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(08-08-2020 01:14 PM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]If Big 10 and Pac 12 cancel as rumored this week, it could do what Big Sky did to FCS and cause a cascade with CFP/Bowls getting canceled.

I think the G5/P5 conferences are going to find that many of their bowl sponsors are going to want to delay until Spring...which is going to help drive their decision.

The bowl organizers are looking at have these games with (some) large-scale payouts but the very real threat right now of no ticket revenue. Cities that have these bowl games are looking at hundreds of out-of-area players/coaches/personnel entering their cities without any real chance of revenue. Some of these bowls are in states that have travel restrictions. (Hell, the Bahamas Bowl - a MAC/CUSA bowl - has a travel ban for all Americans right now...so how can they plan for that being held?) Also, many sponsors are hurting - which could cause the funding for bowls to dry up.

The Tournament of Roses Parade (which actually pre-dates the game and draws a lot more people/revenue) has already been cancelled for this year. The dominoes are going to fall with the bowls...which leaves the I-A teams/conferences with the same conundrum that we faced: Is it worth attempting a Fall season if there is no postseason. Everyone will realize that the answer is "No".

And Duke Dawg is right...any team that starts a Fall season and has to stop is going to find it more difficult to run a Spring season. It is better if everyone just makes the move now and get the planning started.

I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.

(08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.

You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.

I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.

(08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.

You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.

I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.

Nope. I believe responsible behavior is necessary. Mask, hand washing and social distancing are responsible behaviors.

I was only speaking to my personal belief that this virus will be will us for quite some time and at some point society will decide that they will move on. I am seeing a good bit of this with friends and neighbors tired of living in fear.

COVID isn’t the Spanish Flu. While lethal for some, it isn’t lethal to the population at large like the Spanish Flu was. This virus deserves our respect but it isn’t nearly the killer other pandemics have been.

We have seen a lot of reckless behavior in some southern states. Folks with a total disregard for this disease. We have seen the consequences of this behavior.

I don’t have any more faith in the vaccine then I do the tests for the virus. Given the severity of the disease, both have been rushed to the market. I think most folks are tired of living in fear and will take precautions but decide to move on with life knowing the threat exists and will take precautions to avoid it.

(08-08-2020 11:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t have any more faith in the vaccine then I do the tests for the virus.

I have faith in the scientists and the FDA. Multiple vaccines will be developed and ready by early 2021. They will be safe and efficacious. This will be a vaccine that will be required for children entering public schools like several others moving forward.

"250 students and staff quarantined in Georgia school district after one week of school"...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/educ...327173001/

(08-08-2020 11:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I think most folks are tired of living in fear and will take precautions but decide to move on with life knowing the threat exists and will take precautions to avoid it.

My general concern is that we don't actually know the risks associated with COVID-19 and thus are underestimating the threat of the virus. Our understanding of this disease is changing rapidly and I find that it can be difficult to keep up with the changes. It was just a few months ago that people were saying that kids couldn't get or spread COVID and there is mounting evidence that they can and do, as cited in my post a few days ago. As I've mentioned many times before, it's not how lethal COVID is that's so dangerous, it's how much we still don't know about it combined with it's ability to spread relatively easily.

To link this back to the conversation about sports, there is starting to be concern about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on athletes' hearts. Doctors at the NBA have been raising their concern, at least publicly, for about a month. The article mentions that doctors believe there is increased risk of heart damage when returning to exercise after a positive test. Concerns about heart damage are particularly concerning in the NBA, as the article quotes a NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center report that says, "Basketball players have the highest incidence of sports-related sudden cardiac death (SCD) in the United States among all athlete groups..."

The Washington Post ran an article yesterday about the growing number of doctors warning about the long-term complications due to COVID-19 in athletes. The doctors' assessment, similar to mine, is that the early research we have has had concerning results. A quote from the article:

Quote:Emery said cardiological experts worldwide have published five or six significant papers regarding covid-19 and athletes. “All the papers agree that there should be a heightened level of concern with this virus and cardiac involvement in athletes,” Emery said. While the specifics and suggestions of how to manage the risk differ in those papers, “the overall level of concern is greatly there.”

