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NFL is evaluating use of "mouth shields"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2899...=editorial

No fall sports for Hampton:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/ham...-football/

That Hampton decision is interesting. They’re the first individual school that I know of choosing to cancel their season independent of their conference’s decision.

What that says to me is that they’re not aligned with the majority of big south schools who are choosing to try and still hold whatever type of season they can. They may also feel the big south is taking too long to make a decision and didn’t want to bring student athletes back early unnecessarily.

(07-13-2020 08:21 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote: [ -> ]University of Richmond football players were scheduled to return on Wednesday, but their admin announced tonight that the players will not be returning. Rumors are out there that the CAA will announce soon that they will play only conference games starting on 10/3 and going every Saturday for 8 weeks.

Maybe just delaying the inevitable. If they do that, there may need to be home and homes with local teams like UR and W&M.

A delay would likely mean that JMU players would go home and come back to campus at a later date.

For what it is worth, UR basketball players will return on Wednesday as scheduled.

Source is Times Dispatch.

If we go to a conference only schedule (if there is any sort of season), there most likely wont be a playoff this season. Is it more beneficial to JMU for the CAA to not play at all and not have the players lose a year of eligibility for what is essentially a season of scrimmages? Don't get me wrong i would love to have sports back in some capacity but taking my preferences out of it I'm wondering what would be best for the team.

I'd rather have a NC than another conference title especially one with an asterisk since im sure each team will be playing without a full roster every week

with no end in sight to spreading COVID-19, this eligibility debate could get interesting. Even if a vaccine is ready this year, until it's produced and scaled to the point of vaccinating everybody who wants it or needs it. Starting to look like there will be an entire year of athletes who could be involved in eligibility questions. What if it goes into next season? Are we going to let 2 years of softball classes hang around? What about football? With budgets being exposed schools won't be able to afford it, and athletes will have to come to terms with a passion for their sport versus entering the professional world. Lots of thought provoking scenarios.

It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

(07-14-2020 08:29 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote: [ -> ]with no end in sight to spreading COVID-19, this eligibility debate could get interesting. Even if a vaccine is ready this year, until it's produced and scaled to the point of vaccinating everybody who wants it or needs it. Starting to look like there will be an entire year of athletes who could be involved in eligibility questions. What if it goes into next season? Are we going to let 2 years of softball classes hang around? What about football? With budgets being exposed schools won't be able to afford it, and athletes will have to come to terms with a passion for their sport versus entering the professional world. Lots of thought provoking scenarios.

If a season is cancelled (or two), I don't know how they cannot dismiss those years of eligibility that are lost. Those choices were not the player's fault. IMO, those players should have the opportunity to have those years of eligibility.
As a result, I do believe there will be a few years where the NCAA is going to have to allow larger rosters due to this.
As a result, I do think it's going to screw with those underclassmen that will not be impacted. They will still have the same 4 years, but will have to compete against more upperclassmen. Perhaps they change redshirt rules?
If the NCAA grants those extra eligibility years (which they should), it seems like the schools should be granted compensation for those additional scholarships that they will be spending. I think this is probably very unlikely. As a result, I think a lot more schools will be in dire situations where they may have no options but to cut funding to their sports, their athletic programs, or even perhaps move down a division just to stay alive.
I guess the point is that there are a LOT of things to consider. One thing is certain: whenever things are back to full speed, the sports landscape is going to look drastically different. My hope is that we are able to make it out of this unscathed.

The reports of people getting it twice seem so few and far between that its either a false positive (the first or second positive) or rare enough occurrence it shouldn't affect the population. It is likely we will have to take the vaccine yearly. At least one of the vaccines even has a booster you take a month later to keep up your antibodies. Even if protection is shorter lived eventually I assume we could come up with the manufacturing needed to produce enough of the vaccine to protect most as often as needed. We won't know how long the vaccines really protect you until needles are in arms. The vaccines will change/improve as we go.

Editors note I have zero qualifications to make any of the statements I've made above other than hours of reading daily as my 3 year old watches the IPAD and my 8 year old does google classroom work.

One of many concerns with losing athletics for year, is not only losing gate/tv revenue, but also having to carry additional scholarships since you have a new class of players coming in with a lot of Seniors coming back for another year of sports.

