Avenatti just released a statement from Julie Swetnick, a third accuser against Kavanaugh regarding his behaviors in high school. This accusation seems to be much more scandalous and serious.
Quote: I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be ‘gang raped’ in a side room or bedroom by a ‘train’ of numerous boys ... These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh ... In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these ‘gang’ or ‘train’ rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present...
Link to Avenatti's twitter with a transcript of the statement:
https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/stat...1133002%2F
(09-26-2018 10:34 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Avenatti just released a statement from Julie Swetnick, a third accuser against Kavanaugh regarding his behaviors in high school. This accusation seems to be much more scandalous and serious.
Quote: I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be ‘gang raped’ in a side room or bedroom by a ‘train’ of numerous boys ... These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh ... In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these ‘gang’ or ‘train’ rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present...
Link to Avenatti's twitter with a transcript of the statement: https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/stat...1133002%2F
Um, no. This is the weakest accusation yet. Having had to concede that Kavanaugh apparently did keep it in his pants his own self, we are now on to trying the guilt-by-association card.
"He was at parties, and I was gang-raped at a party (not by him though!), ergo, he is guilty of aiding and abetting my gang rape."
Oh, and she saw Kavanaugh lined up outside a door waiting his turn, did she? On multiple occasions? While she knew rapes were taking place? Would that not mean, among many other things, that once she knew what was allegedly going on at these rape fests, she continued to go to them -- otherwise how would she see this horrific scene multiple times? Does that honestly ring true to anyone?
You would think, of all these young rapists who allegedly lined up with Kavanaugh to run a train every weekend, at least one of them could be found, by now, to have developed remorse for his crimes and to at least attempt to make things right by disclosing his and Kavanaugh's involvement, Kavanaugh's inevitable bragging about same, etc. Am I to understand that literally it was only boys who would all later grow up to be partisan Republicans who did these things, and that's why they're all apparently clamming up and/or covering for each other now? I would have thought some of these DC and Maryland boys might have grown up to be good liberals, given the electoral numbers over the past few decades, and men enough to admit their past misdeeds.
It sort of gives the game away when the only "justice" each of these accusers demands after all these many years for such horrors is not criminal or civil sanctions against the perpetrators (you'd have to have, you know, evidence to get something like that) but simply a "full FBI investigation." It's as if they just may suspect there are some more Strzoks and Pages in the FBI and this is a dog whistle to them to slow-walk these obviously BS investigations right on into January. Indeed, Swetnick says she knows of witnesses, yet she's so determined to see justice done, she's . . . just going to hang on to those names for the time being? Ok.
I think it is obvious that the outcome of this shitshow is either:
a) Kavanaugh should be charged with submitting a false statement to the Senate; or
b) there is *no*level that the Democrats will stoop to to get their desired outcome.
Really seems black or white to me.
I am to the point that I think Trump should nominate Barrett and tell the Democrats to take a fing flying leap. Fast track the vote on everything.
The level that the Feinstein sat on this stuff is disgusting. Truly abhorrent.
I read an article that horrified me in that I am tending to understand it and side with it.
Quote:The last-minute ambush validates key assumptions of Donald Trump’s supporters [.]
Quote:First, that good character is no defense. If you are John McCain, who genuinely tried to do the right thing and carefully cultivated a relationship with the media over decades, they will still call you a racist when you run against Barack Obama.
If you are Mitt Romney, an exceptionally earnest and decent man, they will make you into a heartless and despicable vulture capitalist, also for the offense of campaigning against Obama.
If you are Brett Kavanaugh, a respected member of the legal establishment who doesn’t have a flyspeck on his record across decades of public service in Washington, they will come up with dubious accusations of wrongdoing from decades ago when you were a teenager.
Quote:Second, that the media is an unremitting political and cultural adversary. In the Kavanaugh controversy, the press has been wholly on the other side, presuming his guilt and valorizing his accusers and their supporters, including Hawaii senator Mazie Hirono, whose most famous contribution to the debate was telling men to “shut up.”
Quote:Third, that politics isn’t just rough-and-tumble; it’s red in tooth and claw. Process and norms are nice, but they go out the window as soon as something important is at stake, like a potential fifth vote on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Senate Democrats may delicately talk about the importance of norms and civility on Sunday shows, but watch how they act. They sat on an accusation throughout an extensive process of vetting and questioning a nominee, then declared it dispositive evidence against his confirmation when it leaked at the eleventh hour. They delayed a hearing with Christine Blasey Ford long enough to allow time for the second accuser to be persuaded to come forward.
