(05-03-2022 09:11 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 04:25 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 03:52 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]UCF found their SG..
who?
Rumors that it’s Ithiel Horton
that would be a great pick up if its true.. if you add conference strength into the equation you could almost argue its almost 1 for 1 trade with darin green (as the do the exact same thing).. hopefully it becomes official
do you have nay updates on elijah weaver??
(05-03-2022 09:35 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 09:11 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 04:25 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 03:52 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]UCF found their SG..
who?
Rumors that it’s Ithiel Horton
that would be a great pick up if its true.. if you add conference strength into the equation you could almost argue its almost 1 for 1 trade with darin green (as the do the exact same thing).. hopefully it becomes official
do you have nay updates on elijah weaver??
I don’t know exactly what’s happening with Weaver but when he transferred from USC, his final two were Dayton and UCF. Now that he’s leaving Dayton, I would assume UCF is a strong contender if not the favorite, if Dawkins really wants him. I know he just had surgery though, he hurt his wrist or something at Dayton.
I think he’d be a solid addition to the roster, as we need guards.
This would likely be UCF’s starting five with Horton:
1. Darius Johnson
2. Ithiel Horton
3. Brandon Suggs
4. Taylor Hendricks
5. Michael Durr
With potentially Tyem Freeman, CJ Walker, and Lahat Thioune coming off the bench, along with maybe PJ Edwards and Tyler Hendricks (Both unproven).
That leaves us with 3 schollies left. I’d personally like to land Weaver with one. I still think we need 1 more true PG, and then maybe another forward or center.
All things considered, that’s not a bad roster. Depending on who we get with the last few schollies, we could actually have some potential to be pretty good. Setting us up for disappointment again, lol
(05-03-2022 09:46 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]This would likely be UCF’s starting five with Horton:
1. Darius Johnson
2. Ithiel Horton
3. Brandon Suggs
4. Taylor Hendricks
5. Michael Durr
With potentially Tyem Freeman, CJ Walker, and Lahat Thioune coming off the bench, along with maybe PJ Edwards and Tyler Hendricks (Both unproven).
That leaves us with 3 schollies left. I’d personally like to land Weaver with one. I still think we need 1 more true PG, and then maybe another forward or center.
All things considered, that’s not a bad roster. Depending on who we get with the last few schollies, we could actually have some potential to be pretty good. Setting us up for disappointment again, lol
i think freeman would start over suggs.. honesltly i think walker/hendricks starts at the 3 before suggs
cj walker vs hendricks at the 4 will be tough.. dawkins went all in walker last year, which is essentially what pushed adams out .. i can just see him giving up on walker now, even for a top 60 recruit
if both walker/hendricks both stay at the 4, i think hendricks will come off the bench is scottie barnes/ tari eason kinda way (who were both 6th men in college)
(05-03-2022 10:12 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 09:46 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]This would likely be UCF’s starting five with Horton:
1. Darius Johnson
2. Ithiel Horton
3. Brandon Suggs
4. Taylor Hendricks
5. Michael Durr
With potentially Tyem Freeman, CJ Walker, and Lahat Thioune coming off the bench, along with maybe PJ Edwards and Tyler Hendricks (Both unproven).
That leaves us with 3 schollies left. I’d personally like to land Weaver with one. I still think we need 1 more true PG, and then maybe another forward or center.
All things considered, that’s not a bad roster. Depending on who we get with the last few schollies, we could actually have some potential to be pretty good. Setting us up for disappointment again, lol
i think freeman would start over suggs.. honesltly i think walker/hendricks starts at the 3 before suggs
cj walker vs hendricks at the 4 will be tough.. dawkins went all in walker last year, which is essentially what pushed adams out .. i can just see him giving up on walker now, even for a top 60 recruit
if both walker/hendricks both stay at the 4, i think hendricks will come off the bench is scottie barnes/ tari eason kinda way (who were both 6th men in college)
Wasn’t Suggs an integral part of the ECU team? Freeman is good but nothing spectacular, although I wouldn’t mind if he did start. I think Hendricks and Walker will split time, or potentially play together if Dawkins puts Hendricks at the 3. He basically rotated who would start every game at every position last year, except C and PG, so I think they’d both get significant time.
