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Is Jahmar Young only expected to walk-on next season or for his entire career at SMU?

(04-30-2018 01:08 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Is Jahmar Young only expected to walk-on next season or for his entire career at SMU?

Depends on development. He's a rail right now, but legit rim protector. Real chance they red shirt him. Once SMU gets back to 13 ships, should he develop, pretty sure he gets a 11-13 ride

(04-30-2018 12:48 PM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2018 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2018 10:31 AM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2018 10:58 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]here is a tweet of smu's main beat writer stating exactly what i said from a few hours ago ..who is more well connected than that smu fan
https://twitter.com/PatrickEngel_/status...1993069568

here is what you are missing, i stand down on credible information....stating "i know" " i am a fan" is a stupid response, (it will always be) and will have zero credibility from me...i will back down on sourced information..not "i know"..

you also made 5 paragraph completely on the assumption of me saying "would have been in the final 4"..when i clearly wrote "potentially" being in the final 4...i never guaranteed houston being in the final 4, but stating a path was there..but you took it and manipulated it to your meaning, but whatever

TU4ever you dont think i know anything about basketball...i dont think you know anything about basketball (as insinuated you trust random fans on board on their word, about their team)...lets just end the conversation, im tired of reading your paragraphs of nothing ....

Pile on Pesik continues on this glorious Saturday.

FWIW, Patrick is good at what he does, and SMU knows it needs a player or two, but the STAFF is very contented w.the returning 8 or 9 kids. Are you aware we have a kid walking on this year who has AAC offers and in all likelihood going get a redshirt. Now, if I listed all the programs SMU beat for their current roster, it would be a sea of P5s , as if that matters. Many of which are Janks kids, not Browns

Your issue beyond being a know-it-all douchemonkey is that you think you have clue about other programs rosters beyond recruit rankings. You evaluate based on mix tapes. You're who the coaching industry laughs at. The AAC is a crapshoot next year based on returning rosters. The rest is all speculative. What I do know is what I see on the circuits personally and what various staffs tell me.

Your plug and play vs development take w/ WSU fans is embarrassing. Jarrey Foster had one offer prior to SMU grabbing him. He didn't play branded summer ball and tore his acl and missed senior yr. He balled day 1 at SMU. Did Brown coach him up in 2 months or was that evaluation based on ceiling? Same is about to happen w/another kid I think SMU will get. He's not plug and play next year, cause he's still recovering, but his ceiling is FAR higher than any of the PGs we've missed on, including Torres(no offense WSU). Its never about misses Peanut, its about who you get who can't play. Evaluation can be system based, you know, not just stars. See the rise of mids.

1) hunt, mike ,and foster are the only 3 impact players on your roster next year that wasnt on the team as you were getting beat by everyone ..not to mention we arent even accounting for the fact you lost the best shooter on your team in ben..and none of the guys you added are elite from 3...
as is your roster next year has only 2 legitimate ball handlers total...and 1 passable 3pt shooter (above 40%)

2) you are a homer..fact

3) your jarrey high school story isnt even relevant, as you stated the reason he he wasnt touted..the debate was about kids who were healthy,...i dont even see how that relates
(also just searching he had like 10 offers, mostly mid-major but he did havea few high major like temple, he was also a high 3star recruit) it related even less now


you are questioning my knowledge on this simple becuase im not a smu fan, when smu fans, smu beat writers, are saying the exact same thing i am...
your ridiculous homer-ism is sad becuase a fan of another program is saying exactly what everyone else is saying..and you want everyone to think smu will be great

homerism gone so far, that you think a walk-on has a higher ceiling that a top 50 recruit (ramey), the #1 juco (mitchell), & a juco all-american (torres)

1) So 3 guys that SMU's staff consider future NBA players add nothing. Got it. Ben E was a great kid and had a nice senior year, but he was mostly laughable as a soph and junior, despite 6th man of the year award. We had no primary ball handler in SMUs 30 win season either. Going into that season, SMU was picked 3rd, and Brown/Moore weren't truly considered draft prospects. Brown took the reigns his senior yr, agyet being a 3 yr role player, and became a legit 3 & D kids.

1 Passable 3 pt shooter is beyond dumb, so congrats on that. McMurray, Chargois, Mike, Foster, Douglas can all capably shoot 3s.

2)I'm not a homer, its just funny how people dismiss SMU when they return most of their roster plus Mike and Hunt, who were either top 125 types that they beat P5s or P5 level transfers. Meanwhile, SMU has a 6'9 kid who played w/Hunt that has mid offers but chose to walk-on at SMU to help w/last year of scholly restrictions. Kill Jank, but that's brilliant. Sorta like Ron Baker argument you're losing badly.

