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(05-17-2018 11:47 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

He is not rated by Rivals, ESPN, or 24/7, but he had two other offers from D-1 schools (AL A&M and UAB).

UAB is a decent program/offer for us to beat out in our current state on a neutral location recruit.

Don't have his postgrad prep stats but his senior year in high school

19.5 ppg
5.2 rpg
2.0 apg
2.8 spg

56-139 from three his Jr and senior year combined for 40%

At least he can shoot a 3. We had one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation. He and Wade both shot 40+% over their JR/SR HS years so that should help at least.

Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

(05-18-2018 08:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

A team with too many NR players will falter in the AAC, but a carefully evaluated NR player could play a contributing role (eg, DJ Stephens at Memphis).

(05-18-2018 08:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

A team with too many NR players will falter in the AAC, but a carefully evaluated NR player could play a contributing role (eg, DJ Stephens at Memphis).

When you get down to a certain level I don't think there is much difference in the 300 rated player and the 500 or NR player on these servers. He has a similar type background and unknown quality offer sheet, as BJ Tyson and some of our past players have that were pretty good. Just have to nail the ones we do take or get enough of them to be good.

(05-18-2018 08:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

A team with too many NR players will falter in the AAC, but a carefully evaluated NR player could play a contributing role (eg, DJ Stephens at Memphis).

its about to be june, ecu isn't finding touted guys this late...
he is also teammates with Dexter Dennis who just committed to wichita..there is a legitimate reason why both were underrated/arent on recruiting sites

dooley knows ecu likely isn't competitive year 1, and likely getting anyone he can at this point..

(05-18-2018 09:28 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

A team with too many NR players will falter in the AAC, but a carefully evaluated NR player could play a contributing role (eg, DJ Stephens at Memphis).

its about to be june, ecu isn't finding touted guys this late...
he is also teammates with Dexter Dennis who just committed to wichita..there is a legitimate reason why both were underrated/arent on recruiting sites

dooley knows ecu likely isn't competitive year 1, and likely getting anyone he can at this point..

We will be much improved over last year imo. We started out last year down 2 players and lost a couple of more along the way.

We need to beat out the CAA, C-USA, and AAC for guys in NC. We do that and keep the guys around, we can finish in the upper half of the league regularly. At least at the current leagues strength.

I also think year 1 is going to be a mega-struggle.

Good coaching will help, undoubtedly. But looking at the roster... yikes.

RETURNING PLAYERS WHO WILL CONTRIBUTE:
G - Shawn Williams - 6'0" (AAC Rookie of the Year)
G - Isaac Fleming - 6'3" (12.5 PPG)
G - KJ Davis - 6'5" (3.1 PPG in 10 Minutes Per Game)
F - Dimitrije Spasojevic - 6'8" (6 PPG, 4 RPG)
F - Justin Whatley - 6'8" (2.5 PPG in 13 Minutes Per Game)

NOW ELIGIBLE:
G/F - Seth LeDay - 6'7" (Transfer from Virginia Tech)

INCOMING FRESHMEN:
G - Deshaun Wade - 6'2" (3***)
G - Tae Hardy - 6'3" (NR - Offer from UAB)
F - Jayden Gardner - 6'7" (3***)
C - Rico Quinton - 6'10" (NR)

I don't know where the scoring is going to come from outside of Shawn Williams and Isaac Fleming. Seriously. Not a clue. Someone is going to have to surprise.

We will see if he adds any play now grad transfers or what he does with the last 3 scholarships. That could change the prospect of the season a lot. He did say he wanted to add 2 transfers last week so maybe he has a couple guys in mind, preferably two grad ones that can play next year and we can recruit those openings again in the fall or adds a JUCO. He said we need to get older.

I do think he did a good job keeping Flemmings. He could have went anywhere for his senior year. One site was projecting him as the most likely gone player in February on the grad transfer market and one of the better ones.

http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possibl...hot-board/

C-Spas 6-8, 230
F-LeDay 6-7, 210
G-Davis 6-5, 200 or Hardy 6-3, 190
G-Williams 6-0, 175
G-Flemmings 6-3, 190

with Gardner 6-7, 225 first big off the bench.

I think that is probably our line up. It's really small but at least some shooting and skill. Our backcourt should be pretty solid with Flemings and Williams. That should give us a chance and LeDay might be our best player(VT transfer, 18ppg 8rpg in JUCO). I'd guess maybe 175-225 RPI range with what is known at this point unfortunately. Add a quality SF wing and I think that would help a lot.

(05-18-2018 09:38 AM)oasispirate Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 09:28 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 08:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how their division work but the was 5A north player of the year and all state in Georgia.

http://gacacoaches.com/all-state-boys-ba...2016-2017/

Familiar names like Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton were among the other players of the year and all state.



I think as of today we will probably start a 3 guard line up and he has a chance to start with Flemings probably guarding the bigger (SF) wing. Dooley seemed to play that way at FGCU most years with usually the third guard 6-3 or 6-4.

