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Some slots are potentially going to open up based on the domino effect of decisions made by the ACC (yesterday) and now reading the SEC is going to announce its scheduling protocols on Friday.

For instance, Notre Dame and Navy have to decide if the Mids will be ND's non-ACC opponent. They've played one another every year since 1927 and I imagine they will do everything they can to continue it. The game would have to be moved to South Bend per ACC rules, though I believe the USNA would be agreeable to that as I imagine they want to continue the series with no interruption as well. But, if for instance, ND decides to go a different route for its lone non-ACC game, the Dukes could be a nice addition to fill that spot with a trip over to Annapolis. And, that's just 1 scenario. I have to believe there may be some other opportunities/openings for JMU to head over to Annapolis for a game as well from other dominos falling schedule-wise.

Having been to multiple games at the USNA, I can easily say it is one of the best venues for college FB and if all that were to fall into place AND Dukes fans have a chance to attend in the stadium (many "ifs" I realize) it is a chance of a lifetime opportunity for any who have never been to a game over there. Very unique. Some of the greatest fans in the world. Tailgating is something to just take in over there.
Side note, there is some rumor going that the SEC is considering a 10-game conference-only scheduling model. If that happens, it kills the in-state ACC-SEC rivalry games (which won't be a popular decision in those states for certain) and the domino effect then goes crazy as the ACC schools scramble to figure out who their home non-ACC opponent is going to be.

The Big 12-2 is apparently planning to announce their approach by middle of next week. Also, I read last night that the SEC was none too pleased that the ACC came out and announced this scheduling scheme yesterday as it now puts the onus and potential blame on the SEC if they choose to cancel games like FSU-UF, GT-UGA, CLEM-SC, etc., by going to a conference-only approach. Big egos and gamesmanship going on. Of course, this all assumes there is an actual season to be played.
(07-30-2020 05:30 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2020 10:18 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2020 09:42 PM)jjthebutcher Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2020 09:08 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]There is no way JMU fills out a schedule by traveling to Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and probably not MTSU.

Why not? $$ games and a 2 hour flight from Shenandoah Valley to the Midwest. Probably safer out here than bussing all over the east coast.

We should think outside the box

Am I missing something? Kansas, K-state and Iowa State already have 12 games scheduled.

Guessing this is based on games they had that will be canceled now. Kansas for instance is losing at least their early season UNH and BC home games.

Ah yeah I was forgetting about BC cancellation. They have already replaced their UNH game with Southern Ill.
(07-29-2020 10:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ]The only way JMU would have 3 FBS games this year is if we had accepted the Sunbelt invite years ago.

3 of the P5 have already gone to conference + 1 OOC/rivalry game. The other two are very likely to follow suit in the next couple days as Sports illustrated is saying the majority of SEC ADs said they want conference only on today's call. The P5s +1/rivalry game is already on their schedule. Those that have already lost their opponent when the MEAC, SWAC, CAA, etc. cancelled, still have 2 other OOCs already under contract. Yes, some teams will be dumped, like say Auburn when UNC decides they want to play us/UConn/UCF instead of them. So absolutely, there will be plenty of teams that now have a free weekend now. Except, a free weekend doesn't matter if you can only can only schedule one OCC. And again, you already have that OCC under contract, such as Auburn still has Southern Miss and UMass under contract to play. So when someone says WVU is looking for a game cause chic fil a kickoff is cancelled, yes, today they might appear to be looking (and actually they aren't cause they know they are likely going conference only +1). But next week when Big 12 is conference only +1, they have EKU and Maryland already under contract. And maybe Maryland is lost due to ACC +1 rules, they still have EKU. Maybe WVU uses all three but IF that happens, I honestly don't think the WVU cares to schedule an OOC game when they still have 9 conference games to play. So scratch all your P5s not named UNC off your wish list.

Due to the above, a lot of G5s will be losing on their payday game/s. Take UCF - they lost both their UNC and GTech games today. They aren't in a position to replace two cancelled cash inflows (P5 payday) with an FCS game that has no ticket sales + guarantee payment to FCS team. Not to mention, they too still have a third OOC game already on the schedule (FIU). I'm sure there will be a G5 team out there that had all 3 of their OOC games cancelled, but I imagine the likelihood that the school is in a financial position to pay an FCS team, wants to still play a September OOC game, and is within a bus ride, is pretty low. Scratch those G5s off your list too.

Now you are left with the independents. ND is set with ACC. BYU and NMSU are out for JMU due to travel. So the only FBS teams that JMU has any real chance with is Liberty, UConn, UMass and Army. Only one of those fits the stated bus ride goal that Bourne mentioned.

I'd love to play 3 FBS games this year. I don't think it is happening.

! agree 100% with your analysis. The ACC revealing their scheduling model, just wiped out a whole slate of G5 and FCS games. So even though UNC has vs JMU under contract, they also have vs UConn too. So those would be the 2 OOC games they'd be picking from. UVA might be looking for an OOC game but they have vs VMI and vs UConn to choose from, then they have @ODU they can flip to a home game. There are alot of open dates now---but ambiguously, there are not.