3) Jarrey was committed to piss poor Rice until SMU came along. He never had a Temple offer, but believe rivals, 247 or verbal commits. Stars don't mean dick as WSU proves every year. Everett wasnt a star rich, but SMU beat TCU for him. Don't confuse stars w/offer list.

4) i'm questioning your knowledge about SMU b/c I'm an industry guy w/access. You telling any of these zealots what's on their roster is absurd. They live and breathe their programs whereas you believe every sourced writer, despite not knowing what goes into being a publisher on the services.

Do you think Billy, Patrick or me know SMUs entire board? Hell no. Do you think publishers are asked to sit on info by staffs more than not, so they can operate freely? That's called keeping access. Did SMU really whiff on anyone other than Torres(congrats WSU), cause every other kid that they put their hat in the ring for went a high major, if not a nu-blueblood. No way, SMU lost on a very average PG to PG U.

5) I've never compared the acquisition of Young to Mitchell(A&M) or Torres, Ramey wasn't even on the radar other than staff seeing him a few times. That's not pressing up, that's due diligence. What you aren't grasping is SMU is and has been recruiting mostly high majors. As a high mid, you're gonna take some Ls. Also, that's shooting far higher than 2/3s of the league. Win some, lose some.

At end of the day, you're guessing based on what you've read. That doesn't reflect how staffs feel about roster. Sourced info isn't always inside info, but carry on being a book read know-it-all cause not a soul believes you coached at any level. There is far more not known about any of these rosters than known and that's your flaw. Did you know chargois, for the first 15 games of year, would have been a top 5 freshman in the country? Sure he settled in due to weight loss and sickness destroying stamina, but you wouldnt have even said first team all AAC rook. Guess what, none of us would have either, even though a staff member told me he was 'uniquely skilled."

Anyway, carry on telling folks about their team. I'm sure they enjoy your commentary based on being an internet scout. Show me more youtubes, Better yet, mixtapes. That said, I don't want to see your nudesof Galen Robinson. That's between you, your telescopic lens and your ky.

1) stop crowning every recruit you have as NBA, its homerish....foster? yes..hunt hasnt played a second of d1 ball and mike was a decent contributor on a horrible team, dont make him out to be jordan..
and i NEVER SAID THEY ADD NOTHING....you were horrific to finish out last year. looked like the 10 or 11th team in the league...i projected 5th or 6th...thats vast improvement, those 3 alone arent 11th/12rd to 2nd/3rd

Milton was a top level ball handler, leader, he was preseason player of the year, so dont even try and down play his sophomore year (sterling brown was a better handler than everyone but whitt, mcmuray aswell)

and everyone but mcmurray shoots below 33% from 3..ethan can shoot from the 3* *for a big (33%)...douglas shoots 30% from the 3...mcmurray is the only player on smu that can shoot it a high percent(40%)..
you are losing a 43% (shake) and 47% (ben) from 3 and the players primarily taking over their roles are guards that shoot 28% (whitt) and all other players 33% or lower beside mcmurray ..and that doesnt bother you...

3) now you are asking me to believe you over the recruiting sites ...and here is fosters coach

Coach Mike Jones
@CoachMjones3240
3 Jul 2014
Jarrey Foster top 5 schools in this order #1 Rice 2 temple 3 Utep 4 louisiana lafeyette 5 tulsa.

"he never had a Temple offer" i thought you had all the answers sway

--also i dont base anything off of mixtapes...you are acting like scouting reports and aau/high school stats arent available

whats funny about all of these different arguments, is you guys are all attacking each other, im just the structure
if you listen to the comments close enough most of them are saying they have more talent than smu
there are only 6 teams in the top half of the aac (basic math)...10 of the 12 teams are debating saying they are top half....to believe all the fans here is to believe all 10 are top half in the aac in talent (factually incorrect)...note that i had smu in the top half

---side note i consider losing mitchell to a&m a whiff...a&m made him a priority SO late, he wasnt even a priority to them till they missed on some other guys and they still got him, smu was on him hard for while....for the longest time i thought was going to smu, then a weeks before he commits urlic started following him/along with other staff and at the point i knew it was over

(04-30-2018 12:31 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2018 11:08 AM)ShockCrazy Wrote: [ -> ]I am going to point you you literally know nothing about the Ron Baker situation. Ron redshirted his freshman year not because of development but because of the scholarship situation. When we got hot on Ron and were his only real D1 offer, we didn't have any scholarships available. So we offered Ron a 4 for 5 deal to walk on an redshirt his freshman year. In fact during his freshman year Malcolm Armstead, one of the leaders on the following season's following Final Four told coach Ron should be playing. Many thought Ron could help on that 2012 team which featured 5 seniors and earned a 5 seed, but coach didn't think it was right to effectively take away a scholarship year from Ron.