I’m interested to see if PJ Edwards ends up being any good, he had barely any offers but was a Rivals150 recruit..
And I don’t expect Tyler Hendricks to do much, he was only taken because of his brother, but maybe he can be a pure shooter that develops the rest of his game over time?
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on those points.
(05-03-2022 11:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn’t Suggs an integral part of the ECU team? Freeman is good but nothing spectacular, although I wouldn’t mind if he did start. I think Hendricks and Walker will split time, or potentially play together if Dawkins puts Hendricks at the 3. He basically rotated who would start every game at every position last year, except C and PG, so I think they’d both get significant time.
I’m interested to see if PJ Edwards ends up being any good, he had barely any offers but was a Rivals150 recruit..
And I don’t expect Tyler Hendricks to do much, he was only taken because of his brother, but maybe he can be a pure shooter that develops the rest of his game over time?
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on those points.
suggs was a weird anamoly, statistically and film wise he wasnt that notable, but when he played ecu "the team" was DRASTICALLY better.. he was an integral part of their team.. we just arent sure why
and i think you are selling freeman short a bit.. he was a 1st-team juco all-american as a freshmen .. he wasnt special last year but it was his first year in D1 as a sophomore (covid freshman) and playing limited minutes (on team stacked with guards/wings)..
his production for his minutes were actually extremely good- 5pt 2rbs on just 13mins per is good...
he wasn't special but is at a good starting spot for a guy with 3 years eligibility
freeman isnt a good shooter, but suggs isn't either, so thats a wash
Dawkins and Hendricks are getting singificant minutes it's just a matter of can they play together..
with the current roster make up the twin nd edwards will get minutes simple based on the fact there are few ball handlers on roster.... but ucf has 3 ships (2 if Horton commits) ..i think youll target another guard.. and most likely that guard will likely push edwards/small Hendricks out of rotation
(05-04-2022 01:02 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 11:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn’t Suggs an integral part of the ECU team? Freeman is good but nothing spectacular, although I wouldn’t mind if he did start. I think Hendricks and Walker will split time, or potentially play together if Dawkins puts Hendricks at the 3. He basically rotated who would start every game at every position last year, except C and PG, so I think they’d both get significant time.
I’m interested to see if PJ Edwards ends up being any good, he had barely any offers but was a Rivals150 recruit..
And I don’t expect Tyler Hendricks to do much, he was only taken because of his brother, but maybe he can be a pure shooter that develops the rest of his game over time?
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on those points.
suggs was a weird anamoly, statistically and film wise he wasnt that notable, but when he played ecu "the team" was DRASTICALLY better.. he was an integral part of their team.. we just arent sure why
and i think you are selling freeman short a bit.. he was a 1st-team juco all-american as a freshmen .. he wasnt special last year but it was his first year in D1 as a sophomore (covid freshman) and playing limited minutes (on team stacked with guards/wings)..
his production for his minutes were actually extremely good- 5pt 2rbs on just 13mins per is good...
he wasn't special but is at a good starting spot for a guy with 3 years eligibility
freeman isnt a good shooter, but suggs isn't either, so thats a wash
Dawkins and Hendricks are getting singificant minutes it's just a matter of can they play together..
with the current roster make up the twin nd edwards will get minutes simple based on the fact there are few ball handlers on roster.... but ucf has 3 ships (2 if Horton commits) ..i think youll target another guard.. and most likely that guard will likely push edwards/small Hendricks out of rotation
True, what do you think of the roster in general? To me it actually doesn’t seem that bad compared to last year’s team, the only real key player we lost is Darin Green, but as you said, if we land Horton we basically replaced him. I think Darius Johnson will end up being better than Perry, he’s more of a pure PG and won’t try as much hero ball. I also think Durr is almost a 1 for 1 replacement for Mbacke Diong too.
(05-04-2022 08:38 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2022 01:02 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022 11:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn’t Suggs an integral part of the ECU team? Freeman is good but nothing spectacular, although I wouldn’t mind if he did start. I think Hendricks and Walker will split time, or potentially play together if Dawkins puts Hendricks at the 3. He basically rotated who would start every game at every position last year, except C and PG, so I think they’d both get significant time.