If a college normally covers 500 athletic scholarships, I could see the same college needing to cover 575 in 2021-2022 and that could take a few years to flush through additional scholarships.

I think kids deserve extra years of eligibility if they want it but most schools wont be able to afford it.

Richmond has a great CBB team coming back with as much returning production as is even possible. Terrible timing. Terrible year.

(07-14-2020 08:47 AM)UofRfan Wrote: [ -> ]The reports of people getting it twice seem so few and far between that its either a false positive (the first or second positive) or rare enough occurrence it shouldn't affect the population. It is likely we will have to take the vaccine yearly. At least one of the vaccines even has a booster you take a month later to keep up your antibodies. Even if protection is shorter lived eventually I assume we could come up with the manufacturing needed to produce enough of the vaccine to protect most as often as needed. We won't know how long the vaccines really protect you until needles are in arms. The vaccines will change/improve as we go.

Editors note I have zero qualifications to make any of the statements I've made above other than hours of reading daily as my 3 year old watches the IPAD and my 8 year old does google classroom work.

There are 11 vaccines in Phase 2 testing, and 4 in Phase 3. The trials should provide some of these answers.

I find it highly unlikely the vaccine won't last at least a year, and it may be effective longer than that. Trials will provide some answers, though we obviously won't wait until a year after phase 3 to start vaccinations.

(07-14-2020 08:47 AM)UofRfan Wrote: [ -> ]The reports of people getting it twice seem so few and far between that its either a false positive (the first or second positive) or rare enough occurrence it shouldn't affect the population. It is likely we will have to take the vaccine yearly. At least one of the vaccines even has a booster you take a month later to keep up your antibodies. Even if protection is shorter lived eventually I assume we could come up with the manufacturing needed to produce enough of the vaccine to protect most as often as needed. We won't know how long the vaccines really protect you until needles are in arms. The vaccines will change/improve as we go.

Editors note I have zero qualifications to make any of the statements I've made above other than hours of reading daily as my 3 year old watches the IPAD and my 8 year old does google classroom work.

I agree there are few reports, and it would be rare for a virus to act like that - But with it being out for less than 6 months, and testing really ramping up only the last two months, we really would not yet know.

(07-14-2020 08:39 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

Also if you breath in the virus and have already had the virus maybe the test just shows that you had that virus in your nasal cavity on the day tested. So much unknown and undisclosed by the powers that be at this time. So much politicizing this virus who really knows how bad it really is. It kills it, doesn't kill, I'm so damned tiered of this I could just scream.

Same.

(07-14-2020 09:18 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 08:39 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

Also if you breath in the virus and have already had the virus maybe the test just shows that you had that virus in your nasal cavity on the day tested. So much unknown and undisclosed by the powers that be at this time. So much politicizing this virus who really knows how bad it really is. It kills it, doesn't kill, I'm so damned tiered of this I could just scream.

The death rates are definitely dropping as our doctors learn more about what effective treatments are. For instance, they have learned immediately ventilating is not good for patient outcomes if oxygen is sufficient. They are also learning steroids are helpful, and there is a trial underway to use asthma inhalers (which have nebulized steroids).

There is also research that seems to indicate that with this particular virus we can achieve community "herd immunity" at 20% or less. I have seen speculation that NYC has reached this point, and may not see a second wave. Death rates dropped to zero in NYC the other day.

(07-14-2020 09:26 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:18 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 08:39 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

Also if you breath in the virus and have already had the virus maybe the test just shows that you had that virus in your nasal cavity on the day tested. So much unknown and undisclosed by the powers that be at this time. So much politicizing this virus who really knows how bad it really is. It kills it, doesn't kill, I'm so damned tiered of this I could just scream.

The death rates are definitely dropping as our doctors learn more about what effective treatments are. For instance, they have learned immediately ventilating is not good for patient outcomes if oxygen is sufficient. They are also learning steroids are helpful, and there is a trial underway to use asthma inhalers (which have nebulized steroids).

There is also research that seems to indicate that with this particular virus we can achieve community "herd immunity" at 20% or less. I have seen speculation that NYC has reached this point, and may not see a second wave. Death rates dropped to zero in NYC the other day.