Quote:All of this plays into Trump’s support. Surely, a reason that the president appealed to many Republicans in the first place, despite his extravagant personal failings, was that they had decided that virtuous men would get smeared and chewed up by the opposition’s meat grinder, so why be a stickler for standards?
Good job. What the last paragraph doesnt mention is that while this the reason that Trump appealed to many in the first place, was somewhat reviled by others. Not so much anymore.
As for the newest, affidavit, well, it has all its own shortcomings.
(09-26-2018 02:50 PM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2018 10:34 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Avenatti just released a statement from Julie Swetnick, a third accuser against Kavanaugh regarding his behaviors in high school. This accusation seems to be much more scandalous and serious.
Quote: I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be ‘gang raped’ in a side room or bedroom by a ‘train’ of numerous boys ... These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh ... In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these ‘gang’ or ‘train’ rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present...
Link to Avenatti's twitter with a transcript of the statement: https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/stat...1133002%2F
Um, no. This is the weakest accusation yet. Having had to concede that Kavanaugh apparently did keep it in his pants his own self, we are now on to trying the guilt-by-association card. "He was at parties, and I was gang-raped at a party (not by him though!), ergo, he is guilty of aiding and abetting my gang rape."
Oh, and she saw Kavanaugh lined up outside a door waiting his turn, did she? On multiple occasions? While she knew rapes were taking place? Would that not mean, among many other things, that once she knew what was allegedly going on at these rape fests, she continued to go to them -- otherwise how would she see this horrific scene multiple times? Does that honestly ring true to anyone?
You would think, of all these young rapists who allegedly lined up with Kavanaugh to run a train every weekend, at least one of them could be found, by now, to have developed remorse for his crimes and to at least attempt to make things right by disclosing his and Kavanaugh's involvement, Kavanaugh's inevitable bragging about same, etc. Am I to understand that literally it was only boys who would all later grow up to be partisan Republicans who did these things, and that's why they're all apparently clamming up and/or covering for each other now? I would have thought some of these DC and Maryland boys might have grown up to be good liberals, given the electoral numbers over the past few decades, and men enough to admit their past misdeeds.
It sort of gives the game away when the only "justice" each of these accusers demands after all these many years for such horrors is not criminal or civil sanctions against the perpetrators (you'd have to have, you know, evidence to get something like that) but simply a "full FBI investigation." It's as if they just may suspect there are some more Strzoks and Pages in the FBI and this is a dog whistle to them to slow-walk these obviously BS investigations right on into January. Indeed, Swetnick says she knows of witnesses, yet she's so determined to see justice done, she's . . . just going to hang on to those names for the time being? Ok.
Thanks for the somewhat fisking of the affidavit, Illini. Saved me the effort.
It will be interesting to see if Kavanaugh's nomination is withdrawn. Could be a case of winning the battle, but losing the war for the Dems when it comes to November midterms. In either outcome of his nomination, one side is going to be extremely motivated to vote in November.
(09-26-2018 03:31 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to see if Kavanaugh's nomination is withdrawn. Could be a case of winning the battle, but losing the war for the Dems when it comes to November midterms. In either outcome of his nomination, one side is going to be extremely motivated to vote in November.
Yes, but it begs the question of why? Feinstein has already shown that there is no level that she will not stoop to to block nominees at this point. I mean the continuous interruption of days 1-3 was a piker show compared to this.
Why withdraw with the near certainty that at least some of the Democratic shitshow wont be used again?
As an aside, if Kavanaugh got through 6 FBI background checks with nary a peep of the Ford incident, the Ramirez incident, or the plethora of Swetnick allegations, what the fark does that say about the abilities of the FBI if any of them are truthful?
I underwent a security check as part of interviewing with an agency of the Federal Government as a first job. Three days of polygraph and the whole shebang. And to be honest, it was fing scary what they dug up when they interviewed me.
Repeated the process about ten years later when going down the road of being an attached legal counsel with another agency with a related mission just before graduating law school. No polygraphs this time. Again, it was astounding what they were able to ask as very pointed questions during the process.