not having a scholarship doesnt mean you can't play..

on your official site it says it was an essential year for him to get his body d1 caliber, and add necessary muscle



also im guessing this is the article you are talking about with the freshmen talking about he shouldnt redshirt, (i just googled, if it isnt let me know)..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/22389...a-prospect

and WOW, did any of you guys read the FULL article....and you guys are still saying plug and play?
1) marshall wasnt high on him when he first say him, it was an assistant (Chris Jans) who liked him and kept pushing for him with marshall
2) every d1 had film on him (becuase he sent it to everyone), all thought he didnt have the body and was unathletic. he wasnt overlooked, everyone saw him and passed, and many told him why they passed (why the red-shirt year was necessary)
3) he was owned in a South dakota state visit/recruiting event...soo much so that he was afraid to go to the one at kansas and canceled in fear of being embarrased

this is a pre-draft article/interview, so everyone is going to try and gas him up (no coach/player is going to say anything bad about their own pre-draft)

but if you listen to ron's own comment, he wasnt ready physically or confidence wise and defeintely wasnt plug and play...he preaches of marshall pushing him

also read a different article while looking for this one

Quote:“Well, we don’t normally get the five-star or even four-star recruits"
“We want guys that want to be a part of something bigger than themselves: like skill development, body development, and falling in love with the process of being great,” Marshall tells Breitbart Sports. “We want coachable, everyday guys.”

you guys keep trying to hype it up to be marshall finding diamond in the ruff players that are plug and play right away (he just knows how to find them)...when in marshalls own words, he isnt magically finding great players he is developing what he has into great players

Do you even read a word anyone says or even articles you cite? Like at all? Or do you just skim an come to conclusions. In that article you cited: "The summer Baker showed up to campus, former point guard Malcolm Armstead, who had just transferred from Oregon, came to the basketball office one day with a message for the coaches. Hey, Baker doesn't need to redshirt, Armstead told them. He needs to play."
And: "He played it beautifully," the coach said, "and proved to be one of the best, if not the best, freshman in that group. But we had to redshirt him, because we couldn't play him because he wanted to redshirt."

(04-30-2018 02:01 PM)ShockCrazy Wrote: [ -> ]Do you even read a word anyone says or even articles you cite? Like at all? Or do you just skim an come to conclusions. In that article you cited: "The summer Baker showed up to campus, former point guard Malcolm Armstead, who had just transferred from Oregon, came to the basketball office one day with a message for the coaches. Hey, Baker doesn't need to redshirt, Armstead told them. He needs to play."
And: "He played it beautifully," the coach said, "and proved to be one of the best, if not the best, freshman in that group. But we had to redshirt him, because we couldn't play him because he wanted to redshirt."

i read the full article... i also stated this was a pre-draft article to hype him up...everyone was going to hype him up...

but if you focused on what ron said, it paints a better picture
and also that part of the article you referenced doesn't even make sense...it portrays it as though the coaches didnt see him in practice.. or that freshmen evaluate recruits .. " i the freshmen had to go let the experienced coaches know he was good enough to play"

Quote:Do you even read a word anyone says or even articles you cite? Like at all?

that is a question i should be asking you...ron numerous times insinuates that he wasnt ready in the article...that his skills and confidence werent anywhere near good enough
yes, his friends hype him up as amazing in an article made to make him look good before the draft..but that cant be your only point..

like i said i went to find the article you referenced to see what you were talking about, offcourse it wlll have the point you tried to make
im just noting in that very same article ron says he was embarrassed at a south dakota st recruiting event and too scared to go to the kansas event month before he was at wichita...
but yet you guys are arguing that he was plug and play if he had gone to any school in the country as a true freshmen

(04-30-2018 10:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2018 09:50 AM)Wheatshock Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2018 09:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

I think WSU is involved, also.

I haven't heard any news of us recruiting this kid. We do seem to looking at wings for the last scholarship though so its possible.

I am not sure of the source because I was rapid firing review of the kid, but I saw “WSU” at one of the sites (FWIW).

Could be Washington State. I see them referred to a lot as "WSU", especially in pacific northwest sources, although they are clearly not the "WSU".

An odd and lengthy final list...