I've not seen anything like that. I'm guessing that did not come from the White House Task force or the CDC.

NY - certainly tied things down more than most, if not all, states in the last few months. I would think that had a lot to do with it. I'm guessing since NY is quarantining incoming travelers from many states they are not believing that.

(07-14-2020 09:56 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:26 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:18 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 08:39 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

Also if you breath in the virus and have already had the virus maybe the test just shows that you had that virus in your nasal cavity on the day tested. So much unknown and undisclosed by the powers that be at this time. So much politicizing this virus who really knows how bad it really is. It kills it, doesn't kill, I'm so damned tiered of this I could just scream.

The death rates are definitely dropping as our doctors learn more about what effective treatments are. For instance, they have learned immediately ventilating is not good for patient outcomes if oxygen is sufficient. They are also learning steroids are helpful, and there is a trial underway to use asthma inhalers (which have nebulized steroids).

There is also research that seems to indicate that with this particular virus we can achieve community "herd immunity" at 20% or less. I have seen speculation that NYC has reached this point, and may not see a second wave. Death rates dropped to zero in NYC the other day.

I've not seen anything like that. I'm guessing that did not come from the White House Task force or the CDC.

NY - certainly tied things down more than most, if not all, states in the last few months. I would think that had a lot to do with it. I'm guessing since NY is quarantining incoming travelers from many states they are not believing that.

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/wp-content...Lewis2.pdf

This is a link to one of the papers on herd immunity. It is believed Sweden has reached this point, and potentially NYC also. There are other papers out there too reaching similar conclusions, believe at least one was from research at VT, though don't have a link to it handy.

Here’s a link to a different topic, where VT research is showing TB vaccine may be helping. There’s a lot of interesting work being done at VT on COVID : https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2020/07/c...covid.html

(07-14-2020 10:07 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nicholaslewis.org/wp-content...Lewis2.pdf

This is a link to one of the papers on herd immunity. It is believed Sweden has reached this point, and potentially NYC also. There are other papers out there too reaching similar conclusions, believe at least one was from research at VT, though don't have a link to it handy.

Let's use a pretty basic research skill here, evaluating the credibility of the author, on the article you linked.

Who is Nicholas Lewis?

When I go to his website, nicholaslewis.org, he is listed as "Nicholas Lewis, an independent Climate Science Researcher, based in the UK." Okay. No mention of his credentials, where he went to school, what degrees he has, his CV, etc. When I google Nicholas Lewis I find his personal website, but the only two results in the first three pages outside of that which relate to who this Nicholas Lewis is are a one hour long Youtube video showing him speak about how zero emissions aren't necessary by 2050 or this website from the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which seems to be an interest group in the UK opposed to policies aimed at addressing climate change, saying that he refuted evidence from a scholarly article cited by the New York Times on the issue of ocean warming.

So then I look on his list of "Peer reviewed publications." His last article submission to a peer reviewed journal is from 2018 to the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate. That page links me to a "Supporting Information" paper which cites Nicholas Lewis as a co-author, listing his information as a footnote which reads "Corresponding Author: Nicholas Lewis, Bath, United Kingdom. Email: nhlewis@btinternet.com". His most recent submission to a peer reviewed journal was a 2019 reply to a criticism to his 2018 article.

I did google "Nicholas Lewis Bath England" and the only information I find, from non-reliable sources and some cursory research is that Nicholas Lewis may be a "semiretired successful financier from Bath, England who appears to be among the "climate change de-emphasis" crowd" and that he hosted a meeting of "climate skeptics and climate scientists" in 2014.

After some of those google searches google did suggest that I look at his book "Oversensitive: How the IPCC Hid the Good News on Global Warming", which I did. In the "About the Authors" section it says that Nic Lewis " studied mathematics and
physics at Cambridge University." Why it doesn't say that on his website or list those credentials on the PDF he lists as his most recent peer reviewed journal article, I'm not sure.

