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(10-27-2019 09:40 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: [ -> ]Robles strikes out on a huge gift from the ump. Honestly, if I'm the Nats I'm playing this game in protest. The ump has changed the whole tenor of this game, and most of the series.

You can’t file a protest over balls and strikes.


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Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

they should be, but they won't due to their unions aversion to technology.

(10-28-2019 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2019 10:58 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel for Nats fans. If it had been the Dodgers, with Buehler or Ryu lined up for a critical/must win game but having to be replaced by, say, Ross Stripling, I would have thought immediately they were doomed.

kind of tough to say much when you get 1 run....

The umpiring was an utter joke. Sad you get to this point of the year and the balls and strikes are just so inconsistent.

Never have I seen such egregious inconsistency in the way it's called over the course of a series.

Really amazed with the Nats. Win 2 games and are amazing. Go home and lose three games and look mediocre at best. The next 1 or 2 games will be interesting to watch.

(10-28-2019 02:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

they should be, but they won't due to their unions aversion to technology.

I think the last strike call against Robles in the 7th was egregious and effectively killed the momentum being built by the Nats. That was a horrible horrible call that should have been a walk. That one was definitely umpire induced.

(10-28-2019 10:00 AM)hburg Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 02:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

they should be, but they won't due to their unions aversion to technology.

I think the last strike call against Robles in the 7th was egregious and effectively killed the momentum being built by the Nats. That was a horrible horrible call that should have been a walk. That one was definitely umpire induced.

Everyone is talking about that particular call, and the context certainly made it the worst one, but there were so many others. I hope Maldonado is the greatest framer of all time, because otherwise the umpires look like they're on the take. I recall one pitch thrown by Cole that was down and in to a LHH and 2-3 inches off the corner of the zone and called a strike. A couple innings later a Nats RP threw one down and in to a LHH that was clearly in the zone and was called a ball. Gomes was confused to say the least.

Cole received so many favorable calls off the outside corner (to a RHH) that I lost count. And this has been going on all series long. I'm surprised it hasn't been a bigger story. I saw one person tweet the number of favorable calls by team, and it was so heavily in favor of the Astros. If the Nats lose the series, maybe it'll be because Houston is better, but the disparity in favorable calls has definitely handicapped the Nats.

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

Really, umpires have been missing ball/strike calls since the game was invented. Yes, Rockies have lost games on bad calls also, doesn’t help to whine about it. You are just mad because Nats have scored just 1 run in each of the last 3 games and are spitting the bit aka gagging.


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(10-28-2019 02:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

they should be, but they won't due to their unions aversion to technology.

Blame Manfred, not the umpires' union. If MLB implemented that technology, the umpires would have zero leverage.

The only reason MLB isn't using technology like they now use in major tennis tournaments is that the commissioner's office doesn't want to use it.

(10-28-2019 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2019 10:58 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel for Nats fans. If it had been the Dodgers, with Buehler or Ryu lined up for a critical/must win game but having to be replaced by, say, Ross Stripling, I would have thought immediately they were doomed.

kind of tough to say much when you get 1 run....

You're right, of course. But in a NL park with no DH, a close game (which was MUCH more likely with Scherzer than Ross) makes pitching decisions much more complicated and important, and can change the complexion of the game.

(10-28-2019 11:48 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2019 10:58 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel for Nats fans. If it had been the Dodgers, with Buehler or Ryu lined up for a critical/must win game but having to be replaced by, say, Ross Stripling, I would have thought immediately they were doomed.

kind of tough to say much when you get 1 run....

You're right, of course. But in a NL park with no DH, a close game (which was MUCH more likely with Scherzer than Ross) makes pitching decisions much more complicated and important, and can change the complexion of the game.

Definitely right. Guess the plus from last night was they did force Cole to go around 110 pitches, which makes him very unlikely for much on Wednesday.

And still do like Strasburg over Verlander on Tuesday.....