(04-30-2018 12:48 PM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2018 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2018 10:31 AM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2018 10:58 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]here is a tweet of smu's main beat writer stating exactly what i said from a few hours ago ..who is more well connected than that smu fan
https://twitter.com/PatrickEngel_/status...1993069568

here is what you are missing, i stand down on credible information....stating "i know" " i am a fan" is a stupid response, (it will always be) and will have zero credibility from me...i will back down on sourced information..not "i know"..

you also made 5 paragraph completely on the assumption of me saying "would have been in the final 4"..when i clearly wrote "potentially" being in the final 4...i never guaranteed houston being in the final 4, but stating a path was there..but you took it and manipulated it to your meaning, but whatever

TU4ever you dont think i know anything about basketball...i dont think you know anything about basketball (as insinuated you trust random fans on board on their word, about their team)...lets just end the conversation, im tired of reading your paragraphs of nothing ....

Pile on Pesik continues on this glorious Saturday.

FWIW, Patrick is good at what he does, and SMU knows it needs a player or two, but the STAFF is very contented w.the returning 8 or 9 kids. Are you aware we have a kid walking on this year who has AAC offers and in all likelihood going get a redshirt. Now, if I listed all the programs SMU beat for their current roster, it would be a sea of P5s , as if that matters. Many of which are Janks kids, not Browns

Your issue beyond being a know-it-all douchemonkey is that you think you have clue about other programs rosters beyond recruit rankings. You evaluate based on mix tapes. You're who the coaching industry laughs at. The AAC is a crapshoot next year based on returning rosters. The rest is all speculative. What I do know is what I see on the circuits personally and what various staffs tell me.

Your plug and play vs development take w/ WSU fans is embarrassing. Jarrey Foster had one offer prior to SMU grabbing him. He didn't play branded summer ball and tore his acl and missed senior yr. He balled day 1 at SMU. Did Brown coach him up in 2 months or was that evaluation based on ceiling? Same is about to happen w/another kid I think SMU will get. He's not plug and play next year, cause he's still recovering, but his ceiling is FAR higher than any of the PGs we've missed on, including Torres(no offense WSU). Its never about misses Peanut, its about who you get who can't play. Evaluation can be system based, you know, not just stars. See the rise of mids.

1) hunt, mike ,and foster are the only 3 impact players on your roster next year that wasnt on the team as you were getting beat by everyone ..not to mention we arent even accounting for the fact you lost the best shooter on your team in ben..and none of the guys you added are elite from 3...
as is your roster next year has only 2 legitimate ball handlers total...and 1 passable 3pt shooter (above 40%)

2) you are a homer..fact

3) your jarrey high school story isnt even relevant, as you stated the reason he he wasnt touted..the debate was about kids who were healthy,...i dont even see how that relates
(also just searching he had like 10 offers, mostly mid-major but he did havea few high major like temple, he was also a high 3star recruit) it related even less now


you are questioning my knowledge on this simple becuase im not a smu fan, when smu fans, smu beat writers, are saying the exact same thing i am...
your ridiculous homer-ism is sad becuase a fan of another program is saying exactly what everyone else is saying..and you want everyone to think smu will be great

homerism gone so far, that you think a walk-on has a higher ceiling that a top 50 recruit (ramey), the #1 juco (mitchell), & a juco all-american (torres)

1) So 3 guys that SMU's staff consider future NBA players add nothing. Got it. Ben E was a great kid and had a nice senior year, but he was mostly laughable as a soph and junior, despite 6th man of the year award. We had no primary ball handler in SMUs 30 win season either. Going into that season, SMU was picked 3rd, and Brown/Moore weren't truly considered draft prospects. Brown took the reigns his senior yr, after being a 3 yr role player, and became a legit 3 & D kids.

1 Passable 3 pt shooter is beyond dumb, so congrats on that. McMurray, Chargois, Mike, Foster, Douglas can all capably shoot 3s.

2)I'm not a homer, its just funny how people dismiss SMU when they return most of their roster plus Mike and Hunt, who were either top 125 types that they beat P5s or P5 level transfers. Meanwhile, SMU has a 6'9 kid who played w/Hunt that has mid offers but chose to walk-on at SMU to help w/last year of scholly restrictions. Kill Jank, but that's brilliant. Sorta like Ron Baker argument you're losing badly.

3) Jarrey was committed to piss poor Rice until SMU came along. He never had a Temple offer, but believe rivals, 247 or verbal commits. Stars don't mean dick as WSU proves every year. Everett Ray wasnt a star rich, but SMU beat TCU for him. Don't confuse stars w/offer list.

4) i'm questioning your knowledge about SMU b/c I'm an industry guy w/access. You telling any of these zealots what's on their roster is absurd. They live and breathe their programs whereas you believe every sourced writer, despite not knowing what goes into being a publisher on the services.

