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(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

You can always be detained for having two forms of conflicting (or even non conflicting in the case of old drivers licenses) identification. It speaks to the inefficiency of the current "on-boarding" process that this guy was held in deplorable conditions for longer than necessary.
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.
(07-27-2019 04:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Just read a news story about Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old American citizen, who was detained for 23 days because of suspicions that he was an illegal immigrant, despite having three forms of valid ID on him when stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. Regardless of the conditions he was kept in (they were apparently bad enough for him to lose 20+ lbs), it is rather shocking that a citizen was detained so long, based solely on the suspicion he was an illegal immigrant.

(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...831431001/

The writer of this editorial seems to insinuate that John Cornyn and Ted Cruz are too afraid to speak up. And he's a Republican. Or at least he was up until a few years ago.
Tanq mentioned that he gets asked for ID sometimes when leaving the frontier area.

Lots of Mexicans are blonde, blue eyed, light skinned, whatever. Only a racist would think that one can tell a Mexican or an American by sight.

One of my contacts in Mexico was a blonde blue eyed 6’ 4” fourth generation Mexican named Gustavo Snellenberger who spoke no English.
(07-27-2019 07:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.

I use the same sources that Donald Trump uses for his tweets. In other words, I just throw **** at the wall and hope it sticks. After all, he said this morning that Maryland's 7th District is the worst in the US and is far worse than the Southern Border.
(07-27-2019 08:28 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.

I use the same sources that Donald Trump uses for his tweets. In other words, I just throw **** at the wall and hope it sticks. After all, he said this morning that Maryland's 7th District is the worst in the US and is far worse than the Southern Border.


I probably would prefer to live on the southern border, as that was where I was born and raised. Lots of family still there, both north and south of the Rio. Some are even (gasp!) Mexicans.

Some parts of the border are nicer than others, just as some parts of Maryland are nicer than others.

I don’t know what the 7th district of Maryland is like. Apparently you do. But I know what the border is like. Do you?

A severe case of TDS is seeping through your posts.
(07-27-2019 08:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 08:28 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.

I use the same sources that Donald Trump uses for his tweets. In other words, I just throw **** at the wall and hope it sticks. After all, he said this morning that Maryland's 7th District is the worst in the US and is far worse than the Southern Border.


I probably would prefer to live on the southern border, as that was where I was born and raised. Lots of family still there, both north and south of the Rio. Some are even (gasp!) Mexicans.

Some parts of the border are nicer than others, just as some parts of Maryland are nicer than others.

I don’t know what the 7th district of Maryland is like. Apparently you do. But I know what the border is like. Do you?

A severe case of TDS is seeping through your posts.

It doesn't matter whether I've been to those places-I didn't write the original tweet. The more important question is has Trump been to either place? That's the question you need to be asking yourself.
(07-27-2019 09:05 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 08:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 08:28 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.

I use the same sources that Donald Trump uses for his tweets. In other words, I just throw **** at the wall and hope it sticks. After all, he said this morning that Maryland's 7th District is the worst in the US and is far worse than the Southern Border.


I probably would prefer to live on the southern border, as that was where I was born and raised. Lots of family still there, both north and south of the Rio. Some are even (gasp!) Mexicans.

Some parts of the border are nicer than others, just as some parts of Maryland are nicer than others.

I don’t know what the 7th district of Maryland is like. Apparently you do. But I know what the border is like. Do you?

A severe case of TDS is seeping through your posts.

It doesn't matter whether I've been to those places-I didn't write the original tweet. The more important question is has Trump been to either place? That's the question you need to be asking yourself.

He made Claims, you made claims. Since they are opposite, one or both of you are wrong. Trump has lived in the area of Maryland and has visited the border, so I think he is better informed.
(07-27-2019 08:28 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?

Apparently. FBO said that was Trump’s wet dream world. I am wondering the source for that.

I use the same sources that Donald Trump uses for his tweets. In other words, I just throw **** at the wall and hope it sticks. After all, he said this morning that Maryland's 7th District is the worst in the US and is far worse than the Southern Border.

