(08-11-2020 06:00 PM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2020 05:17 PM)olddawg Wrote: [ -> ]Hope Madia is able to clarify the situation w/ regard to Amos & Adeeb. Be interesting to see what the ACC does. Never thought I'd see the day they'd align w/ the SEC and Big 12 rather than the Big 10 and Pac 12. We shall see.
Seems a long shot at best.
Agreed it's probably a long shot. And I have no idea if they'd want to return at this point. If there was ever a situation where the NCAA might be inclined to be reasonable, it would be this one. There had to be some sort of conversation by UVA recruiters saying "JMU isn't playing this fall and we (UVA) are."
Question? If there would for some be no spring season, and a senior was to graduate in Dec. could he return to play next year, and not have to be enrolled on the minimum cerdit hrs to be elidgable to play as a 5th year student now does. He was not given the chance to play in a reg season, was fully elidgable at that time.
Myocarditis has been historically been a known and rare side effect of viral infections, from mono, the flu to the common cold. This is not news.
(08-11-2020 08:59 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Myocarditis has been historically been a side effect of viral infections, from mono, the flu to the common cold. This is not news.
It's not news that student-athletes who have recently recovered from a very contagious novel virus have inflammation in their heart muscle that could lead to sudden cardiac arrest? The same virus that many people continue to say is safe for the same student-athletes to get and recover from?
I mean I understand your point in the most narrow way that myocarditis is connected to viral infections. I'd be curious, in the future, to see the prevalence of myocarditis in recovered COVID-19 patients compared to the prevalence of other viral infections. Especially with comparisons to the severity of the symptoms, level of infection, etc., but as far as I know we don't have enough data to make an educated comparison.
(08-11-2020 08:05 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote: [ -> ]Question? If there would for some be no spring season, and a senior was to graduate in Dec. could he return to play next year, and not have to be enrolled on the minimum cerdit hrs to be elidgable to play as a 5th year student now does. He was not given the chance to play in a reg season, was fully elidgable at that time.
Not sure so just my opinion here, but I am willing to bet there would be an expectation (rule?) that the student-athlete would need to be enrolled in grad school. Now, he/she could be taking just a couple of courses and 6 credit hours perhaps, but they I think would need to technically be pursuing some kind of degree. If at the end of the semester they choose to "drop out" of grad school and go on with their lives (hopefully the beginning of a career), then that is their prerogative and no harm, no foul.
Again, just one idiot's opinion...and, there are likely going to be a lot of waivers and exceptional cases ruled down by the NCAA's compliance office with so much that is going on against the norm.
(08-10-2020 12:17 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2020 12:11 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2020 11:38 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2020 11:03 AM)Pitz Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2020 10:56 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]I take it you failed all of your math based classes at JMU?
165,756 deaths in the US. 5,210,507 confirmed cases. 3.18%.
That's also assuming that all active cases won't result in a death. In reality, the base is 3.18%.
That would be assuming everyone who has COVID has been tested for it.
Cent and I butt heads on a lot of this in text messages, but there's no sense slinging stupid personal attacks.
Odd that you don't jump on Cent when he does the same stuff in this thread.
(08-10-2020 12:00 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]If everyone would stop trying to get the last word in.....
Let it go.
So, who thinks we will have football in the spring?
Probably football in the spring, probably no OOC games for basketball before jan 1.
I dont think this is the right way forward, but I think it is logical conclusion the NCAA has come up with.
Basketball seems more doable than football.
And isn't the NCAA tournament the biggest TV revenue generator for the NCAA.
If anything happens starts up in January it would be basketball.
(08-11-2020 09:04 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2020 08:59 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Myocarditis has been historically been a side effect of viral infections, from mono, the flu to the common cold. This is not news.
It's not news that student-athletes who have recently recovered from a very contagious novel virus have inflammation in their heart muscle that could lead to sudden cardiac arrest? The same virus that many people continue to say is safe for the same student-athletes to get and recover from?
I mean I understand your point in the most narrow way that myocarditis is connected to viral infections. I'd be curious, in the future, to see the prevalence of myocarditis in recovered COVID-19 patients compared to the prevalence of other viral infections. Especially with comparisons to the severity of the symptoms, level of infection, etc., but as far as I know we don't have enough data to make an educated comparison.
your second paragraph is a much more reasonable response than I think what the media is doing. From my understanding we have become very good at identifying and pulling athletes that exhibit symptoms of myocarditis.Most people recover without issue or issue, so its about pulling them from activity for a period of time to avoid complications.
