This is an article on The Athletic. It's a great perspective from Montana State HC, Jeff Choate about how unfairly the FCS, and specifically the players, were treated because the P5 used their leverage to corner the NCAA. How money, a lack of unity and a lack of leadership caused the cancellations. This is all about the P5 teams trying to preserve as much of their revenue as possible. In a way, that's to be expected---But it has come at the cost of much collateral damage to many others.
For those that have a subscription to The Athletic, it's a good read.
https://theathletic.com/1982034/2020/08/...t-in-flux/
Quote:
“It’s heartbreaking for our sport,” Choate told The Athletic. “Football only matters if you have money. The Power 5 commissioners and presidents backed the NCAA into a corner. The real tragedy here is we could not operate together in the best interest of our kids. It’s not whether we’re playing or not. The spirit of amateurism, which has been a fallacy for a long time, is totally gone now because we’re saying if you can afford to test your players at this level or provide for them at this level, then you can participate at this great game we call football. But if you can’t, then you’re less than. We’ve created a different caste system here.”
Choate also has watched in the past week as many student-athletes in the Pac-12, including several at Washington, where he coached at before coming to Montana State, proposed a player boycott if their demands are not met. Several of those pertained to greater safety measures related to the COVID-19 pandemic. “All of the kids in the Pac-12 talking about opting out, this is a consequence of these kids being disenfranchised,” Choate said. “They keep getting jerked around.
“I feel like we’ve been supported by MSU — our president has been awesome — but at the 30,000-foot level with the NCAA, it’s unbelievably unfair how these kids have been treated. The decision whether to play or not to play should’ve been made a long time ago. Our kids aren’t summer-stipend kids. They don’t have cooked-to-order breakfasts that overlook Lake Washington, like we did at the University of Washington. Our kids don’t have that stuff. They work summer jobs. They sacrifice to be here and train with their teammates. The NCAA’s inaction cost them all of that — sitting here on pins and needles — sometimes not being able to work because maybe they were contact-tracing because of somebody else and so they had to sit in their apartment for 14 days. And it’s all because the NCAA refused to act and they were being bullied by the Power 5. That’s what this amounts to.”
(08-07-2020 05:52 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 04:44 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 03:58 PM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270
Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643
Complete garbage stat, driving an agenda that he’s too big of a pu$$y to say directly.
To counter it with actual numbers - because unfortunately, there are many people who see an unsourced stat on the internet from trolls/infographics and believe they're accurate...
From a 2018 Time magazine article about children's deaths from the flu:
"Most children who get the flu do recover. But thousands are hospitalized every year, and some die from complications. The number of children killed by influenza-related causes per season has ranged over the last decade from a low of 37 (in 2011-2012) to a high of 288 (in 2009-2010).
The current flu season is, so far, on track to be deadlier for children than the previous two. During last year’s flu season, 110 children died from the flu between November 2016 and September 2017, with 17 pediatric deaths reported through the second week of January last year. During the 2015-2016 flu season, 92 children died from the flu, with 10 child deaths by this point in the season.
But there have also been worse seasons in recent years: Compared to the 30 deaths so far in 2017-2018, there were 255 child deaths reported by the same week in 2010. The 2014-2015 flu season was also particularly dangerous, with a total of 148 pediatric deaths, 97 of which were reported by this time in 2015."
https://time.com/5113281/flu-death-toll-children-2018/
The Time article never defines pediatric (age 1-10 perhaps) with adolescent beginning at age 11? My source identifies age 0-17. Why so angry, we are just stating facts.
We must stay grounded in the facts to make clear decisions
Wall Street Journal 8/9/20 - Page C2
Deaths by flu vs Covid 19 deaths
Covid 19 deaths age 1-15 = 28
Flu Deaths age 1-14 = 190
Cancer Deaths age 1-14 = 1,257
Homicide Deaths age 1-14 = 625
(08-09-2020 03:34 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]We must stay grounded in the facts to make clear decisions
Wall Street Journal 8/9/20 - Page C2
Deaths by flu vs Covid 19 deaths
Covid 19 deaths age 1-15 = 28
Flu Deaths age 1-14 = 190
Cancer Deaths age 1-14 = 1,257
Homicide Deaths age 1-14 = 625
What do those specific facts have to do with JMU or their decisions on football?