So since you called him insane, what does that say about what you're doing?

Some moron writes an op ed and you think that's evidence?


Look at the information that has been presented about this one individual...

His mother is not a citizen... and she used a name, apparently other than her legal name on his birth certificate... and then despite him having a US passport, she files for a visa for him from Mexico.... Two VERY meaningful problems, and ESPECIALLY common in regions identified by THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as being at significant risk of identity theft/false identities. All you have to do is listen to the Congresswoman from Michigan's story about having a cultural marriage and then another one, plus different names for the same person etc etc to know that there are places and cultures in this world where identity is not nearly as clear as it should be in the 21st century. That's not an indictment of the people nor their culture, it is merely a barrier to clarity and trust in what has become a very fluid and dangerous world.

If you go on ancestry.com, most Americans (of every race and culture) can trace their lineage back numerous generations through court records showing birth names, marriages, new birth names etc etc etc.... This is something that we find comfort in... right or wrong... and is the basis of legal immigration.

Who are you?
What kind of person were you in your previous country?
Were you a criminal? A killer? A terrorist? A saint? You claim to be persecuted, so does that government have records on you?

SO in terms of this guy...
Is he a citizen or not? One valid document says yes. One says no. His mother has already admitted to falsifying (in our legal sense) official identity documents. Did she do it twice? I mean, she was willing to do it simply so her son could make a short visit home... to think that getting US citizenship for her son wouldn't be as good a reason to lie?

Nobody is happy that this guy is in this situation. It's nobody's wet dream. There are certainly people who don't have compassion for him/his mother... because they CLEARLY tried to game the system somehow.... but he's either a citizen being detained (which isn't good) or he's been living here illegally for years. Either way, his situation is of his (family's) own doing, and not the result of some issues with US immigration policy.
“Nobody is happy that this guy is in this situation. It's nobody's wet dream.”

True. Asserting that this kind of thing brings joy to Trump is just a manifestation of TDS. Those kinds of statements may fly at a county Democratic committee meeting, everyone will chuckle and say so true, but in an open forum, they will be challenged. FBO still has not given me a source for this statement. I want to know his source for that statement.

I also would like to know where he would rather move to, if he had to, El Paso, Texas or the Seventh District of Maryland. Give us the basis for your choice.

I would chose El Paso. One of the safest towns in the US.

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/l...556070002/

I don’t see Baltimore on that list. I guess your only reason to disagree would be that Trump said it.
First off, I'm in the majority of Americans who disapprove of President Trump. You can call it what you want, but 421 pages of Trump love in this thread obviously isn't anywhere close to what the rest of the country thinks. You guys continue to support him and I'll continue to call you crazy and misguided. No tag teaming is going to change my mind there. Let the chips fall where they will in November, 2020.

In terms of his latest insanity, I'll let the Baltimore Sun editorial board sum it up.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/edi...story.html

In case anyone missed it, the president of the United States had some choice words to describe Maryland’s 7th congressional district on Saturday morning. Here are the key phrases: “no human being would want to live there,” it is a “very dangerous & filthy place,” “Worst in the USA” and, our personal favorite: It is a “rat and rodent infested mess.” He wasn’t really speaking of the 7th as a whole. He failed to mention Ellicott City, for example, or Baldwin or Monkton or Prettyboy, all of which are contained in the sprawling yet oddly-shaped district that runs from western Howard County to southern Harford County. No, Donald Trump’s wrath was directed at Baltimore and specifically at Rep. Elijah Cummings, the 68-year-old son of a former South Carolina sharecropper who has represented the district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1996.

It’s not hard to see what’s going on here. The congressman has been a thorn in this president’s side, and Mr. Trump sees attacking African American members of Congress as good politics, as it both warms the cockles of the white supremacists who love him and causes so many of the thoughtful people who don’t to scream. President Trump bad-mouthed Baltimore in order to make a point that the border camps are “clean, efficient & well run," which, of course, they are not — unless you are fine with all the overcrowding, squalor, cages and deprivation to be found in what the Department of Homeland Security’s own inspector-general recently called “a ticking time bomb."