There have been a handful of posters on this board who have told us that "because athletes are healthy, they shouldn't worry about COVID" and increasingly there is evidence to oppose that view. I welcome them to change their mind about it or be open to changing their mind about it as new evidence emerges.

The Washington Post article goes on to mention athletes like Eduardo Rodriguez SP for the Boston Red Sox and Indiana offensive lineman Brady Feeney as two athletes who have already experienced heart issues connected to positive COVID-19 tests. Rodriguez is sidelined for the season with myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, which has been linked to athlete deaths in the past. Brad Feeney was still in the process of consulting with a cardiologist as of the writing of the article.

In summation, I'm very concerned that people, athletes included, are making decisions based on a limited or outdated understanding of the risks of the virus.

I certainly hope you are right WP as a reliable vaccine is our only hope of returning to normal any time in the near future.

(08-09-2020 06:49 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2020 11:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t have any more faith in the vaccine then I do the tests for the virus.

I have faith in the scientists and the FDA. Multiple vaccines will be developed and ready by early 2021. They will be safe and efficacious. This will be a vaccine that will be required for children entering public schools like several others moving forward.

I'm also pretty confident we will end up with multiple successful vaccines. All the science is showing thus far it works in both lab animals and humans.

It may take some time (spring or later) for enough people to get it to quash the virus in the US. Part of this depends on people's willingness to do so. I also think it may be required for international travel, particularly in the EU.

(08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.

You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.

I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.

You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.

(08-08-2020 11:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. I believe responsible behavior is necessary. Mask, hand washing and social distancing are responsible behaviors.

I was only speaking to my personal belief that this virus will be will us for quite some time and at some point society will decide that they will move on. I am seeing a good bit of this with friends and neighbors tired of living in fear.

COVID isn’t the Spanish Flu. While lethal for some, it isn’t lethal to the population at large like the Spanish Flu was. This virus deserves our respect but it isn’t nearly the killer other pandemics have been.

We have seen a lot of reckless behavior in some southern states. Folks with a total disregard for this disease. We have seen the consequences of this behavior.

I don’t have any more faith in the vaccine then I do the tests for the virus. Given the severity of the disease, both have been rushed to the market. I think most folks are tired of living in fear and will take precautions but decide to move on with life knowing the threat exists and will take precautions to avoid it.

Yep. We have zero vaccines for the other corona viruses. No AIDS vaccine, despite decades of trying. We might get an effective vaccine, or might not. If its something where you have to get a series of shots over a period of time, or a shot every year akin to the flu shot, good luck with that lol...Could have some negative side effects, which could cause a backlash. Who the hell knows.

Bottom line is there will come a point when virus or no virus, effective vaccine or no effective vaccine, people will go back to life as normal...

(08-09-2020 10:45 AM)BDKJMU Wrote: [ -> ]You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.

The Spanish Flu had three major waves one in the spring of 1918, one in the fall, and one in the winter of 1919.

Let’s just say I’d rather for my plan not to be hoping for COVID to go away.

(08-09-2020 10:45 AM)BDKJMU Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2020 10:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2020 09:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t believe there will be basketball or a spring football season either. This virus will be with us for at least another year and probably longer. At some point, society will decide to move on despite the risk. A number of people are doing so already.

You mean by society moving on as a purposeful decision to not follow recommendations about masks and social distancing? Just looking for clarification.

I agree with you the virus isn’t going away...ever...but hopefully an effective vaccine will once again open up travel and social gatherings like sporting events, restaurants and entertainment. Even if one or more vaccines prove effective by late 2020 or early 2021 it will take the better part of a year to see it administered widely enough to make a difference.

You don't know that either way. It might never go away. Or it might go away. Spanish Flu and H1N1 just went away, despite no vaccine.

I think you’re only fooling yourself if you think it’s going to go away. Under control? Yes, possibly, but the virus is still going to be there. Variations of the Flu, H1N1, Ebola, Mers, other variations of coronavirus diseases are all still in the environment. Now that the COVID-19 virus is in circulation it’s with us forever, like the common cold and any other virus.