Guys guys guys, in May of 1976, the average temperature was 53 degrees. FACTS
(08-09-2020 11:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 10:45 AM)BDKJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.
You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.
I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.
You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.
I think you’re only fooling yourself if you think it’s going to go away. Under control? Yes, possibly, but the virus is still going to be there. Variations of the Flu, H1N1, Ebola, Mers, other variations of coronavirus diseases are all still in the environment. Now that the COVID-19 virus is in circulation it’s with us forever, like the common cold and any other virus.
Right now the best any person can do is take the proper precautions. Eventually getting vaccinated may be the gold standard in helping stabilize human interaction. In the meantime we wear masks, wash our hands, practice social distancing, disinfect, etc., and place our hope and support in the scientists and medical professionals that are trying to understand and minimize COVID-19’s impact.
Honest question (not necessarily for LH) - since I know we have some on this board who might have experience in this field:
Can immunity be gradually built up in a person after repeated exposure to a virus (live or dead)?
Some of the concern that I have read has to do with the fact that no one really knows how long (if at all) a person will be immune (by building up the antibodies) from this virus after they are exposed to it. Does it last 3 months? 6 months? Longer?
So if a vaccine does come out, might it have to be re-administered every few months (like a booster shot)? If it gives me three months of immunity the first time, could it give me 5 months the next time, and then longer with a third shot? Can the body be trained to start producing the antibodies without additional doses - which might take a few years but bring us back to normalcy?
My guess (hope) is that there will be at least the first version of a vaccine in the next 6 months. It will be really inspiring to know that so many companies, universities, industries, and governments can pull off something major like this in a short period of time if they all focus their attention/resources on it. (Hopefully greed doesn't screw things up, though....)
P5 Conferences
I hope we do not lose any more players to FBS schools if the conference are simply going to postpone football to the spring like FCS schools.
(08-09-2020 05:36 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote: [ -> ]P5 Conferences
I hope we do not lose any more players to FBS schools if the conference are simply going to postpone football to the spring like FCS schools.
This is one reason for some of the conferences/teams to hold out, even if they think the season will be canceled (like UVA's coach seems to believe)
As long as a coach can say "we plan to play football" it opens the doors to transfers, even if they end up being the 3rd string RB in the Spring instead of playing this fall. NDSU faces long odds of keeping Lance, he'll likely transfer or prep for the draft.
MAC is already getting pillaged:
https://n.rivals.com/news/ten-potential-...five-teams
If Big 10 cancels as expected, that will be a momentum changer I think.
(08-09-2020 04:59 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question (not necessarily for LH) - since I know we have some on this board who might have experience in this field:
Can immunity be gradually built up in a person after repeated exposure to a virus (live or dead)?
Some of the concern that I have read has to do with the fact that no one really knows how long (if at all) a person will be immune (by building up the antibodies) from this virus after they are exposed to it. Does it last 3 months? 6 months? Longer?
So if a vaccine does come out, might it have to be re-administered every few months (like a booster shot)? If it gives me three months of immunity the first time, could it give me 5 months the next time, and then longer with a third shot? Can the body be trained to start producing the antibodies without additional doses - which might take a few years but bring us back to normalcy?
My guess (hope) is that there will be at least the first version of a vaccine in the next 6 months. It will be really inspiring to know that so many companies, universities, industries, and governments can pull off something major like this in a short period of time if they all focus their attention/resources on it. (Hopefully greed doesn't screw things up, though....)
There is some emerging evidence that people could have
some level of immune response to COVID-19 due to past exposures to the common cold or other coronaviruses. This could be the reason that some people get COVID asymptomatically. While that could be good news, as far as I know we have no way to predict who might have an immune response and who might not.
The antibodies thing is kind of complicated because you can not show antibodies, but your body's immune system will still "remember" how to shut down a virus.
