I almost wonder if they're protecting him too much right now. 1st 3 months of the season- he was used 34 times. The last 2 months, only 16 times. Only once on back to back days(and even only twice with 1 day rest).
1st 3 months 3.12 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 11.94 K/9, 1.82 bb/9, 1.30 HR/9 0.9 fWAR avg rest 1.7 days 23.3% soft contact, 38.4% hard contact
last 2 months 5.06 ERA, 4.02 FIP, 3.58 xFIP, 12.38 k/9, 2.81 bb/9, 1.69 hr/9, 0.1 fWAR avg rest 2.9 days 9.3% soft contact, 37.2% hard contact
so this giving him a lot more rest is clearly not working.
tonight Dodger fans will be watching closely I'm sure Ryu. after giving up 23 ER in 142.2 innings he's given up 11 in his last 10 innings last 2 starts.
(08-29-2019 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I almost wonder if they're protecting him too much right now. 1st 3 months of the season- he was used 34 times. The last 2 months, only 16 times. Only once on back to back days(and even only twice with 1 day rest).
1st 3 months 3.12 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 11.94 K/9, 1.82 bb/9, 1.30 HR/9 0.9 fWAR avg rest 1.7 days 23.3% soft contact, 38.4% hard contact
last 2 months 5.06 ERA, 4.02 FIP, 3.58 xFIP, 12.38 k/9, 2.81 bb/9, 1.69 hr/9, 0.1 fWAR avg rest 2.9 days 9.3% soft contact, 37.2% hard contact
so this giving him a lot more rest is clearly not working.
It's not
intentional rest. In fact, a few weeks ago they said they wanted to make sure he got plenty of work, to the point where they were even saying he would pitch in non-save situations. Because he needs to figure out how/when to throw his other pitches and to develop trust in them.
1 thing that could be pretty interesting early next week. Braves have home series with Toronto Mon-Tue- one of those short 2 game sets. Well with Dorian- could very easily see those 2 days rained out and then a forced double header on Wednesday to make it up. Could really screw with their pitching staff going into a huge 11 day period with 4 with Nats, 4 with Phillies, and 3 with Nats. Definitely will be something that bares watching.
(08-29-2019 10:07 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]tonight Dodger fans will be watching closely I'm sure Ryu. after giving up 23 ER in 142.2 innings he's given up 11 in his last 10 innings last 2 starts.
Indeed. Dead arm?
(08-29-2019 10:27 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2019 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I almost wonder if they're protecting him too much right now. 1st 3 months of the season- he was used 34 times. The last 2 months, only 16 times. Only once on back to back days(and even only twice with 1 day rest).
1st 3 months 3.12 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 11.94 K/9, 1.82 bb/9, 1.30 HR/9 0.9 fWAR avg rest 1.7 days 23.3% soft contact, 38.4% hard contact
last 2 months 5.06 ERA, 4.02 FIP, 3.58 xFIP, 12.38 k/9, 2.81 bb/9, 1.69 hr/9, 0.1 fWAR avg rest 2.9 days 9.3% soft contact, 37.2% hard contact
so this giving him a lot more rest is clearly not working.
It's not intentional rest. In fact, a few weeks ago they said they wanted to make sure he got plenty of work, to the point where they were even saying he would pitch in non-save situations. Because he needs to figure out how/when to throw his other pitches and to develop trust in them.
they said they wanted to get him more consistent work. Which is very similar to what I'm saying- rather than possibly working him back to back days, working him today and then 2 days from now...
so I asked Jay Jaffe about Jansen on his chat. He brought up velocity...
2016 94.2
2017 93.5
2018 92.7
2019 92.1
that's a pretty big drop off.
(08-29-2019 10:36 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2019 10:27 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2019 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I almost wonder if they're protecting him too much right now. 1st 3 months of the season- he was used 34 times. The last 2 months, only 16 times. Only once on back to back days(and even only twice with 1 day rest).