Apparently 6 of the processes entirely missed the gang-train issues, the Yale incident, and a forcible attempted rape.
This press conference is nuts
Thought it coudnt get weirder:
Senator files suit to block Kavanaugh Nomination
So a member of the legislature, files suit in the judiciary, seeking a judicial injunction against that same legislature, trying to block a process defined by Senate Rules, over an executive nomination. A nomination of person whom he refused to meet with, and announced his intention to oppose in July.
Does any have any hope that there is any Democrat interested in anything related to Kavanaugh beyond the single word "No", followed by the five words "at any cost or effort"?
(this site *really* needs a palm to the forehead emoji....)
Wow. Kavanaugh is going full metal 'fk u' to the Democrats on the committee.
This opening statement is a long fing overdue lecture on the effects of the circus even before the allegations.
holy fk hes red with rage. and actually breaks down crying during his open
My favorite part is how some of these senators have been on this committee longer than I've been alive. All of these people are poster-children for term limits.
Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
(09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
(09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
(09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
Judge has sent two letters, under penalty of felony, saying that he has no memory of the party in question and that those actions do not sound like Kananaugh. Of course, they are just letters, much like the one that brought this all all about.
(09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
I believe (although I'm open to correction) that Judge has been interviewed in the sense that Senate investigators have met with him and posed questions to him at some point (possibly multiple points) over the past 3 weeks. I think I can concede that those investigators were not wearing FBI badges at the time, but it is a federal crime to lie to Congressional investigators just like it is to lie to the FBI (18 USC 1001©(2)). I would imagine that he was also talked to previously by the FBI itself (or its subcontractor) as part of Kavanaugh's FBI background investigations (6 of them) throughout his career, although admittedly not directly about the burning issue of Ford's allegations. And, of course, he has also given at least two written statements, and not just mere letters, but statements under penalty of perjury. The only thing to my knowledge he's not been open to doing voluntarily is testifying or speaking *in public*. So even a vaunted FBI investigation could only get out of him that which he has already given - multiple times.
Yes, I think this matter has been honestly investigated. I don't think it can reasonably be contended otherwise. Good lord, this has been the complete opposite of a rush-job sham conducted in secret. Conservatives like me certainly have our qualms about the unfairness and ugliness of it all, but one thing that's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that we live in a riotously open democracy, and with a completely unfettered free press to boot. It's been investigated to the proverbial hilt. Questions have been asked in public or in private of all possible witnesses, not only by people with badges but also by people with press passes who would want nothing more in life than to stop this nomination, which is to say quite a few of them. No brighter spotlight can be shown at this point. There are no rocks left to turn over. The facts are what they are, and yep, they're incomplete, but they're not going to get any completer.
Honestly, try to imagine some poor schlub at the FBI now being told "go investigate this." Would you not think to yourself, "What could I possibly do that hasn't already been done?" I do know what the end result of any such investigation would be, though. It would be a report that lays out all the same incomplete facts we know right now, and then says "draw your own conclusions" at the bottom. The Democrats know this, too. They just want that process to take no less than 40 days.
(09-28-2018 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
Judge has sent two letters, under penalty of felony, saying that he has no memory of the party in question and that those actions do not sound like Kananaugh. Of course, they are just letters, much like the one that brought this all all about.
The letter that brought all of this resulted in the person testifying to Congress.
I wonder how many attorneys here would be satisfied with the only response of a key witness being a letter, one that did not even answer specific questions asked.
(09-28-2018 01:11 PM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
Quote:The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.
"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
I believe (although I'm open to correction) that Judge has been interviewed in the sense that Senate investigators have met with him and posed questions to him at some point (possibly multiple points) over the past 3 weeks. I think I can concede that those investigators were not wearing FBI badges at the time, but it is a federal crime to lie to Congressional investigators just like it is to lie to the FBI (18 USC 1001©(2)). I would imagine that he was also talked to previously by the FBI itself (or its subcontractor) as part of Kavanaugh's FBI background investigations (6 of them) throughout his career, although admittedly not directly about the burning issue of Ford's allegations. And, of course, he has also given at least two written statements, and not just mere letters, but statements under penalty of perjury. The only thing to my knowledge he's not been open to doing voluntarily is testifying or speaking *in public*. So even a vaunted FBI investigation could only get out of him that which he has already given - multiple times.