(08-12-2020 06:23 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]your second paragraph is a much more reasonable response than I think what the media is doing. From my understanding we have become very good at identifying and pulling athletes that exhibit symptoms of myocarditis.Most people recover without issue or issue, so its about pulling them from activity for a period of time to avoid complications.
The articles that I've read all mention that myocarditis is caused by viral infections of the heart. The
Washington Post article about the topic and the
CBS Sports NBA-related article that I have posted previously all mention it. Both articles contain the specific contextualization that of the rare sudden deaths of healthy athletes myocarditis has been a common culprit even before COVID. The CBS Sports has this quote:
Quote:"Basketball players have the highest incidence of sports-related sudden cardiac death (SCD) in the United States among all athlete groups," a 2016 study by NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center reported.
The article also mentions the compounded risk of strenuous exercise when recovering from COVID or while experiencing myocarditis.
I think the specific issue at hand is that sports in general is a human behavior that creates a setting for respiratory diseases to spread broadly within that population. Given that it was unlikely that college football teams, or any college sports teams, could mimic the bubble model for a number of reasons; when students returned to classes on campus it was likely that we were going to see an MLB-style season with regards to COVID. If at least 10 Big Ten football players
already have myocarditis, what will that number look like when more and more football players are exposed to or get the virus? Not to mention that this is still a short-term view of the effects of the virus, we're not sure what it looks like for these kids 5, 10, 15, or 20 years down the road in the same way that we do for other viruses like the flu. So there's
a lot of unnecessary risk being taken on here and I think the conference presidents are taking that into consideration.
More broadly I think we're having a national conversation about what activities count as necessary or critical to our function as a society. I understand that there are a number of industries, some expected and some not, where people are being put at a higher risk of catching COVID because of their job's inability to be done remotely and its necessity to society carry out in person. (For what it's worth I've been supportive of policies by private businesses and attempts by state and federal governments to give those workers bonuses or compensate them for their risk.) But you just can't tell me that college football is a critical function for society. I understand its value to the players and I think many leagues/teams have signaled their intention to continue modified workouts where local and state conditions allow. So we do have to have a conversation about whether we're willing to put a group of unpaid athletes (who do receive a free college education and educational expenses) at a higher risk for contracting a virus that could have negative health outcomes that specifically align with an existing cause of sudden death in a healthy population, with unknown long-term health outcomes for our entertainment.
If you feel that the media you're consuming is over hyping a particular issue my suggestion would be to explore credible media outlets to add to your media diet. Personally I'm getting most of my news from established print sources or credible online publications as consuming news on social media hasn't yielded great results for me in the past.
(08-12-2020 06:52 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ]More broadly I think we're having a national conversation about what activities count as necessary or critical to our function as a society.
Bingo. Sean Doolittle had this nailed.
Quote:We’re trying to bring baseball back during a pandemic that’s killed 130,000 people. We’re way worse off as a country than we were in March when we shut this thing down. Look at where other developed countries are in their response to this. We haven’t done any of the things that other countries have done to bring sports back. Sports are like the reward of a functioning society. And we’re trying to just bring it back, even though we’ve taken none of the steps to flatten the curve, whatever you want to say. We did flatten the curve a little bit, but we didn’t use that time to do anything productive. We just opened back up for Memorial Day. We decided we’re done with it. If there aren’t sports, it’s going to be because people are not wearing masks, because the response to this has been so politicized. We need help from the general public. If they want to watch baseball, please wear a mask, social distance, keep washing your hands. We can’t just have virus fatigue and keep thinking, ‘Well, it’s been four months, we’re over it, this has been enough time, right? We’ve waited long enough, shouldn’t sports come back now?’ No, there are things we have to do in order to bring this stuff back.
Quick update from the Big South.
FWIW...
Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy
Big 12 schedule notes sources told @Stadium
*Big 12 games begin Sept. 26; title game Dec. 12 (Arlington)
* Start of season can be delayed to Oct. 10 & end Dec. 12 w/title game Dec. 19
* Sept. 26 KU at BU, UT at TT, WVU at OSU, KSU at OU, ISU at TCU
* OU-UT still Oct. 10 in Dallas
(08-12-2020 09:06 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ]Quick update from the Big South.
Anyone left in FCS for fall season?
Hopefully they can sort this out quickly, have the committee meet, and announce Spring plans.
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]Truth in headlines...
LOL!
That’s funny right thurr I don’t care who ya’are.
In FCS ... I *think* SoCon, OVC, and Southland are still officially playing, but no playoffs?
Is that the current known state of things?