Do you think Billy, Patrick or me know SMUs entire board? Hell no. Do you think publishers are asked to sit on info by staffs more than not, so they can operate freely? That's called keeping access. Did SMU really whiff on anyone other than Torres(congrats WSU), cause every other kid that they put their hat in the ring for went a high major, if not a nu-blueblood. No way, SMU lost on a very average PG to PG U. That's almost a given not a loss

5) I've never compared the acquisition of Young to Mitchell(A&M) or Torres. Ramey wasn't even on the radar other than staff seeing him a few times. That's not pressing up, that's due diligence. What you aren't grasping is SMU is and has been recruiting mostly high majors. As a high mid, you're gonna take some Ls. Also, that's shooting far higher than 2/3s of the league. Win some, lose some.

At end of the day, you're guessing based on what you've read. That doesn't reflect how staffs feel about roster. Sourced info isn't always inside info, but carry on being a book read, know-it-all, cause not a soul believes you coached at any level. There is far more not known about any of these rosters than known.. Did you know chargois, for the first 15 games of year, would have been a top 5 freshman in the country? Sure he settled in due to weight loss and sickness destroying stamina, but you wouldnt have even said first team all AAC rook. Guess what, none of us would have either, even though a staff member told me he was 'uniquely skilled."

Anyway, carry on telling folks about their team. I'm sure they enjoy your commentary based on being an internet scout. Show me more youtubes, Better yet, mixtapes. That said, I don't want to see your nudes of Galen Robinson. That's between you, your telescopic lens and your ky.

SMU will likely finish in top 4 in cnference and is a legit NCAA threat, IMO.

Christ we may need a new thread for basketball “news”

(04-30-2018 02:42 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]An odd and lengthy final list...

Probably the number 1 juco player in the country for ‘19.

1) stop crowning every recruit you have as NBA, its homerish....foster? yes..hunt hasnt played a second of d1 ball and mike was a decent contributor on a horrible team, dont make him out to be jordan..
and i NEVER SAID THEY ADD NOTHING....you were horrific to finish out last year. looked like the 10 or 11th team in the league...i projected 5th or 6th...thats vast improvement, those 3 alone arent 11th/12rd to 2nd/3rd

Milton was a top level ball handler, leader, he was preseason player of the year, so dont even try and down play his sophomore year (sterling brown was a better handler than everyone but whitt, mcmuray aswell)

and everyone but mcmurray shoots below 33% from 3..ethan can shoot from the 3* *for a big (33%)...douglas shoots 30% from the 3...mcmurray is the only player on smu that can shoot it a high percent(40%)..
you are losing a 43% (shake) and 47% (ben) from 3 and the players primarily taking over their roles are guards that shoot 28% (whitt) and all other players 33% or lower beside mcmurray ..and that doesnt bother you...

3) now you are asking me to believe you over the recruiting sites ...and here is fosters coach

Coach Mike Jones
@CoachMjones3240
3 Jul 2014
Jarrey Foster top 5 schools in this order #1 Rice 2 temple 3 Utep 4 louisiana lafeyette 5 tulsa.

"he never had a Temple offer" i thought you had all the answers sway

--also i dont base anything off of mixtapes...you are acting like scouting reports and aau/high school stats arent available

whats funny about all of these different arguments, is you guys are all attacking each other, im just the structure
if you listen to the comments close enough most of them are saying they have more talent than smu
there are only 6 teams in the top half of the aac (basic math)...10 of the 12 teams are debating saying they are top half....to believe all the fans here is to believe all 10 are top half in the aac in talent (factually incorrect)...note that i had smu in the top half

---side note i consider losing mitchell to a&m a whiff...a&m made him a priority SO late, he wasnt even a priority to them till they missed on some other guys and they still got him, smu was on him hard for while....for the longest time i thought was going to smu, then a weeks before he commits urlic started following him/along with other staff and at the point i knew it was over
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1) I've never crowned anyone an NBA player, that's what the coaches say and they've put 5 in league in two years. Jank himself said Hunt won't be there long, if he gets stronger

2) Shake was also Beta, not alpha, ask any SMU follower. He can handle, score etc, but he never hit a game winner and was only alpha his frosh year vs Tulsa and vs WSU last year. He also was cleared to play this year, while SMU was still in the NCAA hunt and chose to sit. BETA

Shooting percentages of frosh don't come close to bothering me, if they are regarded as a shooter coming out. Emelogu was an abysmal shooter for 2 years at SMU and then comes close to leading country in 3pt percentage. He couldn't even shoot in high school or at Va Tech. I KNOW who are shooters are moving forward and 5 plus can can a hit a 3 w regularity

3) Mike Jones' is a good guy whose responsibility is to get his kids ships by drawing attention to them. Jarrey's best offers were low mids period.