Thus, the consensus right now is that disappearing antibodies probably aren't a huge issue; but we're still not sure how long your body will "remember" COVID-19 after your antibodies go away. So generally positive news with some reservations.
The answers to your questions about the vaccines are still unknown.
Former FDA Associate Commissioner Peter Pitts recently made the rounds recently tamping down expectations about a COVID vaccine, suggesting that a vaccine was likely in early 2021. Now the logistics of that are complicated. At least two companies are manufacturing their vaccine before being FDA approved, which could reap rewards later on. But the stage of trials they're in right now is essentially putting it into a bunch of different people. It's not only an efficacy thing, but also a side effects thing. You also then have to consider how that vaccine will be distributed, to whom, and how long will it take to get to them
What we should
not do, however, is let the hopes of a vaccine keep us from doing the things we know work now: limiting interactions, distancing if it's necessary for us to interact with others outside of our household,
and wearing a mask if it's necessary for us to interact with others outside of our household. It's been a concern, recently,
that politicians and companies being overly optimistic about vaccines could cause people not to follow current precautions.
Finally, COVID isn't dangerous because it's especially lethal, it's dangerous because we don't know its long-term effects and it's relatively easy to spread.
(08-09-2020 05:36 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote: [ -> ]P5 Conferences
I hope we do not lose any more players to FBS schools if the conference are simply going to postpone football to the spring like FCS schools.
If the P5s cancel this week, are our senior transfers ( like Adeeb ) tied in to the new schools? Seems silly to transfer for 5 days or so and then find out there's no football there either.
(08-09-2020 06:24 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 05:36 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote: [ -> ]P5 Conferences
I hope we do not lose any more players to FBS schools if the conference are simply going to postpone football to the spring like FCS schools.
If the P5s cancel this week, are our senior transfers ( like Adeeb ) tied in to the new schools? Seems silly to transfer for 5 days or so and then find out there's no football there either.
If I remember correctly, if they enroll in classes and are put on the roster, yes. If not, they can still play at JMU.
EDIT: A quote from the NCAA's transfer rules:
Quote:Transfer trigger: A condition that affects your transfer status. A transfer student is a student who transfers from a collegiate institution after having triggered any of the conditions:
Enrolled full-time during any term and attended class or in Division I if you are enrolled full time and are on campus on the opening day of classes.
Reported for a regular squad practice.
Practiced or competed while enrolled less than full-time..
Received institutional financial aid while attending summer school.
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/cur...sfer-terms
(08-09-2020 04:59 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 11:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 10:45 AM)BDKJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.
You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.
I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.
You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.
I think you’re only fooling yourself if you think it’s going to go away. Under control? Yes, possibly, but the virus is still going to be there. Variations of the Flu, H1N1, Ebola, Mers, other variations of coronavirus diseases are all still in the environment. Now that the COVID-19 virus is in circulation it’s with us forever, like the common cold and any other virus.
Right now the best any person can do is take the proper precautions. Eventually getting vaccinated may be the gold standard in helping stabilize human interaction. In the meantime we wear masks, wash our hands, practice social distancing, disinfect, etc., and place our hope and support in the scientists and medical professionals that are trying to understand and minimize COVID-19’s impact.
Honest question (not necessarily for LH) - since I know we have some on this board who might have experience in this field:
Can immunity be gradually built up in a person after repeated exposure to a virus (live or dead)?
Some of the concern that I have read has to do with the fact that no one really knows how long (if at all) a person will be immune (by building up the antibodies) from this virus after they are exposed to it. Does it last 3 months? 6 months? Longer?
So if a vaccine does come out, might it have to be re-administered every few months (like a booster shot)? If it gives me three months of immunity the first time, could it give me 5 months the next time, and then longer with a third shot? Can the body be trained to start producing the antibodies without additional doses - which might take a few years but bring us back to normalcy?
My guess (hope) is that there will be at least the first version of a vaccine in the next 6 months. It will be really inspiring to know that so many companies, universities, industries, and governments can pull off something major like this in a short period of time if they all focus their attention/resources on it. (Hopefully greed doesn't screw things up, though....)
