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(05-31-2020 10:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]The "revolution" eats its young:


What did he expect? He was Driving While White.
These are undoubtedlly KKKers and white nationalists...

Not in isolation, either. I saw a list of 80 or 90 the people arrested in Minneapolis with mugshots -- I'll try and re-find that link. One would be hard pressed simply on the mugshots to denote them as white nationalists.

I wonder why the media simply cannot just say: Antifa seems to be a major driver here. They have zero compunction about denoting 'white racist and nationalist groups', but they seem absolutely reticent to denote Antifa.


From the comments: "Why would they let their guard down around all those Russians?"
Tom Cotton on Twitter: "let's see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they're facing off with the 101st Airborne Division.

We need to have zero tolerance for this destruction."

Censor him.


Quote:This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair tray to protest a photograph — a photograph — showing that his inauguration crowd the day before had been smaller than the one four years previous. Since then, this weak person’s idea of a strong person, this chest-pounding advertisement of his own gnawing insecurities, this low-rent Lear raging on his Twitter-heath has proven that the phrase malignant buffoon is not an oxymoron.

Presidents, exploiting modern communications technologies and abetted today by journalists preening as the “resistance” — like members of the French Resistance 1940-1944, minus the bravery — can set the tone of American society, which is regrettably soft wax on which presidents leave their marks. The president’s provocations — his coarsening of public discourse that lowers the threshold for acting out by people as mentally crippled as he — do not excuse the violent few. They must be punished. He must be removed.

Social causation is difficult to demonstrate, particularly between one person’s words and other persons’ deeds. However: The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice” when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.

What Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “defining deviancy down” now defines American politics. In 2016, voters were presented an unprecedentedly unpalatable choice: Never had both major parties offered nominees with higher disapproval than approval numbers. Voters chose what they wagered would be the lesser blight. Now, however, they have watched him govern for 40 months and more than 40 percent — slightly less than the percentage that voted for him — approve of his sordid conduct.

Presidents seeking reelection bask in chants of “Four more years!” This year, however, most Americans — perhaps because they are, as the president predicted, weary from all the winning — might flinch: Four more years of this? The taste of ashes, metaphorical and now literal, dampens enthusiasm.

The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,” as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.

In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S. Eliot anticipated:

We are the hollow men . . .

Our dried voices, when

We whisper together

Are quiet and meaningless

As wind in dry grass

or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .

Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.
(06-01-2020 06:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Tom Cotton on Twitter: "let's see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they're facing off with the 101st Airborne Division.

We need to have zero tolerance for this destruction."

Censor him.

Mmm-hmm.

Quote:“A no quarter order is a war crime, prohibited even in actual insurrection since Abraham Lincoln‘s signed the Lieber Code in 1863,” conservative attorney David French tweeted. “Such an order is banned by international law and would, if carried out, be murder under American law.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-dea...ssion=true
(06-01-2020 08:13 PM)At Ease Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 06:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Tom Cotton on Twitter: "let's see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they're facing off with the 101st Airborne Division.

We need to have zero tolerance for this destruction."

Censor him.

Mmm-hmm.

Quote:“A no quarter order is a war crime, prohibited even in actual insurrection since Abraham Lincoln‘s signed the Lieber Code in 1863,” conservative attorney David French tweeted. “Such an order is banned by international law and would, if carried out, be murder under American law.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-dea...ssion=true

This is why I chuckle when some conservatives on this board pat themselves on the back over which party is the REAL facist party.

The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes. Trump himself has been defended for statements condoning violence and mistreating suspects and those arrested by police.
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.

Lie.
(06-01-2020 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.
Lie.

Yep.

Lad, I'm sorry but that's just beyond the pale. If that's the level of discourse we can expect from you, then forget it.
Trump is now attempting to alienate whatever support he has from governors as well as Republican senators, more than a few of which have already spoken out about Trump’s response (or lack thereof) to the protests and riots. Trump can only piss off the Republican establishment so much before he becomes a lame duck. I will not be surprised if Bush endorses Biden at some point, which will certainly change votes.
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:13 PM)At Ease Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 06:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Tom Cotton on Twitter: "let's see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they're facing off with the 101st Airborne Division.

We need to have zero tolerance for this destruction."

Censor him.

Mmm-hmm.

Quote:“A no quarter order is a war crime, prohibited even in actual insurrection since Abraham Lincoln‘s signed the Lieber Code in 1863,” conservative attorney David French tweeted. “Such an order is banned by international law and would, if carried out, be murder under American law.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-dea...ssion=true

This is why I chuckle when some conservatives on this board pat themselves on the back over which party is the REAL facist party.

The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes. Trump himself has been defended for statements condoning violence and mistreating suspects and those arrested by police.