4) A&M recruited Mitchell the same amount of time SMU did. When an AAC team gets beat by a high major, it can be regrettable, but certainly not a loss. Torres was a loss. Ulric is in my contact list and we still text w some regularity. He's SMU indebted and knows it. Your take on Mitchell is absolute proof you talk just to talk w/o knowledge. Comedy that you talk about staffs and what they do w/o ever talking to staff.

Who cares where you had SMU and nobody, as far as I can tell, is arguing with anyone but you. All these guys are saying is that based on turnover and massive additions in the league, there is no predicting. SMU was predicted 3rd two years ago and went 15-1 in league play w 6 kids.

Also, wichita fans, our squad played played Believe Academy this year and Dexter Dennis is very legit. Really nice Spring pick up

I don't know where SMU will finish and its silly to predict teams finishing 4th on May 1, before draft guys are back, when teams still have several open schollies, and tons of guys take a leap forward. See Jarrey Foster, Armoni Brooks, Shizz Alston from their freshman to sophomore years.

There are probably 8-9 teams in the AAC right now that if things break their way with returners, developing young guys, other teams losses, and freshman exceeding expectations could easily move from what one could consider "8th" to "3rd" from today to November 1.

SMU is in that group of 8-9. We looked 9-11 last season to finish the year. That has nothing to do with next season if you look at all the facts of what all we lost. You take away two best players and a bench sub big man from most of the teams last season (who have full 13 schollie roster) and they fall back several spots if not around where SMU was or lower. Think UH losses Rob Gray and Corey Davis along with Nura Zanna they are still rolling along?? No they finish mid-pack, at best, likely 7th-8th. SMU was 9. Why would that change how you look at them this coming season??

1) I agree adding Mike, Hunt, and Foster to the roster though they are likely 3 of our best 6 and maybe 2 of our best players to the roster doesn't move you from 10 to 3, but it does move you up. It's not all just names either.
2) We go back to man-man defense. We were top 30 in nation defensively when we played man-man. We finished 97th after we had to move to our weak zone defense. That makes a difference, without adding a single name. SMU has been a great man-man defensive team past 4 years and played almost exclusively zone because we only had 7 guys and 5 healthy players. The zone was torched by several teams.
3) REBOUNDING. We got killed on the glass. Our Power Forward (4-man) won't be a 6'5 GUARD and our 3-man won't be a 6'3 GUARD. We will have Jarrey Foster 6'6 wing at the 3 who is one of the best wing rebounders in the league and a 6'8 F in Mike at the 4 instead of a guard.
4) If you don't think a guy like Chargois who was All-Rookie team and was just working into shape last season and getting stronger (only benched 135lbs when he arrived) isn't going to take a step forward and improve then idk what freshman in this league will. (Thats not mentioning Douglas who had offers from FSU, Michigan, etc., who had trouble adjusting to the speed of the game as a frosh who could improve drastically, who knows in May)
5) You go from having 7 players (3 of them freshman) and one senior who is playing hurt to having 10-11 players (Likely only one of the top 8 being a freshman).

Yeah looking at all of that SMU is just as much in the mix as most of the other teams in this conference who lost major pieces or are returning unproven rosters, but as of today, unlike last year there is no clear 1-2 in the pecking order. SMU could finish 8th next season if things break poorly for us and well for others or we could finish 2nd or 3rd if vice versa.

(05-01-2018 09:42 AM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]3) Mike Jones' is a good guy whose responsibility is to get his kids ships by drawing attention to them. Jarrey's best offers were low mids period.

4) A&M recruited Mitchell the same amount of time SMU did. When an AAC team gets beat by a high major, it can be regrettable, but certainly not a loss. Torres was a loss. Ulric is in my contact list and we still text w some regularity. He's SMU indebted and knows it. Your take on Mitchell is absolute proof you talk just to talk w/o knowledge. Comedy that you talk about staffs and what they do w/o ever talking to staff.