Excellent questions, and I think DukeDogNation gave a thought answer. My only thought is that the experts are still learning about the disease, and it’s too early to say with any certainty if vaccines will produce a long-term immunity, or even if contracting and then recovering from COVID will provide protection. With roughly a 3.3% mortality rate (162k deaths out of an infected population of 4.9 million) let’s hope treatments will be developed that allow us to get back to something approaching a functioning normality. It’s not just the loss or postponement of sports, the entire economy is near the edge of a major and prolonged downturn.
(08-09-2020 06:08 PM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]MAC is already getting pillaged:
https://n.rivals.com/news/ten-potential-...five-teams
That’s just a list of players P5 schools would want to poach, not players already going. And would any of them have instant eligibility? Would you really expect a QB to transfer in the next 2 weeks, pick up the playbook and shine? And that’s only if there even is a season.
(08-09-2020 07:50 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 04:59 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 11:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 10:45 AM)BDKJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.
I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.
You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.
I think you’re only fooling yourself if you think it’s going to go away. Under control? Yes, possibly, but the virus is still going to be there. Variations of the Flu, H1N1, Ebola, Mers, other variations of coronavirus diseases are all still in the environment. Now that the COVID-19 virus is in circulation it’s with us forever, like the common cold and any other virus.
Right now the best any person can do is take the proper precautions. Eventually getting vaccinated may be the gold standard in helping stabilize human interaction. In the meantime we wear masks, wash our hands, practice social distancing, disinfect, etc., and place our hope and support in the scientists and medical professionals that are trying to understand and minimize COVID-19’s impact.
Honest question (not necessarily for LH) - since I know we have some on this board who might have experience in this field:
Can immunity be gradually built up in a person after repeated exposure to a virus (live or dead)?
Some of the concern that I have read has to do with the fact that no one really knows how long (if at all) a person will be immune (by building up the antibodies) from this virus after they are exposed to it. Does it last 3 months? 6 months? Longer?
So if a vaccine does come out, might it have to be re-administered every few months (like a booster shot)? If it gives me three months of immunity the first time, could it give me 5 months the next time, and then longer with a third shot? Can the body be trained to start producing the antibodies without additional doses - which might take a few years but bring us back to normalcy?
My guess (hope) is that there will be at least the first version of a vaccine in the next 6 months. It will be really inspiring to know that so many companies, universities, industries, and governments can pull off something major like this in a short period of time if they all focus their attention/resources on it. (Hopefully greed doesn't screw things up, though....)
Excellent questions, and I think DukeDogNation gave a thought answer. My only thought is that the experts are still learning about the disease, and it’s too early to say with any certainty if vaccines will produce a long-term immunity, or even if contracting and then recovering from COVID will provide protection. With roughly a 3.3% mortality rate (162k deaths out of an infected population of 4.9 million) let’s hope treatments will be developed that allow us to get back to something approaching a functioning normality. It’s not just the loss or postponement of sports, the entire economy is near the edge of a major and prolonged downturn.
Covid 19 does not have a 3.3% mortality rate. That is orders of magnitude off. Estimates hover between .1% and .6%.
(08-09-2020 03:34 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 05:52 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 04:44 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 03:58 PM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270
Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643
Complete garbage stat, driving an agenda that he’s too big of a pu$$y to say directly.
To counter it with actual numbers - because unfortunately, there are many people who see an unsourced stat on the internet from trolls/infographics and believe they're accurate...
From a 2018 Time magazine article about children's deaths from the flu:
"Most children who get the flu do recover. But thousands are hospitalized every year, and some die from complications. The number of children killed by influenza-related causes per season has ranged over the last decade from a low of 37 (in 2011-2012) to a high of 288 (in 2009-2010).
The current flu season is, so far, on track to be deadlier for children than the previous two. During last year’s flu season, 110 children died from the flu between November 2016 and September 2017, with 17 pediatric deaths reported through the second week of January last year. During the 2015-2016 flu season, 92 children died from the flu, with 10 child deaths by this point in the season.
