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(08-07-2020 02:21 PM)Madison 91 Forever Wrote: [ -> ]Have I mentioned lately how much 2020 sucks? Well, 2020 sucks. Sigh.

We have a chance to make 2021 better. We hold our own destiny in our hands.

Pain

(08-07-2020 02:34 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 02:21 PM)Madison 91 Forever Wrote: [ -> ]Have I mentioned lately how much 2020 sucks? Well, 2020 sucks. Sigh.

We have a chance to make 2021 better. We hold our own destiny in our hands.

Amen to that. I think there will be a lot of 2021 babies. I mean, with all the folks staying at home and all. Those 2021 babies (HOPEFULLY) have the scenario that America hit rock bottom the year before they were born and hopefully life will be on the upswing for them.

Then again, American babies who were born in 1919, the year after the last major global pandemic soon experienced a great depression, a World War, a Korean War, the unrest of the 60's, and on and on and on. If you were a female baby, you were given the right to vote the year after you were born. If you were a black female baby though, you didn't get the right to vote until 1965. Imagine that. And today, speaking of babies, people complain about wearing masks and not being able to get a haircut. Wow.

So, before you 2021 babies on the horizon get too cocky and comfortable, never forget that life will still be a roller coaster. Hopefully though, better days are definitely ahead.

(08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270

Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643

And? Relevance?

Kind of melodramatic this afternoon after JMU's news, but nonetheless...

...Cubs-Cardinals game at St. Louis tonight has been cancelled due to more COVID-related issues.

(08-07-2020 02:47 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270

Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643

And? Relevance?

Dukeman2 even sucks at being a robot.

(08-07-2020 10:05 AM)1998JMU Wrote: [ -> ]I still can't get understand why/how VMI leaped over JMU to get the UVA game...or was it UVA leaping to grab VMI rather than play JMU? UVA being minimum travel costs, short bus ride... UNC and UVA games should have been locked-in regardless we play full season or a couple of games to help with that pay check if nothing else....just find it interesting UVA moved so quickly to get VMI.

I have no idea but could it be that VMI says hells yes we want to play the cavs and jmu says I'll get back to you after the situation is monitored?

Sometimes decisive works and other times not, we may never know. If everbody bails, jmu is fine, if every team in virginia is playing football including fcs vs fbs more than usual, then what do we have?

A friend of mine just made an interesting point via email...

...D1AA football in the spring could bring some TV interest, exposure, money, who knows.

Just a thought. Take it FWIW.

(08-07-2020 03:10 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 10:05 AM)1998JMU Wrote: [ -> ]I still can't get understand why/how VMI leaped over JMU to get the UVA game...or was it UVA leaping to grab VMI rather than play JMU? UVA being minimum travel costs, short bus ride... UNC and UVA games should have been locked-in regardless we play full season or a couple of games to help with that pay check if nothing else....just find it interesting UVA moved so quickly to get VMI.

I have no idea but could it be that VMI says hells yes we want to play the cavs and jmu says I'll get back to you after the situation is monitored?

Sometimes decisive works and other times not, we may never know. If everbody bails, jmu is fine, if every team in virginia is playing football including fcs vs fbs more than usual, then what do we have?

We had a near impossible time getting FBS teams to play us. There was no upside for FBS schools and we would have been hard-pressed to put together a schedule since so many FCS had already bailed.

(08-07-2020 03:17 PM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 03:10 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 10:05 AM)1998JMU Wrote: [ -> ]I still can't get understand why/how VMI leaped over JMU to get the UVA game...or was it UVA leaping to grab VMI rather than play JMU? UVA being minimum travel costs, short bus ride... UNC and UVA games should have been locked-in regardless we play full season or a couple of games to help with that pay check if nothing else....just find it interesting UVA moved so quickly to get VMI.

I have no idea but could it be that VMI says hells yes we want to play the cavs and jmu says I'll get back to you after the situation is monitored?

Sometimes decisive works and other times not, we may never know. If everbody bails, jmu is fine, if every team in virginia is playing football including fcs vs fbs more than usual, then what do we have?

We had a near impossible time getting FBS teams to play us. There was no upside for FBS schools and we would have been hard-pressed to put together a schedule since so many FCS had already bailed.

I would appreciate Bourne stating that he nutted up and tried to schedule fbs games and could not... It makes it much easier to believe.

What would be the harm in saying I tried to schedule fbs games for program progress and fan interest?

I've tried to keep my tone on the boards relatively calm, trying to present objective, scientifically backed perspectives while people share snippets of half of a story they heard someone else tell them that they saw on the news. And quite frankly, I'm over it. Since other people have shared their anecdotal evidence, I'll share mine. I didn't want to share this because I don't want it to be a pity party for me and didn't want to use my own story in a situation that I though could be easily responded to with the best available scientific facts. But I'm sick of hearing the stories about how COVID isn't bad, its just like the flu, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, here it goes.