Right now the best any person can do is take the proper precautions. Eventually getting vaccinated may be the gold standard in helping stabilize human interaction. In the meantime we wear masks, wash our hands, practice social distancing, disinfect, etc., and place our hope and support in the scientists and medical professionals that are trying to understand and minimize COVID-19’s impact.

Next 48 hours will be interesting regarding D1A football. Lots of smoke that the Big 10+4 and Pac 12 might each throw the towel in. If they do, it may set off a chain reaction to the rest of D1A. It also creates a potential scenario where they are either all in or all out because the P5, who controls football (note: not the NCAA), will have to make decisions with regards to eligibility - e.g., we can assume all FB S-A's will be provided another year of eligibility like the spring sports from a few months ago if they all choose to cancel. If there is a mix - meaning, some play and some cancel like exists at the moment with the MAC out - then they have a mess on their hands figuring out eligibility issues.

Assuming they all shut things down and an extra year of eligibility if provided to seniors, max scholarship limits currently at 85 will have to be moved up temporarily to account for the upcoming signing class - same for D1AA for that matter. The NFL reiterated yesterday that if CFB cancels across the board this fall that it will re-arrange its schedule to move some games to Saturdays - and, I won't be surprised if they move 1 game each week to Friday night too where you'd have 1 single Thursday, Friday and Monday night game...perhaps 3 on Saturday (2 in afternoon and 1 prime time)...the normal 2 Sunday afternoon + 1 Sunday evening. If the NFL is able to pull off a season of course. We'll see.

You just know the SEC will be last. Saturdays down south will be mighty boring this fall w/o football.

(08-09-2020 12:19 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ]You just know the SEC will be last. Saturdays down south will be mighty boring this fall w/o football.

That's a good bet. I think they (P5) are all looking around at one another waiting to see who will be the first to throw in the towel. And then, a ripple effect will take place from there if one of them does. The ACC-SEC-Big12-2 can then blame everybody else for canceling.


edit note: Oklahoma worked to get their opener moved up to Week Zero (Aug 29) and now they have announced they are moving it back to Labor Day weekend like originally scheduled...further, their HC announced they are taking a week off from practice now as well

Just received word from a family member in Georgia...

...college football expected to be cancelled by end of this week. And, when that happens, lots of states will cancel HS FB as well. HS FB in the state of GA getting pretty close to shutting down already...expects that will be announced this week as well. Doesn't help when after just 1 week of live school, a district (Cherokee County, just north of Atlanta) has to quarantine 250 students & staff members.

Take it FWIW...we'll see.

(08-09-2020 12:47 PM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]Just received word from a family member in Georgia...

...college football expected to be cancelled by end of this week. And, when that happens, lots of states will cancel HS FB as well. HS FB in the state of GA getting pretty close to shutting down already...expects that will be announced this week as well. Doesn't help when after just 1 week of live school, a district (Cherokee County, just north of Atlanta) has to quarantine 250 students & staff members.

Take it FWIW...we'll see.

Article in ATL paper today about a HS senior that is a 2 star recruit moving to arkansas because he thinks arkansas will play HS football and he neefs tape because he missed junior year with a injury. He must think ga is close to calling it?

"They" cancelled it escape clause... ACC-SEC-Big12-2 waiting on who that "they" will be first, MAC annoucement was insignificant, need bigger fish than that to blame... cfb is an ugly business for the big fish too much money at stake. Writing has been on the wall for months but no big fish wants to admit the reality first.

(08-09-2020 01:58 PM)1998JMU Wrote: [ -> ]"They" cancelled it escape clause... ACC-SEC-Big12-2 waiting on who that "they" will be first, MAC annoucement was insignificant, need bigger fish than that to blame... cfb is an ugly business for the big fish too much money at stake. Writing has been on the wall for months but no big fish wants to admit the reality first.

Agree. The Big 10+4 is a pretty big fish. They will be key. I don't even think the Pac 12 moves the needle, TBH. But, if the Big 10+4 shuts down, then it will unravel I believe.