But as best we can gather is that Nicholas Lewis is someone who has some training in mathematics and physics at Cambridge University, but does not list a degree, certificate, or any specific level of training. From about 2011 to 2019 he's been an active climate skeptic, and according to his website in March 2020 he started self-publishing articles on COVID-19. All of the COVID-19 articles seem to, rightly or wrongly, contradict or criticize the accepted understanding of COVID-19 or COVID-19 policies.

It would seem to a reasonable reader that Nicholas Lewis lacks any training relevant to the COVID-19 crisis. I'm not saying that there's not room to be critical of COVID-19 research, the policies surrounding our response to COVID-19, or even climate science. Because COVID-19 is such a new disease, our understanding of it is changing and as such our response changes.

Since this is a JMU message board, I would like to point everyone toward JMU Libraries' Madison Research Essential Toolkit website, which has some short videos that address scholarly research, including how to evaluate the credibility of information sources. The website covers the basics of research at the college-level and is the guide for students to pass the Madison Research Essentials Skills Test (MREST), a graduation requirement for first year students at JMU on informational literacy.

(07-14-2020 10:07 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:56 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:26 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 09:18 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2020 08:39 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like there are a ton of unknowns but question -

There are getting to be reports where people are getting it for a second time. If that is the case, does that mean a vaccine would not work - or only work for a short time?

Also if you breath in the virus and have already had the virus maybe the test just shows that you had that virus in your nasal cavity on the day tested. So much unknown and undisclosed by the powers that be at this time. So much politicizing this virus who really knows how bad it really is. It kills it, doesn't kill, I'm so damned tiered of this I could just scream.

The death rates are definitely dropping as our doctors learn more about what effective treatments are. For instance, they have learned immediately ventilating is not good for patient outcomes if oxygen is sufficient. They are also learning steroids are helpful, and there is a trial underway to use asthma inhalers (which have nebulized steroids).

There is also research that seems to indicate that with this particular virus we can achieve community "herd immunity" at 20% or less. I have seen speculation that NYC has reached this point, and may not see a second wave. Death rates dropped to zero in NYC the other day.

I've not seen anything like that. I'm guessing that did not come from the White House Task force or the CDC.

NY - certainly tied things down more than most, if not all, states in the last few months. I would think that had a lot to do with it. I'm guessing since NY is quarantining incoming travelers from many states they are not believing that.

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/wp-content...Lewis2.pdf

This is a link to one of the papers on herd immunity. It is believed Sweden has reached this point, and potentially NYC also. There are other papers out there too reaching similar conclusions, believe at least one was from research at VT, though don't have a link to it handy.

No offense, but that is not one of the 1,000s of reports I will be following.

Some of the misc. reports may end up being true, but I'll wait until they are widely embraced and that is far from the case in that situation.

I consider my beliefs to be pretty down the middle, and not based on politics.

Here's where I'm at:

- Us handling cases is much improved multiple times over than what it was in March. New drugs & new procedures.

- We've also improved significantly high risk areas such as nursing homes with new procedures

- Europe's cases have not only flattened, but decreased about 8 fold since March. Our cases have increased. It's because they had better direction from the top and took it serious.

- There is big benefit to a huge reduction in cases, versus a big increase in cases.
- The difference is increased cases lead to more deaths, slowed economy, and related to this forum, a delay in college sports.

Wearing masks and social distancing is common sense. The delay has a lot to do with our increased cases versus reduced cases in much of the world.

How in the world did social distancing and wearing masks during a pandemic become political?

Testing is a benefit, not a detriment. We need more, and we need the results sooner than 5-7 days.

And finally - I believe reducing cases, by taking common sense approaches with masks and spacing will save lives and get us back to where they were much faster than the course taken in the south which is causing everyone to have to back track on the stages.

Also - it's not just the deaths to be concerned about. It's also the hospitalizations and (short term and long term) damage this does to people who survive the virus.

There are a number of researchers that are publishing work suggesting the sub 20% threshold for herd immunity, with the most common number being 17%. NYC is believed to have reached 25% infection.

Names I *think* I’ve seen associated with this:
Gabriela Gomes - Liverpool
Kate Langwig - VT

Sorry I don’t have time to assemble a full list of articles or vet all papers.

Proof is in the pudding to me. If the numbers in both Sweden and NYC stay low, that is highly suggestive herd immunity has been reached.