Again, the slow learners are unable to put context. Yay.

If the request were to summarily execute Antifa, you might be correct. Any addled person can see that this is not.

I guess you are unfamiliar that it, aside from very specialized meaning of 'summarily execute survivors and prisoners', also has a more common usage.

Yet you two squawkers seem either completely oblivious to that, or intentionally oblivious.

Grammarist:
Quote:Eventually, give no quarter took on a figurative meaning of showing no mercy, usually applied in negotiation situations.

Grammarist

Quote:"Tonight you saw two really good programs go at each other with neither team taking no quarter.”

Area Volleyball: Wethersfield sweeps United

Hmm, I guess according to lad the Wethersfield volleyball team not just beat their rivals at a game, but then hog-tied them, drug them out to the parking lot, and bayoneted them. Only in lad-world.....

Liberal (bleep) for brains playbook: take any word with a normal figurative meaning, and a meaning within a highly specific field, and automatically assume that the common figurative meaning has no import.

Once again we have the whack a mole pulling a garbage comment out, and lad taking the cheese and running full monty with it. Classic. I really dont expect this absolute level of inanity from Rice folk......
(06-01-2020 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.
Lie.

Yep.

Lad, I'm sorry but that's just beyond the pale. If that's the level of discourse we can expect from you, then forget it.

******* L-O-L. Similarly hyperbolic crap has been blasted out on the board about those on the left.
(06-01-2020 10:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.
Lie.

Yep.

Lad, I'm sorry but that's just beyond the pale. If that's the level of discourse we can expect from you, then forget it.

******* L-O-L. Similarly hyperbolic crap has been blasted out on the board about those on the left.

Quote:"Tonight you saw two really good programs go at each other with neither team taking no quarter.”

Area Volleyball: Wethersfield sweeps United

I guess you are *still* utterly clueless about the concept of a normal figurative meaning for the term. Or do you just not care to give an accord to that even if you have that knowledge?

This gets the gold medal for word contortion. And I thought you didnt have it in you any more.... man..... a proverbial Tom Brady of the 'bang on a word until it fits SOMEHOW' sports world.... a true inspiration for word athletes everywhere, lad. <clap>
(06-01-2020 10:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.
Lie.

Yep.

Lad, I'm sorry but that's just beyond the pale. If that's the level of discourse we can expect from you, then forget it.

******* L-O-L. Similarly hyperbolic crap has been blasted out on the board about those on the left.

That is not a denial of the falsehood. That is a whadabout.
The riot thingies seem to have seriously set off the libbie set. They know *exactly* which team they need to be rooting for in their own mind, but it really seems to get them anxious to have to defend mobs, and looters, and assaulters, and arsonists.

Kind of see that anxiety spilling over into a lot of really kind of out there ****.
(06-02-2020 01:13 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 10:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2020 08:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]The current iteration of the conservative movement is happy and willing to support those who would use military might to squash dissent and commit war crimes.
Lie.

Yep.

Lad, I'm sorry but that's just beyond the pale. If that's the level of discourse we can expect from you, then forget it.

******* L-O-L. Similarly hyperbolic crap has been blasted out on the board about those on the left.

That is not a denial of the falsehood. That is a whadabout.

It’s an opinion, OO. Sorry, I forgot you have a hard time distinguishing opinions from stated facts - forgot to add the disclaimer of “IMO” to the post for ya.

If you want to prove me wrong, help to show me how a Republican leaders at the federal level have not been advocating for using the US military to deal with these protests and have been advocating for other methods of confronting these issues.

There are certainly some outliers like Justin Amash that aren’t a black eye. But they seem to be getting fewer and further between.
(06-02-2020 04:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]The riot thingies seem to have seriously set off the libbie set. They know *exactly* which team they need to be rooting for in their own mind, but it really seems to get them anxious to have to defend mobs, and looters, and assaulters, and arsonists.

Kind of see that anxiety spilling over into a lot of really kind of out there ****.

I think you’ll notice many liberal posters specifically call out how problematic the rioters are, and not defend those specific individuals. Personally, my issue comes from y’all conflating protestors with the individuals you just called out (rioters et al) and seemingly being eager to dismiss the excessive response to some of the protests that are being peaceful, solely because others have been violent.

It’s not question that those that are taking advantage of a legitimate pain, a legitimate outrage, and legitimate criticism to lash out and loot, destroy, and cause more pain are wrong and vile. But there are also no questions that some police forces and law enforcement individuals are using excessive force in response and playing out their own twisted fantasies.

The issue to me is that conversations often get twisted and conflated, and turned into a “your side bad” game. In this instance, there is plenty of blame to go around, and it seems that there are bad actors all around.
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