^ all we would get from that is a single year opp for SBC championship and a bowl
The risk of getting our teeth kicked in seems to high for me, and undue pressure for the program, a normal transition won't kill us, will it?
flip-side, lame duck year may create it's own recruiting challenges
(10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
I imagine there will more than a few awkward conversations regarding scholarships over the next year. Coaches might have liked a guy's value at half scholarship, but not necessarily at full. Or perhaps the staff liked a guy to compete against CAA level opponents, but question whether the player has the ability against higher caliber teams week after week..
(10-25-2021 02:22 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: [ -> ]There should be no holes on this year’s roster as Cig is playing with a stacked deck of 80 scholarships that none of his predecessors have had the privilege. 17 extra scholarships and all the leverage in the world to attract transfers if needed.
If there is a hole, it is his fault for not filling it. I will be surprised if he doesn’t bring in a transfer QB for next year. Can’t go into FBS transition not being super strong in the QB room. Need a talented 1 and a very good 2 at the minimum.
While all of the coaches seem to have done well with inbound transfers, previous coaches also didn’t have to deal with the NCAA free agency as we see it now with the lack of sitting when transferring. Transfers out have typically been guys buried on the depth chart and looking for a chance elsewhere. Coach Cigs and his staff have continued to identity talent to come in, but in the past year he’s lost Amos and Atariwa to UVA and Hamilton to EMU, Gillespie moved on at the last moment and Maloney also left. I know this is a football thread, but look at how insane it was for Bynington to fill out his roster quickly in “free agency” last year and then fill it back up again. This nonsense was enough to make Roy Williams retire and other veteran coaches question their profession.
(10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't
have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
(10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
(10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
Yeah absolutely, it's going to be much tougher for us to jump right in and win than it was for GSU and App when they moved, or than it would've been in the scenario where Marshall/ODU stayed CUSA and added us. I was pointing that out more as showing that the second transition year won't be some garbage half FCS, half FBS schedule and also that a waiver is both unlikely and not all that meaningful anyway. All it would do is get us a bowl game one year earlier if we win enough to be eligible.
(10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
Agree with this… we will have our work cut out for us here
Let's be aggressive in these 2 years. ..but not self inflect wounds excessively
Good to know JMU will never forfeit a game in q4
(10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
We are going to do fine. QB is the biggest worry. We need a solid one, and frankly, based on what I have seen of our underclasmen so far (granted, that hasn't been much), I'm worried. We need an FBS (preferably P5) transfer.
(10-26-2021 10:15 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
We are going to do fine. QB is the biggest worry. We need a solid one, and frankly, based on what I have seen of our underclasmen so far (granted, that hasn't been much), I'm worried. We need an FBS (preferably P5) transfer.
Yep - I think that is the biggest challenge for this staff. Hard to believe a transfer would not be available. Cole was a HS recruit as was Landers, but we had most of our great QBs come via the transfer route - Cawley, Rascati, Lee, Schor, Dinucci....
They don't all work - aka Mitch, but we've had some pretty good success.
(10-27-2021 01:35 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 10:15 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021 04:24 PM)AllForDukes Wrote: [ -> ]JMU should petition the NCAA for a 1 year transition. With everyone getting a COVID year, we can retain 10 or so players and recruit a 12 man incoming freshman class and be at 85 full scholarship players after signing day. The only thing left to do is cobble together a schedule and we are ready to go in 2023 after a football independent 2022. If this can be done, the timing will be perfect.
This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
We are going to do fine. QB is the biggest worry. We need a solid one, and frankly, based on what I have seen of our underclasmen so far (granted, that hasn't been much), I'm worried. We need an FBS (preferably P5) transfer.
Yep - I think that is the biggest challenge for this staff. Hard to believe a transfer would not be available.
I agree. Hopefully, the Sun Belt news gets the attention of a solid QB transfer.
(10-27-2021 02:08 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 01:35 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 10:15 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:33 PM)jmu98 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2021 12:12 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't that far off from what it'll be anyway. With a normal transition we still play SBC in 2023, we just aren't bowl eligible and we don't have to be at 85 scholarships until 2024 but obviously we can be. Georgia Southern went 8-0/9-3 in that season winning the Sun Belt championship. They petitioned to be bowl eligible but were denied.
That was a much weaker SBC then. If we can be over .500 that would be a good first year. Also depends on how difficult we make our OOC.
We are going to do fine. QB is the biggest worry. We need a solid one, and frankly, based on what I have seen of our underclasmen so far (granted, that hasn't been much), I'm worried. We need an FBS (preferably P5) transfer.
Yep - I think that is the biggest challenge for this staff. Hard to believe a transfer would not be available.
I agree. Hopefully, the Sun Belt news gets the attention of a solid QB transfer.
I can't imagine we've ever been a more attractive destination.
Isn’t there a stud Qb committed to JMU in this upcoming class?
Well three potentially future conference mates were in on him too...
(10-27-2021 09:15 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 08:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t there a stud Qb committed to JMU in this upcoming class?
This guy I'm guessing. Though as Mickey Matthews alluded to, a whole new world has opened up now.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests
This guy committed before we announced FBS, although I suppose CC could have tipped his hand to the kid.
(10-28-2021 07:21 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]Well three potentially future conference mates were in on him too...
Yeah, he had a good list of offers regardless of which conference we're in.
(10-27-2021 09:15 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 08:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t there a stud Qb committed to JMU in this upcoming class?
This guy I'm guessing. Though as Mickey Matthews alluded to, a whole new world has opened up now.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests
So when we join the SBC what is the likelihood that he will get a 3rd star on Rivals, ya know, just because...
(10-28-2021 12:25 PM)JMaddy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 09:15 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 08:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t there a stud Qb committed to JMU in this upcoming class?
This guy I'm guessing. Though as Mickey Matthews alluded to, a whole new world has opened up now.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests
So when we join the SBC what is the likelihood that he will get a 3rd star on Rivals, ya know, just because...
Knowing Rivals... very likely.
(10-28-2021 01:52 PM)jmu007 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2021 12:25 PM)JMaddy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 09:15 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2021 08:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t there a stud Qb committed to JMU in this upcoming class?
This guy I'm guessing. Though as Mickey Matthews alluded to, a whole new world has opened up now.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests
So when we join the SBC what is the likelihood that he will get a 3rd star on Rivals, ya know, just because...
Knowing Rivals... very likely.
For sure on Rivals but Barnett is legit! Seriously, his school Grimsley is like a fallen power in the 336 (G'boro/Winston/HighPoint) - gentrified high school next to UNCG where all the UNCG and A&T professor's kids go - not a football school anymore. This year they're undefeated for the first time in forever and they blew out their rival Page last week with him leading the way which is a huge deal and a big-time flipping of the roles they usually play. Grimsely plays at Northern Guilford (Keenan Allen's school) tonight in their last regular season game. For you RVA peeps, this is like Godwin or Freeman rolling through a season and taking out Highland Springs and Varina (or for our Nova folks it's like Fairfax or Woodson beating Westfield/South County/Robinson). Can't wait to see him in purple and gold! If they can redshirt him for the crap year next year, he could be exactly the type to elevate us in first four years in FBS.