A team with too many NR players will falter in the AAC, but a carefully evaluated NR player could play a contributing role (eg, DJ Stephens at Memphis).

its about to be june, ecu isn't finding touted guys this late...
he is also teammates with Dexter Dennis who just committed to wichita..there is a legitimate reason why both were underrated/arent on recruiting sites

dooley knows ecu likely isn't competitive year 1, and likely getting anyone he can at this point..

We will be much improved over last year imo. We started out last year down 2 players and lost a couple of more along the way.

We need to beat out the CAA, C-USA, and AAC for guys in NC. We do that and keep the guys around, we can finish in the upper half of the league regularly. At least at the current leagues strength.

Lipscomb is my adopted hometown team and I watched FLGC often. I was impressed with Dooley.

(05-18-2018 10:12 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]We will see if he adds any play now grad transfers or what he does with the last 3 scholarships. That could change the prospect of the season a lot. He did say he wanted to add 2 transfers last week so maybe he has a couple guys in mind, preferably two grad ones that can play next year and we can recruit those openings again in the fall.

I do think he did a good job keeping Flemmings. He could have went anywhere for his senior year. One site was projecting him as the most likely gone player in February on the grad transfer market and one of the better ones.

http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possibl...hot-board/

C-Spas 6-8, 230
F-LeDay 6-7, 210
G-Davis 6-5, 200 or Hardy 6-3, 190
G-Williams 6-0, 175
G-Flemmings 6-3, 190

with Gardner 6-7, 225 first big off the bench.

I think that is probably our line up. It's really small but at least some shooting and skill. Our backcourt should be pretty solid with Flemings and Williams. That should give us a chance. I'd guess maybe 175-225 RPI range with what is known at this point unfortunately. Add a quality SF wing and I think that would help a lot.

That starting line-up should be fairly competitive if they can stay healthy for the duration of the season.

I'm surprised Whatley is still around to be honest. From what I saw last season he was not a D1-caliber player.

(05-18-2018 10:18 AM)BrooklynRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 10:12 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]We will see if he adds any play now grad transfers or what he does with the last 3 scholarships. That could change the prospect of the season a lot. He did say he wanted to add 2 transfers last week so maybe he has a couple guys in mind, preferably two grad ones that can play next year and we can recruit those openings again in the fall.

I do think he did a good job keeping Flemmings. He could have went anywhere for his senior year. One site was projecting him as the most likely gone player in February on the grad transfer market and one of the better ones.

http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possibl...hot-board/

C-Spas 6-8, 230
F-LeDay 6-7, 210
G-Davis 6-5, 200 or Hardy 6-3, 190
G-Williams 6-0, 175
G-Flemmings 6-3, 190

with Gardner 6-7, 225 first big off the bench.

I think that is probably our line up. It's really small but at least some shooting and skill. Our backcourt should be pretty solid with Flemings and Williams. That should give us a chance. I'd guess maybe 175-225 RPI range with what is known at this point unfortunately. Add a quality SF wing and I think that would help a lot.

That starting line-up should be fairly competitive if they can stay healthy for the duration of the season.

I'm surprised Whatley is still around to be honest. From what I saw last season he was not a D1-caliber player.

You and me both. It seems like they sent Haruna packing and I would have much rather them have gotten rid of Whatley. Haruna sucked but at least he was a Sr (opened a scholarship next year), 7 foot and athletic. I thought there was upside there for the exact things we needed like rebounding and rim protecting. He averaged 15.4 rebounds per 100 possessions Whatley was at 6.9 last year for example.

He had a much better JUCO pedigree than Whatley even did in high school. The guy averaged like 8ppg and 8rpg in high school. Haruna was like a double double guy in JUCO's over 2 years. 12rpg one year. I thought that he might actually do a lot better under a new coach.

Melvin Frazier has been dominating the combine BTW

I went back and looked at the offers/ratings for the best 5 players from arguably the best ECU basketball team ever. Some may go way back to find a better team, but in the post Bill Herrion era... in the last version of C-USA...

PG - Miguel Paul
(3*** Offers from: Missouri, Clemson)
Was a transfer from Mizzou. Very good PG.

SG - Akeem Richmond
(3*** Offers from: Syracuse, Rhode Island, Charlotte, USF, WKU)
Was a transfer from Rhode Island. Best 3 point shooter in ECU history.

SF - Maurice Kemp
(2** Offers from: ECU)
Was a JUCO transfer, and arguably the best player on the team.

PF - Robert Sampson
(3*** Offers from: ECU, St. Mary's, Seton Hall)
Transferred to Georgia Tech for his final year.

C - Ty Armstrong
(3*** Offers from: Auburn)
Was a transfer from Auburn.

I wonder what is different? We have whiffed on TONS of 3 star guys who haven't panned out. This team listed above would compete in the American, no doubt. They HORRIBLY underachieved due to Lebo's bizarre substitution/rotation policy, and lack of player development & motivation.