I may have said this before, but my wife works at a hospital in a non-doctor, non-nurse, patient-forward role. As soon at the pandemic hit, we knew we had dual responsibilities to both our community and the hospital. Just working at the hospital would give her (and indirectly me) an increased risk of getting COVID and spreading it to the community. We also knew that it was important for her not to take it into the hospital to spread it. We took the precautions very seriously, and still do to this day. I haven't had a haircut, eaten inside a restaurant, or gathered in person with friends for about 5 months. There was at least once where she was exposed to someone who later tested positive and we chose to sleep in separate beds and use separate bathrooms as a precaution. After the 14 days of symptom monitoring (she wasn't required to self quarantine because she worked at the hospital), we went back to our normal routine.

When the cases started creeping up in the hospital, she was moved to a role to support doctors and nurses in putting on and taking off their PPE on COVID floors. Basically she sat on the COVID floors for 20-30 hours a week, working in her typical role the other 10-20 hours, making sure the people going in and out of COVID rooms put on their PPE correctly and and taking it off and disposing of it correctly. She also helped supervise the stock of PPE available on the floor. Just the logistics of this were difficult. She was working mornings, nights, and days all in the same week, for several weeks she had no more than a day off in a row. The physical and mental exhaustion of coming home from working in that environment were difficult on her. Luckily I was working from home while this was all going on and could take care of the house while she worked and rested.

From the beginning of March until about the end of June, that was our life. She was working 6 days a week and I was at home by myself with our dog most of that time. Then on Saturday, June 20, she started to not feel well. It started as an elevated temperature (in the 99.0-99.5 range) and sinus congestion with some minor nausea. At that point I think we both new what was happening. We started taking the same precautions as before, sleeping in separate beds and using separate bathrooms, but we started to make sure that one of us was wearing a mask around the other at all times. We sat in the living room contacting her work, doing a teledoc appointment, taking symptom surveys, researching, and no one could really tell us what to do or whether to get tested. Her teledoc told her it was a sinus infection and prescribed her an antibiotic and steroid just in case and at one point, because of the nausea, gave her the run around about being pregnant. On Monday, she finally got a hold of someone at work who asked if she was working on COVID floors and when she answered yes, finally set up a testing appointment.

For the rest of the day Monday she was in denial. "It could come back negative." "I'll start to feel better in a few days." But I think we both knew.

We took her to get tested on Tuesday, June 23. By this point she had mental and physical exhaustion, a loss of appetite, shortness of breath, coughing at night, nausea, and still just a low-grade fever. I drove her to go get tested and we parked behind this doctor's office in a designated spot. A person came out in, essentially, a HAZMAT suit. She confirmed her name and information then took out the testing swab. I knew what was going to happen, so I didn't look, but they shoved the testing swab up her noes and into her nasal cavity. If you've ever had a flu test, they do something similar, it feels like they're trying to probe your brain through your nose.

For the rest of the day and into the next day, more denial. At this point she started to be confined to bed. One night she texted me, "I'm going to try to take a shower." After I heard the water turn off, she texted me again, "I need to lay down, I'm exhausted after my shower." The once or twice a day she would come down stairs, she would be out of breath and would have to stop to sit down because she was dizzy. One time she told me she had to sit down because she was out of breath because she "did a lap around the kitchen." I don't know if you've ever watched a loved one gasp for air, but it's scary, especially when you know you can't physically comfort them.

Either Wednesday or Thursday she got her result, positive for COVID-19. It was her work who had told her of her result and they said someone would call back to ask some questions about who she had been in contact with at the hospital. I could see her trying to go through every interaction she'd had over the past week or so. She started to get scared that she may have unknowingly exposed some of her coworkers, many of whom we are friends with. She started to feel guilty about that one time she took her mask off for a couple of minutes in the break room. She was worried that her coworkers would be mad at her, especially if one of them got really sick or died. At the end of the day it turns out she had been VERY careful at work and some people had to monitor symptoms, but no one got it from her.

The VDH contact tracer didn't call for about 5 days after the positive test. They asked both of us if she had been around anyone unmasked for more than 15 minutes in the two days before her symptoms started. At that point we were in Phase 2, we could have eaten outdoors, eaten indoors, gone to retail stores, gone to the gym, gone to the pool to exercise, or attended church; but we hadn't done any of those things because we knew we had a higher risk of getting it and spreading it. We can confidently say the node ends with us. The VDH contact tracer called me a day after my wife and asked the same questions. They signed me up for a text message based symptom monitoring system and told me to self-quarantine for 14 days after my wife's symptoms had started.

My wife's symptoms persisted for 5 weeks.

5 weeks.

