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(07-26-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-24-2019 04:59 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Trump's turnover rate in his Cabinet and senior level administration is the highest of any presidential administration since 1980 (which is all this link tracks). It doesn't help having political advisors, or business advisors, if your president doesn't listen to and value their opinions.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/track...istration/

Is that an impeachable offense?

"Impeach. Impeach. Orange Man Bad. Orange Man Bad."

I have never, ever said we should impeach Trump. You should know that. I just want to defeat him in November, 2020.

I expect this type of response from the sorry individuals in the Kyra Spin room, but you are better than that.

Hambone had earlier talked about having solid advisors around a president if they're not experts on a particular subject (I'm paraphrasing a bit). And I was merely pointing out that Trump's advisors constantly are leaving.
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In terms of the executions, I wish they wouldn't reinstate it but in the administration's defense, the five people they mentioned are truly reprehensible individuals.

My point of contention though is why so many right away? I think the government has executed something like 37 individuals since 1927 or thereabouts. I don't have the year-by-year totals (no one has been executed since 2003, I know that). But I would imagine 5 in less than a year is way higher than the normal rate.

I also wonder why these particular inmates are in federal penitentiaries when it seems like some of them did not commit murders either of a terroristic variety, or on federal lands. Shouldn't they be under the jurisdiction of the state where they committed the crime?
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RE: Trump Administration
(07-26-2019 07:42 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-24-2019 04:59 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Trump's turnover rate in his Cabinet and senior level administration is the highest of any presidential administration since 1980 (which is all this link tracks). It doesn't help having political advisors, or business advisors, if your president doesn't listen to and value their opinions.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/track...istration/
Is that an impeachable offense?
"Impeach. Impeach. Orange Man Bad. Orange Man Bad."
I have never, ever said we should impeach Trump. You should know that. I just want to defeat him in November, 2020.
I expect this type of response from the sorry individuals in the Kyra Spin room, but you are better than that.
Hambone had earlier talked about having solid advisors around a president if they're not experts on a particular subject (I'm paraphrasing a bit). And I was merely pointing out that Trump's advisors constantly are leaving.

And I was mocking the constant calls for impeachment that come from all over the left.

I wish someone else would be elected president in 2020, but none of the democrats are on that list.

As far as turnover, I doubt that Donald Trump is an easy person to work for. I can imagine a lot of, "You're fired," and a lot of, "I don't want to work here any more."
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For over 200 years, the cornerstone of American justice was "innocent until proven guilty".

The last few months it seems the Democrats want to replace it with "Guilty until exonerated".
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(07-26-2019 07:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of the executions, I wish they wouldn't reinstate it but in the administration's defense, the five people they mentioned are truly reprehensible individuals.

My point of contention though is why so many right away? I think the government has executed something like 37 individuals since 1927 or thereabouts. I don't have the year-by-year totals (no one has been executed since 2003, I know that). But I would imagine 5 in less than a year is way higher than the normal rate.

I also wonder why these particular inmates are in federal penitentiaries when it seems like some of them did not commit murders either of a terroristic variety, or on federal lands. Shouldn't they be under the jurisdiction of the state where they committed the crime?

I think maybe these five are just the ones who have exhausted their appeals.
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Alright, here's some new news about Trump that shows how he's going insane.

Yesterday, "frustrated by continued efforts by the Democratic congress to find a reason to impeach him, President Donald Trump fought back today, saying that an investigation should be mounted on the book deals signed by former President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle.

The $65 million in multiple book deals spawned a best-seller for Michelle Obama, with Barack Obama’s memoir scheduled for some time next year.

Trump, speaking in the White House Oval Office on Friday, also called for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation (not that unreasonable of a request), and put in a jab against Obama for ruining the White House air conditioning system, which he says can’t maintain a comfortable temperature."

https://deadline.com/2019/07/president-d...202655260/

And it's only July, 2019. Just think what we have to look forward to by 2020, or God help us all, by 2024.
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(07-27-2019 06:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Alright, here's some new news about Trump that shows how he's going insane.