In pointing to the 7th, the president wasn’t hoping his supporters would recognize landmarks like Johns Hopkins Hospital, perhaps the nation’s leading medical center. He wasn’t conjuring images of the U.S. Social Security Administration, where they write the checks that so many retired and disabled Americans depend upon. It wasn’t about the beauty of the Inner Harbor or the proud history of Fort McHenry. And it surely wasn’t about the economic standing of a district where the median income is actually above the national average. No, he was returning to an old standby of attacking an African American lawmaker from a majority black district on the most emotional and bigoted of arguments. It was only surprising that there wasn’t room for a few classic phrases like “you people” or “welfare queens” or “crime-ridden ghettos” or a suggestion that the congressman “go back” to where he came from.

This is a president who will happily debase himself at the slightest provocation. And given Mr. Cummings’ criticisms of U.S. border policy, the various investigations he has launched as chairman of the House Oversight Committee, his willingness to call Mr. Trump a racist for his recent attacks on the freshmen congresswomen, and the fact that “Fox & Friends” had recently aired a segment critical of the city, slamming Baltimore must have been irresistible in a Pavlovian way. Fox News rang the bell, the president salivated and his thumbs moved across his cell phone into action.

As heartening as it has been to witness public figures rise to Charm City’s defense on Saturday, from native daughter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Mayor Bernard C. “Jack” Young, we would above all remind Mr. Trump that the 7th District, Baltimore included, is part of the United States that he is supposedly governing. The White House has far more power to affect change in this city, for good or ill, than any single member of Congress including Mr. Cummings. If there are problems here, rodents included, they are as much his responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land.

Finally, while we would not sink to name-calling in the Trumpian manner — or ruefully point out that he failed to spell the congressman’s name correctly (it’s Cummings, not Cumming) — we would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are “good people” among murderous neo-Nazis that he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post. Or that he possesses a scintilla of integrity. Better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one.
(07-27-2019 09:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]First off, I'm in the majority of Americans who disapprove of President Trump. You can call it what you want, but 421 pages of Trump love in this thread obviously isn't anywhere close to what the rest of the country thinks. You guys continue to support him and I'll continue to call you crazy and misguided. No tag teaming is going to change my mind there. Let the chips fall where they will in November, 2020.

In terms of his latest insanity, I'll let the Baltimore Sun editorial board sum it up.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/edi...story.html

In case anyone missed it, the president of the United States had some choice words to describe Maryland’s 7th congressional district on Saturday morning. Here are the key phrases: “no human being would want to live there,” it is a “very dangerous & filthy place,” “Worst in the USA” and, our personal favorite: It is a “rat and rodent infested mess.” He wasn’t really speaking of the 7th as a whole. He failed to mention Ellicott City, for example, or Baldwin or Monkton or Prettyboy, all of which are contained in the sprawling yet oddly-shaped district that runs from western Howard County to southern Harford County. No, Donald Trump’s wrath was directed at Baltimore and specifically at Rep. Elijah Cummings, the 68-year-old son of a former South Carolina sharecropper who has represented the district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1996.

It’s not hard to see what’s going on here. The congressman has been a thorn in this president’s side, and Mr. Trump sees attacking African American members of Congress as good politics, as it both warms the cockles of the white supremacists who love him and causes so many of the thoughtful people who don’t to scream. President Trump bad-mouthed Baltimore in order to make a point that the border camps are “clean, efficient & well run," which, of course, they are not — unless you are fine with all the overcrowding, squalor, cages and deprivation to be found in what the Department of Homeland Security’s own inspector-general recently called “a ticking time bomb."