Not 5 days, 5 weeks. In fact according to a study posted on the CDC's website about the duration of symptoms after testing:

Quote:"Not returning to usual health within 2–3 weeks of testing was reported by approximately one third of respondents. Even among young adults aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, nearly one in five reported that they had not returned to their usual state of health 14–21 days after testing."

My wife is 30. She has no preexisting health conditions and does not meet the CDC's criteria for being at risk for getting a severe case of COVID. And, quite frankly, this was still a mild case.

So for 5 weeks I held down the house while my wife stayed in bed for about 85%-90% of the day. We didn't eat in the same room, we didn't sleep in the same room, we didn't hug, we didn't kiss, if we were around each other it was only masked. We didn't do anything for the Fourth of July. I made a steak dinner for our anniversary and we ate it in separate rooms.

Her symptoms just stayed the same for about 4 weeks. We got to the point were we were just letting our parents know if there were any changes because it just kept going.

During the last couple of weeks her energy started to come back. Basically the floor and ceiling of her high and low energy both got higher. But she would have two good days and one really bad day, it was really frustrating for her (she doesn't do being sick very well). It was kind of that upward trajectory like the stock market, ups and downs, but in an upward direction.

We had talked a lot about what a symptom free day would look like. We knew she would be fatigued getting up and walking around because she had been mostly confined to bed for 4 weeks. She started having the physical and mental energy to color and do puzzles, her mood was improving. Her job was to tell me when she thought symptom day one was and my job was to tell her if it wasn't actually symptom day one.

The last few days of her symptoms she got better really quickly. And she experienced her first symptom free day on Friday, July 24. Her return to work criteria was 72 hours without symptoms, so by Monday she was back at work. It was difficult for her to get back into the swing of things both mentally and physically.

As of today she's pretty close to 100%, which is awesome. Somehow I ended up not getting symptoms, I think it was because we were really careful about distancing and mask wearing while she was sick. Moving forward I'm treating it as if I can still get it, because I don't have evidence that I can't. Is it likely that I got it and had it asymptomatically? Yes. But based on what we know right now that's not super helpful information.

Out of an abundance of caution, we're still not sleeping in the same room. I have some health stats that don't rise to the level of the CDC's "at risk" categories, but I'm pretty close. Not to get too personal, but we just kissed again last night for the first time in 6ish weeks. We're around each other unmasked again. It's not back to normal, but it's pretty close.

I don't know what my point about typing this all up was, specifically, but I'm just tired of seeing people taking things out of context or presenting little or no nuance in their arguments. Spare me with the flu comparisons and information about how such and such a type of person shouldn't get such and such a type of sick, I'm done with it.

Please don't get COVID. It's the world's worst slot machine and the prizes all suck. Please don't spread this to people, remember that you're spreading it when you don't know you have it. After you know you've had it, you've probably already spread it. And again, it might not be about you getting it, it might be about spreading it to your neighbor who spreads it to their mom or spreading it to you own mom. This is about a lot more than just you and me.

Mods, if you want to take this down, feel free. And if you made it this far or skipped to the bottom, don't put yourself in a position to get and spread COVID please.

A lot of people don't/won't take something seriously until it personally hits close to home.

I've seen a lot of changed opinions once the virus gets close enough.

(08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270

Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643

Complete garbage stat, driving an agenda that he’s too big of a pu$$y to say directly.

(08-07-2020 03:42 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people don't/won't take something seriously until it personally hits close to home.

I've seen a lot of changed opinions once the virus gets close enough.

these past few months have sadly proved three things to me:

1.) people are WAY, WAY, WAY more selfish than i ever dreamed (and i already knew that people are selfish)
2.) people are WAY, WAY, WAY more naive / stupid than i ever dreamed
3.) people are WAY, WAY, WAY weaker than i ever dreamed (quarantine FATIGUE? SERIOUSLY? we're using "i'm tired of this" as an excuse to act incredibly recklessly? guess what, i'm tired of this too but i'm NOT A TOTAL A-HOLE/MORON SO I'M BEING SAFE FOR BOTH OF US. how WEAK are you???)

our society is f***ed, guys. f***ed. we have the most selfish, self-centered, idiotic society in the history of time. didn't have to be like this. we could have been playing football this fall. instead, we won't. congratulations. go throw a house party to celebrate (note: i am not only blaming one demographic, there are lots of reasons for this colossal failure).

quote/reply to me if you want, i don't give a s**t. i've been mainly staying away from this board and i'll likely go back to doing that now.

EDIT: i just re-read this and want to state that OBVIOUSLY the worst thing that happened is the horrific number of deaths and other complications from the disease. football is what i mentioned because it's a sports message board. obviously, the health of our public is the most important thing.

DukeDogNation, Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised you didn't get tested yourself. My wife just got tested for the first time yesterday even though she also works in healthcare. None of us have had any symptoms so far thankfully.