Yesterday, "frustrated by continued efforts by the Democratic congress to find a reason to impeach him, President Donald Trump fought back today, saying that an investigation should be mounted on the book deals signed by former President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle.

The $65 million in multiple book deals spawned a best-seller for Michelle Obama, with Barack Obama’s memoir scheduled for some time next year.

Trump, speaking in the White House Oval Office on Friday, also called for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation (not that unreasonable of a request), and put in a jab against Obama for ruining the White House air conditioning system, which he says can’t maintain a comfortable temperature."

https://deadline.com/2019/07/president-d...202655260/

And it's only July, 2019. Just think what we have to look forward to by 2020, or God help us all, by 2024.

I think he was being sarcastic with the book deal reference, as in while they're wasting their time on flogging the dead horse, why not do some other frivolous investigations?

$65 million is a staggering sum for book deals.
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(07-27-2019 06:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And it's only July, 2019. Just think what we have to look forward to by 2020, or God help us all, by 2024.

What do we have to look forward to? More prosperity? More tough diplomacy with our enemies?

More Dems hollering for investigations and impeachment? More antifa riots? More lies from CNN?

More charges of racism thrown blindly about?

Here are some of my predictions.

If Trump wins in 2020, the Dems will say it is because of Russian meddling
If Trump loses, the Dems will say it is in spite of Russian meddling, or that there was none.

I predict it will be Trump v. Harris in 2020, and Trump will win. The Republicans will take back the House since the Dems only campaign issue will be impeachment.
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(07-26-2019 07:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of the executions, I wish they wouldn't reinstate it but in the administration's defense, the five people they mentioned are truly reprehensible individuals.

My point of contention though is why so many right away? I think the government has executed something like 37 individuals since 1927 or thereabouts. I don't have the year-by-year totals (no one has been executed since 2003, I know that). But I would imagine 5 in less than a year is way higher than the normal rate.

I also wonder why these particular inmates are in federal penitentiaries when it seems like some of them did not commit murders either of a terroristic variety, or on federal lands. Shouldn't they be under the jurisdiction of the state where they committed the crime?

Daniel Lee -- Federal gun charges and racketeering; double murder of a gun dealer and wife, murder while committing Federal offense

Lezmond Mitchell -- murder on Indian reservation

Wesley Ira Purkey -- murder after kidnapping; drove from Kansas City, KS to Kansas City MO with the victim; Federal kidnapping charges and murder in commission of a Federal crime

Alfred Bourgeois -- killed daughter on Naval Air Station land.

Dustin Lee Honken -- murder during a drug operation; Federal charge of drug conspiracy got the charge upped to the Federal level bc of Federal law violation.

Not that hard to look up.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-g...cade-lapse

When intrigued, Google is your friend. I actually was confused by some others on death row (i.e. a Kingsville carjacking and double murder), but when you look at the backgrounds a little closer there is typically a good rationale for the Federal beef.
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(07-27-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 06:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And it's only July, 2019. Just think what we have to look forward to by 2020, or God help us all, by 2024.

What do we have to look forward to? More prosperity? More tough diplomacy with our enemies?

More Dems hollering for investigations and impeachment? More antifa riots? More lies from CNN?

More charges of racism thrown blindly about?

Here are some of my predictions.

If Trump wins in 2020, the Dems will say it is because of Russian meddling
If Trump loses, the Dems will say it is in spite of Russian meddling, or that there was none.

I predict it will be Trump v. Harris in 2020, and Trump will win. The Republicans will take back the House since the Dems only campaign issue will be impeachment.

I think if trump wins, some factions of the left turn very violent.
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(07-27-2019 10:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 07:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of the executions, I wish they wouldn't reinstate it but in the administration's defense, the five people they mentioned are truly reprehensible individuals.

My point of contention though is why so many right away? I think the government has executed something like 37 individuals since 1927 or thereabouts. I don't have the year-by-year totals (no one has been executed since 2003, I know that). But I would imagine 5 in less than a year is way higher than the normal rate.