When the SEC and B12 announce a similar scheduling model, more G5 and FCS games will be wiped out. Without those $$ games, you could see the domino's really start to fall as FCS teams and conferences cancel seasons because they see no benefit in continuing their seasons without those P5 body-bag $$ games. Then a bunch of potential FCS opponents, who had open dates when the P5 schedules were modified, will be wiped out

That would leave the G5 to soldier on, which I guess they would do, but with some kind of conference only scheduling model. The G5's will be losing those $$ body-bag games too, so what will be their decision to mitigate that? I'm sure they won't be paying FCS teams to fill scheduling holes. The MAC and MWC conference basically have tight geographic fits, so they could go to a conference only model without too much hassle. But the CUSA, Sun Belt, AAC are far flung geographic conferences, I guess they'd have to come up with some type of flexible scheduling model.
Take App State for instance---here is their conference slate
Vs LA-Laf
@ Geo SO
vs Ark State
@ LA-M
@ Tex State
vs Geo State
@ Coastal
vs Troy

Because of travel and loss of $$ do they dump LA-Laf, Ark ST, LA-M?? Do they replace them with H&H with Coastal, Geo So, Geo St?? Or does this give JMU an opportunity to slide in??

The same goes for ODU, Marshall, Charlotte, Coastal, ECU, etc---Do they replace far out travel conference games with more regional opponents? And do those games become H&H with more regional conference mates? Or does that open a spot for JMU? Even if it does open a spot for JMU, I wouldn't expect these G5 schools to be too generous with their payouts.

Hopefully, enough FCS teams can hang on (Looks more doubtful by the minute) for JMU to schedule them as opponents. If I was Bourne, I wouldn't be against putting the team on a plane to pick up a P5 body-bag game or 2, if that remains a possibility. If I was Bourne, somehow coming up with a way to schedule games with FBS independents---Liberty, UMass, UConn---maybe through neutral sites/cost sharing would be on the table.

***t always rolls downhill. The P5 (Autonomy 5) has just cut the umbilical cord and sent the rest of college football on their own. I always believed JMU was enthusiastically ready, able and willing to play---But I always feared that without a conference, as each domino fell, JMU's opportunity to schedule games would slowly fade away.
If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.
(07-30-2020 07:46 AM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.

03-phew 04-cheers
(07-28-2020 11:41 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ]Alabama: Playing as planned, two counties have cancelled [new][/i]

Now a third FWIW... https://www.al.com/highschoolsports/2020...demic.html
(07-30-2020 07:46 AM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.

Good thought. I think not declaring FBS Indy intentions before August precludes this without some kind of waiver.
Regular season NBA resumes tonight which is a plus as far as moving forward. But, they are doing so in an isolated bubble in Florida. Still struggle with NBA is requiring so many precautions, but college football it appears is full speed ahead. Football will certainly be the most challenging sports for obvious reasons. Also - I could certainly see why this thing could spread at an even higher pace nationally once students return to college. Within 48 hours, or perhaps 48 seconds, of getting back to college towns social distancing will fly out the window.

#Reality

Especially with no unified national direction.
(07-30-2020 08:14 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 07:46 AM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.

Good thought. I think not declaring FBS Indy intentions before August precludes this without some kind of waiver.

If - and that's the key word - JMU could somehow create a schedule with as many D1A teams as possible, at the absolute minimum it will provide more/better exposure for the program and university. And, by absolute minimum I mean potential for games being televised and more than anything just being talked about. But, I can also see a scenario where a story could develop around "look at this program rising from the ranks, playing with less scholarships and giving these larger programs fits week after week...and, on the road most of the time too."

But then, I wake up from my dream. 04-cheers

Seriously, I hope we go for it. We can always just claim a national title like UCF.
(07-30-2020 08:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 08:14 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 07:46 AM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.

Good thought. I think not declaring FBS Indy intentions before August precludes this without some kind of waiver.

If - and that's the key word - JMU could somehow create a schedule with as many D1A teams as possible, at the absolute minimum it will provide more/better exposure for the program and university. And, by absolute minimum I mean potential for games being televised and more than anything just being talked about. But, I can also see a scenario where a story could develop around "look at this program rising from the ranks, playing with less scholarships and giving these larger programs fits week after week...and, on the road most of the time too."

But then, I wake up from my dream. 04-cheers

Seriously, I hope we go for it. We can always just claim a national title like UCF.

Ignoring the unlikely move to transition to FBS this year, I think the value of playing a largely FBS schedule this year is WAY higher than shifting to spring in pursuit of an NCAA championship (that will probably also be canceled).
(07-30-2020 08:36 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 08:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 08:14 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 07:46 AM)JMUNation Wrote: [ -> ]If the season happens this year, JMU could announce they are going FBS and use it as their transition year. This would be the perfect transition season as I believe the FCS championship will be cancelled so they give up nothing.

Good thought. I think not declaring FBS Indy intentions before August precludes this without some kind of waiver.

