity. They have overflow capacity but that is far from ideal. The Houston children's hospital is accepting adult patients. Some hospitals are moving patients to hospitals in other cities. They are not to the point where they're setting up field tents but if the trend doesn't reverse soon they will be.
edit: And Texas is not seeing a downward trend in deaths, it's the opposite. I imagine FL and AZ are as well.
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(07-02-2020 10:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
Are we just going to skip past the fact that your previous post was inaccurate?
If the bar for "good" is that there are zero deaths from COVID then we are never getting back to normal...ever.
I prefer to accept positive news when I see it, and the fact that the death rate has continued to trend down for a number of weeks, even as we see an increase in positive test results, and several states have been open for months is 100% good news.
I just cannot understand the mentality that keeps moving the goal post all over the field in order to find the least hopeful spin they can possibly put on this situation.
Simple question for you: Your son is a scholarship football player at ODU. Today, you gonna let him walk into a locker room with 100 other kids and staffers every day? Practice, sweat and spit every day? Get exposed to 100 kids from an environment over which you or the school have no control (No. Texas, for example)? Run the risk of potentially getting sick?
Not that it matters, but Bobby Wilder said he wouldn't let his kid play under those circumstances. We'll see what happens there w/Derek or whether he was BS'ing WildMan. We'll see what happens with his kid at Navy.
(07-03-2020 07:36 AM)bench jockey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
Are we just going to skip past the fact that your previous post was inaccurate?
If the bar for "good" is that there are zero deaths from COVID then we are never getting back to normal...ever.
I prefer to accept positive news when I see it, and the fact that the death rate has continued to trend down for a number of weeks, even as we see an increase in positive test results, and several states have been open for months is 100% good news.
I just cannot understand the mentality that keeps moving the goal post all over the field in order to find the least hopeful spin they can possibly put on this situation.
Simple question for you: Your son is a scholarship football player at ODU. Today, you gonna let him walk into a locker room with 100 other kids and staffers every day? Practice, sweat and spit every day? Get exposed to 100 kids from an environment over which you or the school have no control (No. Texas, for example)? Run the risk of potentially getting sick?
Not that it matters, but Bobby Wilder said he wouldn't let his kid play under those circumstances. We'll see what happens there w/Derek or whether he was BS'ing WildMan. We'll see what happens with his kid at Navy.
Yes, I absolutely would let him play. I would tell him that it is ultimately his decision, and if he is uncomfortable he doesn't have to, but I would not discourage him.
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29 deaths in Virginia yesterday. 28 in nursing homes.
(07-03-2020 09:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-03-2020 07:36 AM)bench jockey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2020 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]That statement is pretty misleading. Yes, it is bouncing up and down, but each peak is lower than the previous peak, so there is a clear downward trend.
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Of course the overall trend is down. That doesn't mean things are good yet.
Are we just going to skip past the fact that your previous post was inaccurate?
If the bar for "good" is that there are zero deaths from COVID then we are never getting back to normal...ever.
I prefer to accept positive news when I see it, and the fact that the death rate has continued to trend down for a number of weeks, even as we see an increase in positive test results, and several states have been open for months is 100% good news.
I just cannot understand the mentality that keeps moving the goal post all over the field in order to find the least hopeful spin they can possibly put on this situation.
Simple question for you: Your son is a scholarship football player at ODU. Today, you gonna let him walk into a locker room with 100 other kids and staffers every day? Practice, sweat and spit every day? Get exposed to 100 kids from an environment over which you or the school have no control (No. Texas, for example)? Run the risk of potentially getting sick?
Not that it matters, but Bobby Wilder said he wouldn't let his kid play under those circumstances. We'll see what happens there w/Derek or whether he was BS'ing WildMan. We'll see what happens with his kid at Navy.
Yes, I absolutely would let him play. I would tell him that it is ultimately his decision, and if he is uncomfortable he doesn't have to, but I would not discourage him.
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Would you let him go visit his 85 year old grand mother and come home for dinner and to do laundry every Wednesday. It is his decision to play, but who decided that it was okay for him to wonder the world and infect others because he decided to play football?