But there have also been worse seasons in recent years: Compared to the 30 deaths so far in 2017-2018, there were 255 child deaths reported by the same week in 2010. The 2014-2015 flu season was also particularly dangerous, with a total of 148 pediatric deaths, 97 of which were reported by this time in 2015."
https://time.com/5113281/flu-death-toll-children-2018/
The Time article never defines pediatric (age 1-10 perhaps) with adolescent beginning at age 11? My source identifies age 0-17. Why so angry, we are just stating facts.
We must stay grounded in the facts to make clear decisions
Wall Street Journal 8/9/20 - Page C2
Deaths by flu vs Covid 19 deaths
Covid 19 deaths age 1-15 = 28
Flu Deaths age 1-14 = 190
Cancer Deaths age 1-14 = 1,257
Homicide Deaths age 1-14 = 625
But, but, but.... never mind, just get your facemask on.
Thank you. I feel so much better now.
By the way, facemasks are almost totally useless. I can post scientific data if you like.
(08-09-2020 09:00 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 07:50 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]With roughly a 3.3% mortality rate (162k deaths out of an infected population of 4.9 million) let’s hope treatments will be developed that allow us to get back to something approaching a functioning normality. It’s not just the loss or postponement of sports, the entire economy is near the edge of a major and prolonged downturn.
Covid 19 does not have a 3.3% mortality rate. That is orders of magnitude off. Estimates hover between .1% and .6%.
Enlighten us, Cent. What, precisely, would you say you've added to this conversation by soaring to these heights of pedantry?
He provided the math. He made no comparison to another stat. Did you actually think to yourself, "UH OH. I better act as though it matters that he said mortality rate instead of infection fatality rate and correct him because if I don't, NO ONE will understand what he's trying to communicate!"
(08-09-2020 06:20 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 04:59 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question (not necessarily for LH) - since I know we have some on this board who might have experience in this field:
Can immunity be gradually built up in a person after repeated exposure to a virus (live or dead)?
Some of the concern that I have read has to do with the fact that no one really knows how long (if at all) a person will be immune (by building up the antibodies) from this virus after they are exposed to it. Does it last 3 months? 6 months? Longer?
So if a vaccine does come out, might it have to be re-administered every few months (like a booster shot)? If it gives me three months of immunity the first time, could it give me 5 months the next time, and then longer with a third shot? Can the body be trained to start producing the antibodies without additional doses - which might take a few years but bring us back to normalcy?
My guess (hope) is that there will be at least the first version of a vaccine in the next 6 months. It will be really inspiring to know that so many companies, universities, industries, and governments can pull off something major like this in a short period of time if they all focus their attention/resources on it. (Hopefully greed doesn't screw things up, though....)
There is some emerging evidence that people could have some level of immune response to COVID-19 due to past exposures to the common cold or other coronaviruses. This could be the reason that some people get COVID asymptomatically. While that could be good news, as far as I know we have no way to predict who might have an immune response and who might not.
The antibodies thing is kind of complicated because you can not show antibodies, but your body's immune system will still "remember" how to shut down a virus. Thus, the consensus right now is that disappearing antibodies probably aren't a huge issue; but we're still not sure how long your body will "remember" COVID-19 after your antibodies go away. So generally positive news with some reservations.
The answers to your questions about the vaccines are still unknown. Former FDA Associate Commissioner Peter Pitts recently made the rounds recently tamping down expectations about a COVID vaccine, suggesting that a vaccine was likely in early 2021. Now the logistics of that are complicated. At least two companies are manufacturing their vaccine before being FDA approved, which could reap rewards later on. But the stage of trials they're in right now is essentially putting it into a bunch of different people. It's not only an efficacy thing, but also a side effects thing. You also then have to consider how that vaccine will be distributed, to whom, and how long will it take to get to them
What we should not do, however, is let the hopes of a vaccine keep us from doing the things we know work now: limiting interactions, distancing if it's necessary for us to interact with others outside of our household, and wearing a mask if it's necessary for us to interact with others outside of our household. It's been a concern, recently, that politicians and companies being overly optimistic about vaccines could cause people not to follow current precautions.