1st 3 months 3.12 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 11.94 K/9, 1.82 bb/9, 1.30 HR/9 0.9 fWAR avg rest 1.7 days 23.3% soft contact, 38.4% hard contact
last 2 months 5.06 ERA, 4.02 FIP, 3.58 xFIP, 12.38 k/9, 2.81 bb/9, 1.69 hr/9, 0.1 fWAR avg rest 2.9 days 9.3% soft contact, 37.2% hard contact
so this giving him a lot more rest is clearly not working.
It's not intentional rest. In fact, a few weeks ago they said they wanted to make sure he got plenty of work, to the point where they were even saying he would pitch in non-save situations. Because he needs to figure out how/when to throw his other pitches and to develop trust in them.
they said they wanted to get him more consistent work. Which is very similar to what I'm saying- rather than possibly working him back to back days, working him today and then 2 days from now...
No it’s not. Nobody on the Dodgers was or is talking about rest being an issue with Jansen. And Jansen’s velo decline isn’t a remotely new issue. His cutter has been declining and the assumption for a while now has been that velo is one of the key reasons. Hence the work on the slider and FB. The problem is that Jansen KNOWS this but he just can’t help himself. I don’t know how he sorts that out on the next month. Honestly I’m at the point where I just want to know that Roberts understands this and is willing to put someone else out there when they really need it. I assume they’ll let Jansen keep working on it - they've got that luxury at least - but I’m really afraid of getting to October with no real change but hearing “Kenley’s our closer.”
(08-29-2019 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]so I asked Jay Jaffe about Jansen on his chat. He brought up velocity...
2016 94.2
2017 93.5
2018 92.7
2019 92.1
that's a pretty big drop off.
And one more thing on velo: If you look you'll see that he can still throw the cutter 93-94 (he maxed at 93 last night) but he has to overthrow to do that - hence the wild pitch last night - and it's yet another reason for him to think he can keep going back to that pitch.
If I'm coming off irritated here it's because I am. Dodgers decided to play the hand they'd been dealt, knowing all these things, and it's frustrating as ****.
(08-29-2019 11:46 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2019 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]so I asked Jay Jaffe about Jansen on his chat. He brought up velocity...
2016 94.2
2017 93.5
2018 92.7
2019 92.1
that's a pretty big drop off.
And one more thing on velo: If you look you'll see that he can still throw the cutter 93-94 (he maxed at 93 last night) but he has to overthrow to do that - hence the wild pitch last night - and it's yet another reason for him to think he can keep going back to that pitch.
If I'm coming off irritated here it's because I am. Dodgers decided to play the hand they'd been dealt, knowing all these things, and it's frustrating as ****.
No, I totally get it. It's just remarkable for someone to have such a great house like the Dodgers have, to have such a problematic kitchen sink.....
And you still owe him another $38 Million :)
(08-29-2019 01:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2019 06:20 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2019 04:38 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Dodgers' magic number is 10!
I just hope they can hang on.
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Can't clinch in Arizona!!
Woo hoo! 
Yeah, no pool party. Bummer.
Well, I am sure the pool guy is glad as he won’t have to sanitize it.
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Dodgers should DL Jansen for 19 days and let him rest up, it isn’t like they can’t live without him for 10 days.
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(08-29-2019 03:49 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Dodgers should DL Jansen for 19 days and let him rest up, it isn’t like they can’t live without him for 10 days.
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why do that when they can wait until Sunday, and then it's 40 man rosters?
They need to get him right (if that's even possible) and that's unlikely to work by giving him a bunch of rest and/or letting him face minor leaguers. The beauty of the situation is the Dodgers are going to clinch in like a week so they can keep sending him out there to see if he can learn to use and trust his secondary pitches.
Bottom line: As much as he is struggling, he's still a serviceable reliever by league standards and is one of the better Dodgers relievers. Closer or otherwise, he WILL be on the post season roster barring injury. They've got to get him as effective as they can over the next month, so he's gonna keep pitching on the big league club.
well, if the Mets weren't done before tonight, looking even more so tonight.. looking like they could be 5 back of the Cubs with 29 games to go. The Mets Tragic number would be down to only 25.
Pitcher's Duel in Arizona
Yeah, looks like Ryu has some sort of issue. Fatigue, dead arm, whatever. It’s troubling.
Ryu had only given up one run to the Dbacks all season before tonight