(05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?
But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.
Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.
So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.
I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.
In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."
I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.
Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.
More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.
Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.
Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.
Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on
“tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.
Waltz: under attack from outside agitators
Couple of interesting points:
“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”
and
Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”
Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.
(05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.
The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
Let's apply your statement to Trump and perhaps this is why he was so measured in describing the white supremacists in Charlottesville.
White supremacists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
(05-30-2020 11:45 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.
The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
Let's apply your statement to Trump and perhaps this is why he was so measured in describing the white supremacists in Charlottesville.
White supremacists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
Funny, he did. Explicitly. By name. Perhaps you missed that? Or is this alternative evil bearded Spock universe you are referring to?
(05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?
But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.
Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.
So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.
I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.
In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."
I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.
Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.
More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.
Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.
Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.
Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.
Waltz: under attack from outside agitators
Couple of interesting points:
“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”
and
Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”
Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.
So who are these tightly controlled groups of outside agitators? What do they want. Who do they represent?
I agree that outside agitators are largely responsible. Inside agitators are partially responsible. the sheeple being led are largely responsible.
What are their agendas?
(05-30-2020 11:45 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.
The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
Let's apply your statement to Trump and perhaps this is why he was so measured in describing the white supremacists in Charlottesville.
White supremacists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.
What year was that? Biden et al are being quiet NOW. TODAY.
Even if your accusation was true, (it is not), the difference is the proximity of the election in 5 months rather than a few years down the line.
Biden and other leading Democrats will not make a move to anger the black bloc. If they abandon him now, he cannot get them back in time to win. Simple politics.
(05-30-2020 11:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?
But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.
Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.
So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.
I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.
In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."
I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.
Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.
More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.
Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.
Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.
Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.
Waltz: under attack from outside agitators
Couple of interesting points:
“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”
and
Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”
Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.
So who are these tightly controlled groups of outside agitators? What do they want. Who do they represent?
I agree that outside agitators are largely responsible. Inside agitators are partially responsible. the sheeple being led are largely responsible.
What are their agendas?
Agenda - chaos. Anarchists exploiting the moment. ANTIFA and your rando white supremacists' wet dream.
Trump's Wednesday response was excellent. If only he could control himself for 48 hours and stick to that. GF's family put out a statement calling for calm. Mayor of Atlanta same.
Even if we don't agree regarding the underlying cause of the anger on display, we can agree that the nation needs to get through this horrible moment with as much social cohesion as possible.
On another note, I enjoy (enjoy probably the wrong word
) reading your, Tanq', 93's, Lad's, Big's 69, Ham's, etc, back and forth on this board. Don't have the bandwidth to really participate, but it's thought provoking. As a freerider, noting that.
(05-30-2020 12:48 PM)ausowl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 11:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?
But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.
Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.
So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.
I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.
In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."
I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.
Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.
More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.
Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.
Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.
Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.
Waltz: under attack from outside agitators
Couple of interesting points:
“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”
and
Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”
Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.
So who are these tightly controlled groups of outside agitators? What do they want. Who do they represent?
I agree that outside agitators are largely responsible. Inside agitators are partially responsible. the sheeple being led are largely responsible.
What are their agendas?
Agenda - chaos. Anarchists exploiting the moment. ANTIFA and your rando white supremacists' wet dream.
Trump's Wednesday response was excellent. If only he could control himself for 48 hours and stick to that. GF's family put out a statement calling for calm. Mayor of Atlanta same.
Even if we don't agree regarding the underlying cause of the anger on display, we can agree that the nation needs to get through this horrible moment with as much social cohesion as possible.
On another note, I enjoy (enjoy probably the wrong word ) reading your, Tanq', 93's, Lad's, Big's 69, Ham's, etc, back and forth on this board. Don't have the bandwidth to really participate, but it's thought provoking. As a freerider, noting that.
I am happy our wallowing and thrashing in the mudpit is a source of good and happiness somewhere.
Be good.
National Guard fully mobilized
"President Donald Trump said Friday he spoke with Floyd's family and asserted that his relatives are "entitled to justice" in the case. "
How racist can you get?
"Fires, looting and destruction were not isolated to Minneapolis. In Detroit, one person attending a protest was shot to death. Atlanta saw the CNN Center attacked and its mayor pleaded for calm."
"The mayors of the Twin Cities echoed the governor's claim that a majority of protesters were from outside Minnesota but did not immediately provide details."
How come when Trump makes a claim like this, the WashPo and/or NYT always include in their headline "claims without evidence" and/or labels it another lie? DDS
Claims without evidence
The governor said the current National Guard response is the largest civilian deployment in the state's history, but he acknowledged the size of Friday's response wasn't enough.
Again and again, both city and state leaders emphasized that the people burning buildings and causing issues for law enforcement, businesses owners and homeowners are not from Minnesota. Walz estimated that around 20% of rioters are from our area, with 80% of people coming in to Minnesota.
(05-30-2020 08:44 PM)At Ease Wrote: [ -> ]
Well, that clearly proves it was Trump's fault--NOT.
Well, in the aftermath, it appears the MSM this morning has taken dead aim at Trump.
Watched ABC and CNN so far
Question for the other team: What is meant by “justice”? They keep saying they want justice - what do they - and you - specifically want to happen?
Well, most of the rioters, protesters, looters, and arsonists are wearing masks, but not all.
So it is an easy prediction to say we are likely to have Covid outbreaks concentrated in minority communities.
These will of course be taken as evidence of Trump’s failure and a too-early reopening in whatever states they occur.
Dont know what thread to post riot (err..... 'protest') stories.
Ill post this one without any editorial.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1UQqTho2m/...atch_again
Kind of reminds me of the block of Chinese shops in South Central whose owners 'went to the roofs' for 48 hours in '92. I dont remember those Chinese store owners being ripped for those actions. I saw this elsewhere where the store owners in the video were being roundly criticized.
I see they are still using the "hands up don't shoot" thing.
I thought the taunting of the guys in the door with guns as 'cowards' was cute. And I thought the video catching the smashing of the storefront glass next door *while* the guys were ripping on the owners was instructive.
Hey, when countered by 3 pissed off paisans, back off --- then the dirtbags hit the store next door to loot it.
I wonder if the video is tweeted, will Twitter censor it in the manner they did with Trump's message?
The leftists here are going to hate this - men with guns protecting their property from vandals. Clearly Biden will stop this kind of behavior. the protecting, I mean, not the vandalism.
The "revolution" eats its young:
Why didnt this get censored on Twitter? Maybe it will get some howls here about how terrible and such an incitement to violence this is:
The "revolution" eats its young, deux:
Via the media just found out this is *all* the fault of Trump / Russians / drug cartels / KKK.
I find it really fing amazing the media points at everyone *except* Antifa --- glad to know the Trump-led Russian drug cartels with their KKK soldiers have mastered the art of disguise so amazingly well. I mean, in the clip with the dudes defending their property, I took that uber secret army as 'hood bangers. I learn something new every day.