If - and that's the key word - JMU could somehow create a schedule with as many D1A teams as possible, at the absolute minimum it will provide more/better exposure for the program and university. And, by absolute minimum I mean potential for games being televised and more than anything just being talked about. But, I can also see a scenario where a story could develop around "look at this program rising from the ranks, playing with less scholarships and giving these larger programs fits week after week...and, on the road most of the time too."

But then, I wake up from my dream. 04-cheers

Seriously, I hope we go for it. We can always just claim a national title like UCF.

Ignoring the unlikely move to transition to FBS this year, I think the value of playing a largely FBS schedule this year is WAY higher than shifting to spring in pursuit of an NCAA championship (that will probably also be canceled).

Yep. I'm not even thinking about the spring or transitioning to D1A or anything like that quite frankly. Just thinking about this fall. I know I may be alone on this, but just being honest...how "exciting" and potential exposure opportunities is completely dependent (to me at least) on not just playing a largely D1A schedule but the WHO we are playing in that largely D1A schedule.

Meaning, I won't get excited about a schedule made up of ODU, Liberty, and the like. Likely neither will ESPN or other talking heads that get a lot of attention over the airwaves. But, if we get a schedule that includes the likes of UNCheat, Navy, EZU, one or two other P5's, another AAC, etc., then that is entirely different. Heck, I'd get more jacked up if we could schedule a game against NDSU than the crap stains of the G5. 04-cheers

One more time...that's just me.
Not sure people wanting a spring season are thinking about the fall 21 season. You're asking kids to play basically a full season then turn around and start another 2 months later (assuming the season ends around May). God forbid a kid tears an acl in march, he essentially loses two seasons. If we arent able to play this fall just pack it in and gear up for next year. It sucks but I think that's the best way to move forward
(07-30-2020 09:52 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure people wanting a spring season are thinking about the fall 21 season. You're asking kids to play basically a full season then turn around and start another 2 months later (assuming the season ends around May). God forbid a kid tears an acl in march, he essentially loses two seasons. If we arent able to play this fall just pack it in and gear up for next year. It sucks but I think that's the best way to move forward

I think that if there is no fall season and there is a spring season, JMU would opt to play in the spring. Too much interest and money involved to voluntarily sit out if your CAA and FCS rivals are playing. Plus maybe a better chance of more fans being able to go. I am hoping there is a fall season and that we get to play at UNC and UVA (both possibilities from what I am reading). Wish we still had DiNucci, Stapleton, Daka, Carter, etc. to face them though. UNC will be ranked in the top 15-20 at the start of the season.

It would be good for the roughly 25 seniors on the 2020 roster to play their final season too. Who knows how many of those 25 (assuming they are graduating in the 20-21 school year) would even come back for the 2021 season if there is no 2020 season. Some or most may want or need to move on with their lives and get a job after they graduate this coming school year.
(07-30-2020 10:21 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote: [ -> ]I am hoping there is a fall season and that we get to play at UNC and UVA (both possibilities from what I am reading).

Landing a game at UVA would be amazing, the first time in many decades. Would be a sellout I think, to the extent that capacity/spacing will allow.
To me, the NCAA has to step up and make a decision very soon on whether there will be FCS playoffs this fall, maybe next spring, or not at all. Otherwise, I don’t think teams like JMU can complete their schedule.

If the NCAA announces next week that there will be no FCS playoffs this fall and that they may happen in the spring, it may not affect JMU wanting to play this fall, but I would think some teams or conferences like the SoCon or Bug South would take that news and say that they are moving things to the spring. Make a decision.

Of course, you probably read that the NCAA head Emmert made some comments/mistakes about FCS football that people are all mad about. He said that the FCS playoffs are a 20-team (wrong), round-robin (wrong) tournament. It leaves you thinking that FCS football is not even on their radar.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.college-s...caa/%3famp
(07-30-2020 11:01 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, you probably read that the NCAA head Emmert made some comments/mistakes about FCS football that people are all mad about. He said that the FCS playoffs are a 20-team (wrong), round-robin (wrong) tournament. It leaves you thinking that FCS football is not even on their radar.

It’s not. One needs only to try to enter the championship game to realize this. Or see the complete lack of response to legitimate concerns about that event.
(07-30-2020 10:28 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-30-2020 10:21 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote: [ -> ]I am hoping there is a fall season and that we get to play at UNC and UVA (both possibilities from what I am reading).

Landing a game at UVA would be amazing, the first time in many decades. Would be a sellout I think, to the extent that capacity/spacing will allow.

I wonder what VMI's approach is going to be? If they drop this fall, that creates at least 1 opening for JMU at Charlottesville as that option goes away for UVA. And, wouldn't it be interesting that both UNCheat and UVA may decide between UCONN and JMU? It'd be kinda funny if UCONN shuts down too.
Just a quick MLB update...

Seems to be some speculation out there UConn could drop back to FCS. Recent game contracts they have signed have contingencies for this.

https://theathletic.com/1863248/2020/06/...contracts/
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