Verlander rarely has 2 bad games in a row, he will win a very tough pitching duel tomorrow.


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(10-28-2019 01:06 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Verlander rarely has 2 bad games in a row, he will win a very tough pitching duel tomorrow.


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Some would say he's coming off 2 bad games in a row. Yes, he was lights out after that 1st inning vs the Yankees, but that inning counts.

(10-28-2019 11:11 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude.... I think you have got to admit these umpires need to be better.... How would you like it if your Rockies got ****** out of a scoring chance due to a pathetic call by the umpire?

Really, umpires have been missing ball/strike calls since the game was invented. Yes, Rockies have lost games on bad calls also, doesn’t help to whine about it. You are just mad because Nats have scored just 1 run in each of the last 3 games and are spitting the bit aka gagging.


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there are poorly called games and then there are poorly called Series (series's?). I've been watching baseball for a long time and I've never seen it called this unfairly for one time. We've all seen a series with plenty of bad calls for both teams, some at less opportune times, but it's usually pretty evenly distributed. This series? Biggest difference I've ever seen.

(10-28-2019 01:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 01:06 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Verlander rarely has 2 bad games in a row, he will win a very tough pitching duel tomorrow.


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Some would say he's coming off 2 bad games in a row. Yes, he was lights out after that 1st inning vs the Yankees, but that inning counts.

He's really not been the same since he started short in the Tampa series....

(10-28-2019 12:16 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 11:48 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2019 10:58 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel for Nats fans. If it had been the Dodgers, with Buehler or Ryu lined up for a critical/must win game but having to be replaced by, say, Ross Stripling, I would have thought immediately they were doomed.

kind of tough to say much when you get 1 run....

You're right, of course. But in a NL park with no DH, a close game (which was MUCH more likely with Scherzer than Ross) makes pitching decisions much more complicated and important, and can change the complexion of the game.

And still do like Strasburg over Verlander on Tuesday.....

I love when people say stuff like this. Strasburg is not facing Verlander, he's facing the Astros lineup. It's like when people say Brady beat Mahomes. No, the Patriots beat Mahomes. The question is, do we feel better about Strasburg in Houston vs the Astros lineup, or Verlander in Houston vs the Nats lineup.

(10-28-2019 01:40 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 12:16 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 11:48 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2019 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2019 10:58 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel for Nats fans. If it had been the Dodgers, with Buehler or Ryu lined up for a critical/must win game but having to be replaced by, say, Ross Stripling, I would have thought immediately they were doomed.

kind of tough to say much when you get 1 run....

You're right, of course. But in a NL park with no DH, a close game (which was MUCH more likely with Scherzer than Ross) makes pitching decisions much more complicated and important, and can change the complexion of the game.

And still do like Strasburg over Verlander on Tuesday.....

I love when people say stuff like this. Strasburg is not facing Verlander, he's facing the Astros lineup. It's like when people say Brady beat Mahomes. No, the Patriots beat Mahomes. The question is, do we feel better about Strasburg in Houston vs the Astros lineup, or Verlander in Houston vs the Nats lineup.

This is a little pedantic, yeah? I think most of us understand it's just shorthand because it's a real mouthful to say "Strasburg vs the Astros lineup over Verlander vs the Nats lineup".

We're spending a lot of energy talking about umpiring, but nobody is talking about luck. I'm not seeing a lot of advanced team metrics out there (for the WS) but baseballsavant is tracking expected batting average (xBA) among other things and here's what it looks like:

Game 1 (Nats 5, Astros 4)
Nats .286
Astros .263
Game 2 (Nats 12, Astros 3)
Nats .225
Astros .360
Game 3 (Astros 4, Nats 1)
Nats .211
Astros .318
Game 4 (Astros 8, Nats 1)
Nats .250
Astros .366

Game 2 is a massive outlier. This is why they play the games of course but these numbers are a good indicator that it was just a matter of time (repetitions) before Houston would start producing.