(08-07-2020 04:29 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]DukeDogNation, Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised you didn't get tested yourself. My wife just got tested for the first time yesterday even though she also works in healthcare. None of us have had any symptoms so far thankfully.

In Virginia you can't get tested without showing symptoms. I could have lied about having symptoms or paid for a private test, but I chose not to. When the test came back positive I called my doctor's office to ask what to do. The nurse suggested I didn't get a rapid test, because they weren't terribly reliable, and to wait until I had symptoms to get tested. You can test too early, not have enough viral load to ping positive, then end up getting symptoms later; so it didn't make sense to get tested.

(08-07-2020 03:58 PM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 02:30 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote: [ -> ]Total Covid 19 deaths (no pre existing condition) of people age 0-24 = 270

Average annual deaths from flu virus age 0-17 = 643

Complete garbage stat, driving an agenda that he’s too big of a pu$$y to say directly.

To counter it with actual numbers - because unfortunately, there are many people who see an unsourced stat on the internet from trolls/infographics and believe they're accurate...

From a 2018 Time magazine article about children's deaths from the flu:

"Most children who get the flu do recover. But thousands are hospitalized every year, and some die from complications. The number of children killed by influenza-related causes per season has ranged over the last decade from a low of 37 (in 2011-2012) to a high of 288 (in 2009-2010).

The current flu season is, so far, on track to be deadlier for children than the previous two. During last year’s flu season, 110 children died from the flu between November 2016 and September 2017, with 17 pediatric deaths reported through the second week of January last year. During the 2015-2016 flu season, 92 children died from the flu, with 10 child deaths by this point in the season.

But there have also been worse seasons in recent years: Compared to the 30 deaths so far in 2017-2018, there were 255 child deaths reported by the same week in 2010. The 2014-2015 flu season was also particularly dangerous, with a total of 148 pediatric deaths, 97 of which were reported by this time in 2015."

https://time.com/5113281/flu-death-toll-children-2018/

(08-07-2020 04:40 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ]In Virginia you can't get tested without showing symptoms. I could have lied about having symptoms or paid for a private test, but I chose not to. When the test came back positive I called my doctor's office to ask what to do. The nurse suggested I didn't get a rapid test, because they weren't terribly reliable, and to wait until I had symptoms to get tested. You can test too early, not have enough viral load to ping positive, then end up getting symptoms later; so it didn't make sense to get tested.

Some virginia doctor offices are offering serology blood draw tests that look for the anti-bodies. This is supposedly reliable, but not particularly fun, and does cost money. Turn around time is typically 1-3 days. It would most likely indicate if you did have it asymptomatically in the past few months. These tests are interesting in that they can indicate whether you have covid currently, or if you had it previously based on different markers/isotopes (IgM, IgA, and IgG)

(08-07-2020 05:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2020 04:40 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote: [ -> ]In Virginia you can't get tested without showing symptoms. I could have lied about having symptoms or paid for a private test, but I chose not to. When the test came back positive I called my doctor's office to ask what to do. The nurse suggested I didn't get a rapid test, because they weren't terribly reliable, and to wait until I had symptoms to get tested. You can test too early, not have enough viral load to ping positive, then end up getting symptoms later; so it didn't make sense to get tested.

Some virginia doctor offices are offering serology blood draw tests that look for the anti-bodies. This is supposedly reliable, but not particularly fun, and does cost money. Turn around time is typically 1-3 days. It would most likely indicate if you did have it asymptomatically in the past few months. These tests are interesting in that they can indicate whether you have covid currently, or if you had it previously based on different markers/isotopes (IgM, IgA, and IgG)

I've considered that, but given that the science is still kind of out on what level of protection you have while antibodies are present and/or after your antibodies leave it just doesn't seem worth it yet.

For now I'll just continue doing what I've been doing which is limiting my interactions with people, sticking to pickup or delivery of food/groceries/etc, distancing when I have to be places, and wearing a mask.

(08-07-2020 04:06 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote: [ -> ]3.) people are WAY, WAY, WAY weaker than i ever dreamed (quarantine FATIGUE? SERIOUSLY? we're using "i'm tired of this" as an excuse to act incredibly recklessly? guess what, i'm tired of this too but i'm NOT A TOTAL A-HOLE/MORON SO I'M BEING SAFE FOR BOTH OF US. how WEAK are you???)

our society is f***ed, guys. f***ed. we have the most selfish, self-centered, idiotic society in the history of time. didn't have to be like this. we could have been playing football this fall. instead, we won't. congratulations. go throw a house party to celebrate (note: i am not only blaming one demographic, there are lots of reasons for this colossal failure).

+1

The same people who for years liked to use the lame label of "snowflake" against others have been exposed to be the biggest bunch of "snowflakes" ever made themselves. Weak morons!