I also wonder why these particular inmates are in federal penitentiaries when it seems like some of them did not commit murders either of a terroristic variety, or on federal lands. Shouldn't they be under the jurisdiction of the state where they committed the crime?

Daniel Lee -- Federal gun charges and racketeering; double murder of a gun dealer and wife, murder while committing Federal offense

Lezmond Mitchell -- murder on Indian reservation

Wesley Ira Purkey -- murder after kidnapping; drove from Kansas City, KS to Kansas City MO with the victim; Federal kidnapping charges and murder in commission of a Federal crime

Alfred Bourgeois -- killed daughter on Naval Air Station land.

Dustin Lee Honken -- murder during a drug operation; Federal charge of drug conspiracy got the charge upped to the Federal level bc of Federal law violation.

Not that hard to look up.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-g...cade-lapse

When intrigued, Google is your friend. I actually was confused by some others on death row (i.e. a Kingsville carjacking and double murder), but when you look at the backgrounds a little closer there is typically a good rationale for the Federal beef.

I think this info was in my original link.
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(07-27-2019 10:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 06:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And it's only July, 2019. Just think what we have to look forward to by 2020, or God help us all, by 2024.

What do we have to look forward to? More prosperity? More tough diplomacy with our enemies?

More Dems hollering for investigations and impeachment? More antifa riots? More lies from CNN?

More charges of racism thrown blindly about?

Here are some of my predictions.

If Trump wins in 2020, the Dems will say it is because of Russian meddling
If Trump loses, the Dems will say it is in spite of Russian meddling, or that there was none.

I predict it will be Trump v. Harris in 2020, and Trump will win. The Republicans will take back the House since the Dems only campaign issue will be impeachment.

I think if trump wins, some factions of the left turn very violent.

Yes. They will style themselves as the New Continental Army, fighting to relieve Americans of the burden of less taxation with representation.


Er, I mean they will be fighting to rid the world of an ill-mannered oaf, because it is Unconstitutional to be ill mannered.
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(07-27-2019 10:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 07:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of the executions, I wish they wouldn't reinstate it but in the administration's defense, the five people they mentioned are truly reprehensible individuals.

My point of contention though is why so many right away? I think the government has executed something like 37 individuals since 1927 or thereabouts. I don't have the year-by-year totals (no one has been executed since 2003, I know that). But I would imagine 5 in less than a year is way higher than the normal rate.

I also wonder why these particular inmates are in federal penitentiaries when it seems like some of them did not commit murders either of a terroristic variety, or on federal lands. Shouldn't they be under the jurisdiction of the state where they committed the crime?

Daniel Lee -- Federal gun charges and racketeering; double murder of a gun dealer and wife, murder while committing Federal offense

Lezmond Mitchell -- murder on Indian reservation

Wesley Ira Purkey -- murder after kidnapping; drove from Kansas City, KS to Kansas City MO with the victim; Federal kidnapping charges and murder in commission of a Federal crime

Alfred Bourgeois -- killed daughter on Naval Air Station land.

Dustin Lee Honken -- murder during a drug operation; Federal charge of drug conspiracy got the charge upped to the Federal level bc of Federal law violation.

Not that hard to look up.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-g...cade-lapse

When intrigued, Google is your friend. I actually was confused by some others on death row (i.e. a Kingsville carjacking and double murder), but when you look at the backgrounds a little closer there is typically a good rationale for the Federal beef.

Interestingly, there was a very high profile federal death penalty case that just concluded here in Illinois. A grad student from China at the Univ. of Ill. in Champaign was abducted. Surveillance video showed her getting into a black Saturn. She was never seen again. The Saturn was traced to another U of I grad student. He was charged in federal court with kidnapping, rape, and murder, ultimately confessed (in opening statements on the first day of trial after two years of maintaining innocence!), and got life in prison (without parole) when the jury could not unanimously agree on death.