Who cares where you had SMU and nobody, as far as I can tell, is arguing with anyone but you. All these guys are saying is that based on turnover and massive additions in the league, there is no predicting. SMU was predicted 3rd two years ago and went 15-1 in league play w 6 kids.

this is what is weird you think you know me...you thik you know me and arent even remotely accurately..you said like 40 times i judge recruits off mixtapes, when i never even once mentioned a recruit tape..and now you are saying ive neever even met coaches ...

you claim im a Know-it-all when that is EXACTLY what you are...everything i say i back with sources to more credible people....you on the other hand say things with the backing of "i know" "im more informed" "im a zealot" "i know more more than the recruiting site" ..you then make hard statement about me without even knowing who i am ..this is why you arent credible..your statements on me are false, so everyone other statement you have made has no legs to stand on

ive met and talked to ulric numerous times, he was was at houston before smu and i was the biggest advocator for bringing him back after he was cleared of the smu situation ..i regularly see him at john lucas events..and ps your hot take on his view on smu is wrong just from conversation ive personally had with him..and he didnt know i had any school affiliation when we talked but im certain he know you had an smu one and told you sweet nothings

and note i said prioritized, didnt say start recruiting

aac getting beat by a high major is a loss, this isnt football...a&m isnt a basketball blue blood...when we lost jj chandler to A&M i didnt think these are high major, i think damn we lost another.... outside of 5-10 schools recruiting in college based is more based on assistants and coaches than conference affiliation..houston was recruiting 5stars with ulric, and we stopped when he left...smu was recruiting 5stars and smu stopped when him and brown left, and now he is at a&m cleaning house

Quote:All these guys are saying is that based on turnover and massive additions in the league, there is no predicting.

know it -all, you speak facts on other that arent true

wsu fans specifically said we are top half in talent....
tulsa fan specifically stated the teams they have more talent than
that is predicting...

you are know-it-all

nothing i said i back on my legs alone, i referenced others or posted stats....everything you stated is based on you....KNOW IT ALL..who knows nothing at all

Can we move all of this junk to a thread besides the news thread?

(05-01-2018 10:49 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]Can we move all of this junk to a thread besides the news thread?

I tried to bring it back with some real news, but...

Shocker fans can get their portraits done by a WSU fan


Replying to @RickkyTorres
Have been known to draw a bit. May not be what you had in mind. This was done for the Shocker Senior Men's signing event. #FANatICT

(05-01-2018 10:43 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018 09:42 AM)PonyStark Wrote: [ -> ]3) Mike Jones' is a good guy whose responsibility is to get his kids ships by drawing attention to them. Jarrey's best offers were low mids period.

4) A&M recruited Mitchell the same amount of time SMU did. When an AAC team gets beat by a high major, it can be regrettable, but certainly not a loss. Torres was a loss. Ulric is in my contact list and we still text w some regularity. He's SMU indebted and knows it. Your take on Mitchell is absolute proof you talk just to talk w/o knowledge. Comedy that you talk about staffs and what they do w/o ever talking to staff.

Who cares where you had SMU and nobody, as far as I can tell, is arguing with anyone but you. All these guys are saying is that based on turnover and massive additions in the league, there is no predicting. SMU was predicted 3rd two years ago and went 15-1 in league play w 6 kids.

this is what is weird you think you know me...you thik you know me and arent even remotely accurately..you said like 40 times i judge recruits off mixtapes, when i never even once mentioned a recruit tape..and now you are saying ive neever even met coaches ...

Its all very clear in your posting. You know what the internet tells you, nothing more

ive met and talked to ulric numerous times, he was was at houston before smu and i was the biggest advocator for bringing him back after he was cleared of the smu situation ..i regularly see him at john lucas events..and ps your hot take on his view on smu is wrong just from conversation ive personally had with him..and he didnt know i had any school affiliation when we talked but im certain he know you had an smu one and told you sweet nothings

and note i said prioritized, didnt say start recruiting

aac getting beat by a high major is a loss, this isnt football...a&m isnt a basketball blue blood...when we lost jj chandler to A&M i didnt think these are high major, i think damn we lost another.... outside of 5-10 schools recruiting in college based is more based on assistants and coaches than conference affiliation..houston was recruiting 5stars with ulric, and we stopped when he left...smu was recruiting 5stars and smu stopped when him and brown left, and now he is at a&m cleaning house

Quote:All these guys are saying is that based on turnover and massive additions in the league, there is no predicting.

know it -all, you speak facts on other that arent true

wsu fans specifically said we are top half in talent....
tulsa fan specifically stated the teams they have more talent than
that is predicting...

you are know-it-all

nothing i said i back on my legs alone, i referenced others or posted stats....everything you stated is based on you....KNOW IT ALL..who knows nothing at all

It's very clear from your posting that you are an internet hoe. You know what you read. I know SMU inside and out cause I have real access mostly cause as an industry guy, on occasion I can help. That simple. I am a know-it-mostly as others who follow SMU, on this forum, have already verified.