In pointing to the 7th, the president wasn’t hoping his supporters would recognize landmarks like Johns Hopkins Hospital, perhaps the nation’s leading medical center. He wasn’t conjuring images of the U.S. Social Security Administration, where they write the checks that so many retired and disabled Americans depend upon. It wasn’t about the beauty of the Inner Harbor or the proud history of Fort McHenry. And it surely wasn’t about the economic standing of a district where the median income is actually above the national average. No, he was returning to an old standby of attacking an African American lawmaker from a majority black district on the most emotional and bigoted of arguments. It was only surprising that there wasn’t room for a few classic phrases like “you people” or “welfare queens” or “crime-ridden ghettos” or a suggestion that the congressman “go back” to where he came from.

This is a president who will happily debase himself at the slightest provocation. And given Mr. Cummings’ criticisms of U.S. border policy, the various investigations he has launched as chairman of the House Oversight Committee, his willingness to call Mr. Trump a racist for his recent attacks on the freshmen congresswomen, and the fact that “Fox & Friends” had recently aired a segment critical of the city, slamming Baltimore must have been irresistible in a Pavlovian way. Fox News rang the bell, the president salivated and his thumbs moved across his cell phone into action.

As heartening as it has been to witness public figures rise to Charm City’s defense on Saturday, from native daughter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Mayor Bernard C. “Jack” Young, we would above all remind Mr. Trump that the 7th District, Baltimore included, is part of the United States that he is supposedly governing. The White House has far more power to affect change in this city, for good or ill, than any single member of Congress including Mr. Cummings. If there are problems here, rodents included, they are as much his responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land.

Finally, while we would not sink to name-calling in the Trumpian manner — or ruefully point out that he failed to spell the congressman’s name correctly (it’s Cummings, not Cumming) — we would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are “good people” among murderous neo-Nazis that he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post. Or that he possesses a scintilla of integrity. Better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one.

Baltimore Sun editorial board. No homerism there. Completely unbiased.

I am sure there are nice parts of the seventh district. Cherry picking those areas will,I’m sure, give you the results you desire.


At least two lies in that last paragraph. Is it OK to lie about about someone you hate? Apparently you support that.

You are free to persist in your TDS, and you are free to call me names and demean me. I am free to reply. I am sorry that you are so set in your attitudes that you will swallow any lie that fits your narrative.

If you have been reading the 421 pages of this thread, then no need for me to repeat what I support and why. My support is based on positive things, like th economic boom, your opposition is based on negativity, innuendo, and stereotype.

I would say sorry for your loss (Hillary) but I really am not. Glad she lost, just wish it had been to a nicer guy. Time to get over it.

If you don’t like him, work to defeat him. If it doesn’t work, accept that. Finally. I am in the majority of Americans who are tired of the incessant hysteria over Trump. Made up crap like conspiracy theories (repeated above).

I guess I will assume that no matter what he does, you are against it. Or is there something he has done that you support? Cutting taxes? Protecting the borders? Bueller?

I don’t support everything he has done or said. I guess that makes me less of an ideologue than most. OK with me. Always been a maverick anyway.
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

Also, I asked and didn’t get an answer - was the travel visa issue identified during the stop or after the fact? No story indicates when they found that information out, and that is really important. It seems like you have seen reporting that says the visa issue was identified during the stop - link?
(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

Also, I asked and didn’t get an answer - was the travel visa issue identified during the stop or after the fact? No story indicates when they found that information out, and that is really important. It seems like you have seen reporting that says the visa issue was identified during the stop - link?

From one of the links above...

“Galicia was traveling in late June with his 17-year-old brother, Marlon Galicia, and a group of friends to a soccer scouting event when they were stopped at an immigration checkpoint in Falfuurias...”

These checkpoints are set up on highways leading north from the border.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrat...ent=safari
(07-28-2019 04:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

Also, I asked and didn’t get an answer - was the travel visa issue identified during the stop or after the fact? No story indicates when they found that information out, and that is really important. It seems like you have seen reporting that says the visa issue was identified during the stop - link?

From one of the links above...