One takeaway here is that, at least in blue states and/or in states where the death penalty has been gone for long enough for people to get used to the idea even if they weren't/aren't "anti" death penalty, the feds may not be getting many death penalties either. This guy's crimes were every bit as heinous as the ones we've been talking about, he showed no remorse (has never even revealed the location of the body to allow the family to recover the remains -- and in fact tried to use that information as a bargaining chip to get the death penalty dropped), and they still could not get a death verdict -- in Central Illinois no less (still a pretty conservative area).

But wait. What was the federal "hook" to this case, you might ask. There was never any proof that the victim was lured or taken across state lines. Every criminal act took place entirely within Illinois. There was no racketeering or any other esoteric federal statute involved. The answer, which has never set right with me, is that in using his car to abduct the victim, the perpetrator used an object that had "moved in interstate commerce." The Saturn, you see, had been manufactured outside of Illinois.

If something as attenuated as that can form the basis for federal jurisdiction, it is difficult to see any limit whatsoever. Yet he did lose a motion to dismiss. It will be interesting to see if it holds up on appeal. If it does not, he will end up being prosecuted in state court after all, because double jeopardy does not apply between federal and state prosecutions (somehow I missed that in Crim. Proc. 25+ years ago and just learned it this month). Illinois does still allow sentences of life without parole, although there is a nascent movement to abolish that as well.
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Just read a news story about Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old American citizen, who was detained for 23 days because of suspicions that he was an illegal immigrant, despite having three forms of valid ID on him when stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. Regardless of the conditions he was kept in (they were apparently bad enough for him to lose 20+ lbs), it is rather shocking that a citizen was detained so long, based solely on the suspicion he was an illegal immigrant.
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(07-27-2019 04:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Just read a news story about Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old American citizen, who was detained for 23 days because of suspicions that he was an illegal immigrant, despite having three forms of valid ID on him when stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. Regardless of the conditions he was kept in (they were apparently bad enough for him to lose 20+ lbs), it is rather shocking that a citizen was detained so long, based solely on the suspicion he was an illegal immigrant.

It's not shocking to me. It's Trump's wet dream world. The only thing shocking to me is the amount of supporters he has.
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(07-27-2019 04:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Just read a news story about Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old American citizen, who was detained for 23 days because of suspicions that he was an illegal immigrant, despite having three forms of valid ID on him when stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. Regardless of the conditions he was kept in (they were apparently bad enough for him to lose 20+ lbs), it is rather shocking that a citizen was detained so long, based solely on the suspicion he was an illegal immigrant.

He was also carrying a tourist visa that said he was born in Mexico. Can’t have it both ways. There is more to this story.
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(07-27-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 04:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Just read a news story about Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old American citizen, who was detained for 23 days because of suspicions that he was an illegal immigrant, despite having three forms of valid ID on him when stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. Regardless of the conditions he was kept in (they were apparently bad enough for him to lose 20+ lbs), it is rather shocking that a citizen was detained so long, based solely on the suspicion he was an illegal immigrant.

He was also carrying a tourist visa that said he was born in Mexico. Can’t have it both ways. There is more to this story.

Link? I’ve only seen that he was carrying an ID, birth certificate, and social security card.
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Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.
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Quote:His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting Francisco. Galan said the document fueled suspicions that Galicia’s documents were fake.

Sanjuana told the outlet that she obtained the visa because she believed it was the only way for him to cross the border to visit family in Mexico. His mother, who is undocumented, said she could not obtain a passport for her son because she used a different name for herself on his birth certificate.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/francisco-erwin-galicia/

Quote:The Post reported that the delay could be in part because Francisco's mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico. Galan told the newspaper that the paperwork confusion only furthered the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/23/...-detained/

Bluntly, if I am pulled over and there are multiple indications of different identities --- I am spending some time as guest somewhere.

But leave it to the anti-borders people to throw a fit.

At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake? What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Just seems to be a bit of a worrisome precedent to set, regarding detaining individuals with valid IDs.
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Are there really people on here who think that there are others in this country (trump, the right, whomever) who think random US citizens should be held in detention for no reason?
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