Yes, I think this matter has been honestly investigated. I don't think it can reasonably be contended otherwise. Good lord, this has been the complete opposite of a rush-job sham conducted in secret. Conservatives like me certainly have our qualms about the unfairness and ugliness of it all, but one thing that's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that we live in a riotously open democracy, and with a completely unfettered free press to boot. It's been investigated to the proverbial hilt. Questions have been asked in public or in private of all possible witnesses, not only by people with badges but also by people with press passes who would want nothing more in life than to stop this nomination, which is to say quite a few of them. No brighter spotlight can be shown at this point. There are no rocks left to turn over. The facts are what they are, and yep, they're incomplete, but they're not going to get any completer.
Honestly, try to imagine some poor schlub at the FBI now being told "go investigate this." Would you not think to yourself, "What could I possibly do that hasn't already been done?" I do know what the end result of any such investigation would be, though. It would be a report that lays out all the same incomplete facts we know right now, and then says "draw your own conclusions" at the bottom. The Democrats know this, too. They just want that process to take no less than 40 days.
I don't believe Judge has been questioned as mentioned, except maybe as part of the background investigation. However, if he had been questioned privately about these allegations, then I would change my stance and agree that an investigation has been completed.
I do not think having Judge appear in a public hearing is necessary, I just think that, at this point, having him answer questions from trained professionals is warranted. I've not seen an article that says he has done this - but similar to your preface, I could be wrong.
(09-28-2018 01:13 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 09:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Per CNN, the ABA has sent a letter encouraging the Senate to request an FBI investigation into the Kavanaugh accusations.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/27/polit...index.html
The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
Judge has sent two letters, under penalty of felony, saying that he has no memory of the party in question and that those actions do not sound like Kananaugh. Of course, they are just letters, much like the one that brought this all all about.
The letter that brought all of this resulted in the person testifying to Congress.
I wonder how many attorneys here would be satisfied with the only response of a key witness being a letter, one that did not even answer specific questions asked.
The letter that resulted in the testifying was meant by the writer to be kept confidential, and only resulted in testimony because somebody on the left leaked it., probably to force her into testifying.Judge's letters have been made public
Judge's letters are under penalty of felony; Ford's was not.
I wonder how many attorneys would be satisfied with sworn, written testimony? Mueller apparently is.
Still, the larger point is, a letter was enough to bring this matter up, why is a letter not now enough?
(09-28-2018 01:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 01:13 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 11:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2018 10:59 AM)illiniowl Wrote: [ -> ]The ABA is an organization that performs objective functions such as rating jurist qualifications, and I do believe it largely keeps political hackery out of that function, but it also engages in political advocacy -- and when it does, it is undeniably left-leaning. Calling for "a full FBI investigation" now is a transparently, 100% political act. There already has been an investigation, in full view of the nation for weeks, with no expense spared and with no rocks left unturned. There are no facts left to uncover. The only purpose of further (pointless) investigation is to stall for time. It is not a search for truth. Just be honest about that, please.
With respect to the Ford accusations, has Judge, the other person accused of being present during the assault, been interviewed?
I agree that the Senate hearing was not a search for the truth, by either side. But do you actually believe there has been a legitimate investigation into the allegations?
Judge has sent two letters, under penalty of felony, saying that he has no memory of the party in question and that those actions do not sound like Kananaugh. Of course, they are just letters, much like the one that brought this all all about.
The letter that brought all of this resulted in the person testifying to Congress.
I wonder how many attorneys here would be satisfied with the only response of a key witness being a letter, one that did not even answer specific questions asked.
The letter that resulted in the testifying was meant by the writer to be kept confidential, and only resulted in testimony because somebody on the left leaked it., probably to force her into testifying.Judge's letters have been made public
Judge's letters are under penalty of felony; Ford's was not.
I wonder how many attorneys would be satisfied with sworn, written testimony? Mueller apparently is.
Still, the larger point is, a letter was enough to bring this matter up, why is a letter not now enough?
I believe Mueller is OK with sworn, written testimony to questions he wants answered. I don't believe letting anyone write about whatever topic they want is satisfactory.
A letter is not enough because it does not allow professionals to probe the witness and test their answers. I get that he wrote a letter under penalty of a felony - is there no record in the history of our judicial system where someone has lied in a similar instance?