I've never once claimed knowledge of any other program in AAC, other than the league is wide open this year. That's the reality, the rest is you babbling. The WSU and Tulsa folks are entitled to their opinion cause they know their history and their roster far better than you looking up kids stats and watching film, mixtape or not. You realize to quantify Adams at UConn as the best iso player in league, you offered garbage film that's not validation, thats hot garbage that has nothing to do w/the issue. Like I couldnt pull McMurray film IF I gave an ish. Again, you said SMU has 1 shooter. That's laughable. Stick to Htown, wannabe.

I'm done on this, but by all means, keep pretending you know the reality of other squads. It furthers my point . Oh yeah, Brown doesn't speak to Ulric. IF you knew, you'd realize he deserved a show clause [/color]

(05-01-2018 10:08 AM)PonyHoopsFan85 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know where SMU will finish and its silly to predict teams finishing 4th on May 1, before draft guys are back, when teams still have several open schollies, and tons of guys take a leap forward. See Jarrey Foster, Armoni Brooks, Shizz Alston from their freshman to sophomore years.

There are probably 8-9 teams in the AAC right now that if things break their way with returners, developing young guys, other teams losses, and freshman exceeding expectations could easily move from what one could consider "8th" to "3rd" from today to November 1.

SMU is in that group of 8-9. We looked 9-11 last season to finish the year. That has nothing to do with next season if you look at all the facts of what all we lost. You take away two best players and a bench sub big man from most of the teams last season (who have full 13 schollie roster) and they fall back several spots if not around where SMU was or lower. Think UH losses Rob Gray and Corey Davis along with Nura Zanna they are still rolling along?? No they finish mid-pack, at best, likely 7th-8th. SMU was 9. Why would that change how you look at them this coming season??

1) I agree adding Mike, Hunt, and Foster to the roster though they are likely 3 of our best 6 and maybe 2 of our best players to the roster doesn't move you from 10 to 3, but it does move you up. It's not all just names either.
2) We go back to man-man defense. We were top 30 in nation defensively when we played man-man. We finished 97th after we had to move to our weak zone defense. That makes a difference, without adding a single name. SMU has been a great man-man defensive team past 4 years and played almost exclusively zone because we only had 7 guys and 5 healthy players. The zone was torched by several teams.
3) REBOUNDING. We got killed on the glass. Our Power Forward (4-man) won't be a 6'5 GUARD and our 3-man won't be a 6'3 GUARD. We will have Jarrey Foster 6'6 wing at the 3 who is one of the best wing rebounders in the league and a 6'8 F in Mike at the 4 instead of a guard.
4) If you don't think a guy like Chargois who was All-Rookie team and was just working into shape last season and getting stronger (only benched 135lbs when he arrived) isn't going to take a step forward and improve then idk what freshman in this league will. (Thats not mentioning Douglas who had offers from FSU, Michigan, etc., who had trouble adjusting to the speed of the game as a frosh who could improve drastically, who knows in May)
5) You go from having 7 players (3 of them freshman) and one senior who is playing hurt to having 10-11 players (Likely only one of the top 8 being a freshman).

Yeah looking at all of that SMU is just as much in the mix as most of the other teams in this conference who lost major pieces or are returning unproven rosters, but as of today, unlike last year there is no clear 1-2 in the pecking order. SMU could finish 8th next season if things break poorly for us and well for others or we could finish 2nd or 3rd if vice versa.

i love having convos with you, becuase you seem well informed and just arent out to discredit the other person ...

i agree with a lot of what you said...if you remember i while ago i said smu would make the tourney if they got mitchell or ramey and i thought you were getting mitchell
i didnt expect Mitchell to be the ones getting the rebounds or playing all the defense. if you remember my point was that smu has all the essential side pieces but not the core..(maybe the analogy of a great football roster with no quarterback is more fitting)

i like Chargois alot (i labeled him the best returning scoring big in a convo earlier)..not fan of Douglas, he was essentially a spot shooter, who was bad at spot shooting.

theres a lot to like about smu, just huge questions marks that are unavoidable if you really look at their roster...there are only 2 people with legitimate ball handling skills, and one is a bad shooter. only 1 player total has proven he can shoot the 3 at a consistent level ..the good teams are going to find a way to prey on that

sure lots of smu playser could have huge stat spikes, but thats "hope"..you can make that argument for everyone

and you guys are acting like im saying smu will be horrible...im saying 5th/6th the team that finished 5th in the aac last season was a 20 win team...

the funny thing is if you and stark where making honest projections it would be right around where i have them, you are just hoping for better

penny hardaway might start a trend...numerous high school coaches/former nba players are looking to make the jump to the ncaa ranks of the back of penny

mike bibby hoping to be the next, similar is brandon roy ..who have similar coaching resumes/ties
https://hoopshype.com/2018/04/26/after-h...nba-level/

if penny is successful a flood gate could be opened