Evaluating players is a hard thing to do, and I think (or at least hope) Joe Dooley is better at it than Lebo was. He lucked into that starting 5 back during the CIT Championship run... I don't think he knew his ass from his elbow.

(05-18-2018 02:11 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]I went back and looked at the offers/ratings for the best 5 players from arguably the best ECU basketball team ever. Some may go way back to find a better team, but in the post Bill Herrion era... in the last version of C-USA...

PG - Miguel Paul
(3*** Offers from: Missouri, Clemson)
Was a transfer from Mizzou. Very good PG.

SG - Akeem Richmond
(3*** Offers from: Syracuse, Rhode Island, Charlotte, USF, WKU)
Was a transfer from Rhode Island. Best 3 point shooter in ECU history.

SF - Maurice Kemp
(2** Offers from: ECU)
Was a JUCO transfer, and arguably the best player on the team.

PF - Robert Sampson
(3*** Offers from: ECU, St. Mary's, Seton Hall)
Transferred to Georgia Tech for his final year.

C - Ty Armstrong
(3*** Offers from: Auburn)
Was a transfer from Auburn.

I wonder what is different? We have whiffed on TONS of 3 star guys who haven't panned out. This team listed above would compete in the American, no doubt. They HORRIBLY underachieved due to Lebo's bizarre substitution/rotation policy, and lack of player development & motivation.

Evaluating players is a hard thing to do, and I think (or at least hope) Joe Dooley is better at it than Lebo was. He lucked into that starting 5 back during the CIT Championship run... I don't think he knew his ass from his elbow.

4 of the 5 were transfers

composite 4 star

(05-18-2018 02:21 PM)DBSUC1982 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2018 02:11 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]I went back and looked at the offers/ratings for the best 5 players from arguably the best ECU basketball team ever. Some may go way back to find a better team, but in the post Bill Herrion era... in the last version of C-USA...

PG - Miguel Paul
(3*** Offers from: Missouri, Clemson)
Was a transfer from Mizzou. Very good PG.

SG - Akeem Richmond
(3*** Offers from: Syracuse, Rhode Island, Charlotte, USF, WKU)
Was a transfer from Rhode Island. Best 3 point shooter in ECU history.

SF - Maurice Kemp
(2** Offers from: ECU)
Was a JUCO transfer, and arguably the best player on the team.

PF - Robert Sampson
(3*** Offers from: ECU, St. Mary's, Seton Hall)
Transferred to Georgia Tech for his final year.

C - Ty Armstrong
(3*** Offers from: Auburn)
Was a transfer from Auburn.

I wonder what is different? We have whiffed on TONS of 3 star guys who haven't panned out. This team listed above would compete in the American, no doubt. They HORRIBLY underachieved due to Lebo's bizarre substitution/rotation policy, and lack of player development & motivation.

Evaluating players is a hard thing to do, and I think (or at least hope) Joe Dooley is better at it than Lebo was. He lucked into that starting 5 back during the CIT Championship run... I don't think he knew his ass from his elbow.

4 of the 5 were transfers

This.

Actually had 6 transfers on that team. Had a guy off a good Charlotte team.

I think transfers are probably the avenue we should be able to most exploit. It's pretty cut and dry with most. If they are good enough to get on the court in the rotation for a P5 school as an underclassmen they can probably help us. If they can average 8 or 10ppg at a solid mid major as an underclassmen they can probably help us. So on and so forth. 15ppg for the low majors etc even 20ppg D2 guys I've seen do well moving up. Kind of standard translations.

I like getting transfers other than the fact they cost a scholarship a year of sitting out because it's less rolling of dice than high schools. That sitting out a year is usually why we can get them easier too with many schools not wanting to mess with wasting a grant a year.

usf gets a commitment from former top 100 guard Zack Dawson..a freshmen from okstate, sit 1 play 3 transfer

usf is quietly putting together a roster, while we are all just overlooking them..

(05-18-2018 03:20 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]usf gets a commitment from former top 100 guard Zack Dawson..a freshmen from okstate, sit 1 play 3 transfer

usf is quietly putting together a roster, while we are all just overlooking them..

still waiting to hear from prince oduro. and they made anthony higgs' final 3

former ole miss commit Anthony Higgs is also set to choose between usf, vtech and buffalo in the coming days

usf could really be up to something, especially when yo realize they had a true freshmen guard who was doing 19 a game the last 6 or 7 games for them, had a 14pt, 5ast, 6rb per game transfer sitting on transfer rules..and the #4 aac recruiting class....if they get higgs they will finish at #3 (doesnt include the transfer they just got)


if they end up atleast respectable next season (.500-ish conference record/ winning overall record) and not bottom 2 like most are expecting..2019 could be really special for them....NO key players will be seniors..the top 100 guard will be added...and gregory will almost certainly add 2 or 3 more touted players to the fold