Finally, COVID isn't dangerous because it's especially lethal, it's dangerous because we don't know its long-term effects and it's relatively easy to spread.
Thanks! I completely understand that we're working in the unknown - but I am just looking for some sort of possible light at the end of this tunnel. Being a teacher/administrator, I am constantly paying attention to what is going on in my state/region/nationally just to see what my job might like in each month going forward. (Right now, we have a hybrid schedule - which makes sense for what our area is going through....however some schools are fully opening while others are starting Remote.)
(08-09-2020 08:03 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 06:08 PM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]MAC is already getting pillaged:
https://n.rivals.com/news/ten-potential-...five-teams
That’s just a list of players P5 schools would want to poach, not players already going. And would any of them have instant eligibility? Would you really expect a QB to transfer in the next 2 weeks, pick up the playbook and shine? And that’s only if there even is a season.
Emergency P5 commish meeting happened tonight
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...l-football
The ACC has moved up their meeting to Monday morning as a result.
This is a done deal...they just want to establish a plan for the Spring.
(08-09-2020 09:36 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks! I completely understand that we're working in the unknown - but I am just looking for some sort of possible light at the end of this tunnel. Being a teacher/administrator, I am constantly paying attention to what is going on in my state/region/nationally just to see what my job might like in each month going forward. (Right now, we have a hybrid schedule - which makes sense for what our area is going through....however some schools are fully opening while others are starting Remote.)
I have a prior post on
the state of school reopenings I'll refer you to. PM me if you'd like to discuss further.
(08-09-2020 09:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 09:00 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 07:50 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]With roughly a 3.3% mortality rate (162k deaths out of an infected population of 4.9 million) let’s hope treatments will be developed that allow us to get back to something approaching a functioning normality. It’s not just the loss or postponement of sports, the entire economy is near the edge of a major and prolonged downturn.
Covid 19 does not have a 3.3% mortality rate. That is orders of magnitude off. Estimates hover between .1% and .6%.
Enlighten us, Cent. What, precisely, would you say you've added to this conversation by soaring to these heights of pedantry?
He provided the math. He made no comparison to another stat. Did you actually think to yourself, "UH OH. I better act as though it matters that he said mortality rate instead of infection fatality rate and correct him because if I don't, NO ONE will understand what he's trying to communicate!"
Let's be intellectually honest here, BJK. The mortality rate is the real rate (which is widely understood to be 1% or less), if he wanted to say the infection fatality rate he should have done so. I have no dog in the fight here in any way and live in the second hardest hit state at least by deaths but we need to have an honest conversation in regards to the actual numbers. Just as the Purples of the world with their no mask BS should be put down so should the people who say that this is most deadly thing we have ever seen for the average population. Most importantly people should understand that it is something that no one wants to get as there can be other bad health outcomes less than death. The average person should socially distance, wear masks indoors, and otherwise go about their life. People who are at risk or are further worried should isolate as much as possible. It is now clear that outdoor activity is quite safe and being indoors for any amount of time especially without masks is quite dangerous. Until we get a vaccine or a better understanding of t-cell immunity people need to be very careful.
(08-09-2020 09:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 09:00 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2020 07:50 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]With roughly a 3.3% mortality rate (162k deaths out of an infected population of 4.9 million) let’s hope treatments will be developed that allow us to get back to something approaching a functioning normality. It’s not just the loss or postponement of sports, the entire economy is near the edge of a major and prolonged downturn.
Covid 19 does not have a 3.3% mortality rate. That is orders of magnitude off. Estimates hover between .1% and .6%.
Enlighten us, Cent. What, precisely, would you say you've added to this conversation by soaring to these heights of pedantry?
He provided the math. He made no comparison to another stat. Did you actually think to yourself, "UH OH. I better act as though it matters that he said mortality rate instead of infection fatality rate and correct him because if I don't, NO ONE will understand what he's trying to communicate!"
Because it's right. It is important to be precise in your speech.