“Galicia was traveling in late June with his 17-year-old brother, Marlon Galicia, and a group of friends to a soccer scouting event when they were stopped at an immigration checkpoint in Falfuurias...”

These checkpoints are set up on highways leading north from the border.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrat...ent=safari

Exactly. This sounds like the checkpoint I had to go through each time I left South Padre Island, even though I never crossed the border. I always found those checkpoints to be kind of ridiculous.
(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

There is no fundamental difference legally. *If* the immigration checkpoint is within X (iirc 100) miles of a border, the stop is as essentially though they were crossing a border for most intents and purposes.

(Actually I will disagree with myself, because that is the practice that is employed, but I do think there is a difference within the Supreme Court case on this point and actual practice. I've never had it tested because my new found (2 years or so) refusals to answer questions typically end after 20 min. The bar card that is right next to my drivers license in the wallet probably helps with that when I am asked for ID, though...)

But, in defense of the opposite sense, while I have very serious doubts about your issue on the properness of the actual search issue (i.e. how far the agents at a checkpoint can search), I would like to know what led to the 23 days. That seems excessive to me. But, we do not know *any* of the facts regarding that length.
(07-28-2019 08:35 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 04:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

Also, I asked and didn’t get an answer - was the travel visa issue identified during the stop or after the fact? No story indicates when they found that information out, and that is really important. It seems like you have seen reporting that says the visa issue was identified during the stop - link?

From one of the links above...

“Galicia was traveling in late June with his 17-year-old brother, Marlon Galicia, and a group of friends to a soccer scouting event when they were stopped at an immigration checkpoint in Falfuurias...”

These checkpoints are set up on highways leading north from the border.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrat...ent=safari

Exactly. This sounds like the checkpoint I had to go through each time I left South Padre Island, even though I never crossed the border. I always found those checkpoints to be kind of ridiculous.

Not at all. Citizens of both countries can move freely on either side of the frontier. Mexicans from Juarez or Nuevo Laredo can cross to El Paso or Laredo to shop or work, and many do. American citizens can cross to shop or eat, and many do. If you continue into the interior of either country, you will arrive at a checkpoint. The Mexican checkpoint is at approximately the 28 km mark.

The system is to allow the border cities on either side to interact, while maintaining integrity of the nation as a whole. What you are thinking of was the East German model of a border.
(07-28-2019 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 08:35 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 04:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.


Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

Also, I asked and didn’t get an answer - was the travel visa issue identified during the stop or after the fact? No story indicates when they found that information out, and that is really important. It seems like you have seen reporting that says the visa issue was identified during the stop - link?

From one of the links above...

“Galicia was traveling in late June with his 17-year-old brother, Marlon Galicia, and a group of friends to a soccer scouting event when they were stopped at an immigration checkpoint in Falfuurias...”

These checkpoints are set up on highways leading north from the border.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrat...ent=safari

Exactly. This sounds like the checkpoint I had to go through each time I left South Padre Island, even though I never crossed the border. I always found those checkpoints to be kind of ridiculous.

Not at all. Citizens of both countries can move freely on either side of the frontier. Mexicans from Juarez or Nuevo Laredo can cross to El Paso or Laredo to shop or work, and many do. American citizens can cross to shop or eat, and many do. If you continue into the interior of either country, you will arrive at a checkpoint. The Mexican checkpoint is at approximately the 28 km mark.

The system is to allow the border cities on either side to interact, while maintaining integrity of the nation as a whole. What you are thinking of was the East German model of a border.

Not sure I follow. Are you saying there aren’t border stops exactly along the border? The border stop this kid was picked up was an interior border patrol stop, just like the one north of South Padre Island that you go through on the way back from Padre, but not on the way down.

These interior border patrol stops are in place to deter illegal immigration and allow border patrol agents to stop anyone, and everyone, without reasonable suspicion as to their legality.
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Did Trump dis the entire City of Baltimore or just the part that lies within Cummings’ gerrymandered district?

CNN and others are treating it as an attack on Baltimore.
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