(08-12-2020 06:52 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ] (08-12-2020 06:23 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]your second paragraph is a much more reasonable response than I think what the media is doing. From my understanding we have become very good at identifying and pulling athletes that exhibit symptoms of myocarditis.Most people recover without issue or issue, so its about pulling them from activity for a period of time to avoid complications.
The articles that I've read all mention that myocarditis is caused by viral infections of the heart. The Washington Post article about the topic and the CBS Sports NBA-related article that I have posted previously all mention it. Both articles contain the specific contextualization that of the rare sudden deaths of healthy athletes myocarditis has been a common culprit even before COVID. The CBS Sports has this quote:
Quote:"Basketball players have the highest incidence of sports-related sudden cardiac death (SCD) in the United States among all athlete groups," a 2016 study by NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center reported.
The article also mentions the compounded risk of strenuous exercise when recovering from COVID or while experiencing myocarditis.
I think the specific issue at hand is that sports in general is a human behavior that creates a setting for respiratory diseases to spread broadly within that population. Given that it was unlikely that college football teams, or any college sports teams, could mimic the bubble model for a number of reasons; when students returned to classes on campus it was likely that we were going to see an MLB-style season with regards to COVID. If at least 10 Big Ten football players already have myocarditis, what will that number look like when more and more football players are exposed to or get the virus? Not to mention that this is still a short-term view of the effects of the virus, we're not sure what it looks like for these kids 5, 10, 15, or 20 years down the road in the same way that we do for other viruses like the flu. So there's a lot of unnecessary risk being taken on here and I think the conference presidents are taking that into consideration.
More broadly I think we're having a national conversation about what activities count as necessary or critical to our function as a society. I understand that there are a number of industries, some expected and some not, where people are being put at a higher risk of catching COVID because of their job's inability to be done remotely and its necessity to society carry out in person. (For what it's worth I've been supportive of policies by private businesses and attempts by state and federal governments to give those workers bonuses or compensate them for their risk.) But you just can't tell me that college football is a critical function for society. I understand its value to the players and I think many leagues/teams have signaled their intention to continue modified workouts where local and state conditions allow. So we do have to have a conversation about whether we're willing to put a group of unpaid athletes (who do receive a free college education and educational expenses) at a higher risk for contracting a virus that could have negative health outcomes that specifically align with an existing cause of sudden death in a healthy population, with unknown long-term health outcomes for our entertainment.
If you feel that the media you're consuming is over hyping a particular issue my suggestion would be to explore credible media outlets to add to your media diet. Personally I'm getting most of my news from established print sources or credible online publications as consuming news on social media hasn't yielded great results for me in the past.
I tend to agree on the news portion - some are doing a decent job highlighting it, but others are burying the information deep in the article. The clicks and hysteria likely comes from the titles, and the lack of a measured discussion on the topic. Maybe its my own sensitivity on the subject, as I believe once cases and deaths begin to wane we will find new things to be scared of.
I also disagree with the idea that athletics are not necessary. I do think they are necessary and a welcome respite to the wild world we live in. They are unifying, entertaining and give a lot of people, particularly those that play the sports purpose. Young people need purpose. Thats why you have young people doing all kinds of risky things with the possibility of dying. I would have to think that the game of football is much more likely to lead to bad health and wellness outcomes over this disease.
(08-12-2020 03:34 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I also disagree with the idea that athletics are not necessary. I do think they are necessary and a welcome respite to the wild world we live in. They are unifying, entertaining and give a lot of people, particularly those that play the sports purpose. Young people need purpose. Thats why you have young people doing all kinds of risky things with the possibility of dying. I would have to think that the game of football is much more likely to lead to bad health and wellness outcomes over this disease.
To your first point, I think young people are much more resilient than you think. You and I have very different definitions about what is necessary and I'll leave it at that.
To your second point, pre-COVID we were having an extended conversation about the future of football, which has been woven into this conversation, due to the long-term health outcomes associated with both the nature of the sport of football and of CTE. Risk doesn't overlap, it compounds, so the risks associated with COVID compound on top of the inherent risks associated with football and of our understanding of CTE. The NFL, especially, has a less than stellar history in their treatment of the science behind CTE and with compensating former players for the medical hardships they've endured due to playing in the NFL.
I struggle with reconciling my love of watching football and these health outcomes for players and I haven't come up with an "answer" about it, but increasingly it seems that real changes need to be made to the game or I may have to stop watching it. It's something I've talked about personally before, but not on the boards to the best of my knowledge.
No surprise, but Augusta National announced today that no spectators will be allowed at The Masters scheduled for November.