I’m interested to see if PJ Edwards ends up being any good, he had barely any offers but was a Rivals150 recruit..
And I don’t expect Tyler Hendricks to do much, he was only taken because of his brother, but maybe he can be a pure shooter that develops the rest of his game over time?
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on those points.
suggs was a weird anamoly, statistically and film wise he wasnt that notable, but when he played ecu "the team" was DRASTICALLY better.. he was an integral part of their team.. we just arent sure why
and i think you are selling freeman short a bit.. he was a 1st-team juco all-american as a freshmen .. he wasnt special last year but it was his first year in D1 as a sophomore (covid freshman) and playing limited minutes (on team stacked with guards/wings)..
his production for his minutes were actually extremely good- 5pt 2rbs on just 13mins per is good...
he wasn't special but is at a good starting spot for a guy with 3 years eligibility
freeman isnt a good shooter, but suggs isn't either, so thats a wash
Dawkins and Hendricks are getting singificant minutes it's just a matter of can they play together..
with the current roster make up the twin nd edwards will get minutes simple based on the fact there are few ball handlers on roster.... but ucf has 3 ships (2 if Horton commits) ..i think youll target another guard.. and most likely that guard will likely push edwards/small Hendricks out of rotation
True, what do you think of the roster in general? To me it actually doesn’t seem that bad compared to last year’s team, the only real key player we lost is Darin Green, but as you said, if we land Horton we basically replaced him. I think Darius Johnson will end up being better than Perry, he’s more of a pure PG and won’t try as much hero ball. I also think Durr is almost a 1 for 1 replacement for Mbacke Diong too.
Durr’s inconsistency will drive you nuts, there will be games where he will look great and give you 15 pts and 11 rbs and then there will be games where he will disappear and you will wonder where is he?
(05-04-2022 08:38 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]True, what do you think of the roster in general? To me it actually doesn’t seem that bad compared to last year’s team, the only real key player we lost is Darin Green, but as you said, if we land Horton we basically replaced him. I think Darius Johnson will end up being better than Perry, he’s more of a pure PG and won’t try as much hero ball. I also think Durr is almost a 1 for 1 replacement for Mbacke Diong too.
with UCF you have to divide the roster from the expectation ..
for example your roster last was a tournament team roster ..but you guys finished .500 in conference.. the roster and finish were different things
so im not talking expectation just roster..
without horton its lacking... extreme lack of shooters/ball handlers
assuming youve landed horton (a shooter) the roster is pretty much the conference average. i wouldnt give ucf a roster edge over anyone on roster talent, but isnt below anyone beside Houston (* probably memphis when they fill out the roster)
but you guys have 2 ships even if you land horton... ( i know you guys are in on don carey from Georgetown and elijah weaver but also some lower level guys)... so if you land don carey you are probably back to 3rd in the conference in roster talent.. land an unknown mid major, it's back to middling
Rotation
1 --- Darius Johnson (touted recruit/aac all-freshmen)
2 --- **Horton (pitt sharp shooter) /// Tyem Freeman (Juco all-American)
3 --- **transfer guard (Don Carey; Gtown shooter) /// Brandon Suggs (ECU)
4 --- CJ Walker (Former 5star) /// Taylor Hendricks (top 60 recruit)
5 --- Michael Durr (did 9&8 in the aac) /// Lahat Thioune (Utah)
that is probably a roster good enough to make the tournament ... everyone but johnson is 6'5ish or taller too/overall old team.. but need to pick up another guard of note like carey
but any expectations for ucf requires johnson to level up, was "good for a freshman" last year.. but needs to just be "good" for ucf to accomplish anything
(05-04-2022 12:07 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2022 08:38 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ]True, what do you think of the roster in general? To me it actually doesn’t seem that bad compared to last year’s team, the only real key player we lost is Darin Green, but as you said, if we land Horton we basically replaced him. I think Darius Johnson will end up being better than Perry, he’s more of a pure PG and won’t try as much hero ball. I also think Durr is almost a 1 for 1 replacement for Mbacke Diong too.
with UCF you have to divide the roster from the expectation ..
for example your roster last was a tournament team roster ..but you guys finished .500 in conference.. the roster and finish were different things
so im not talking expectation just roster..
without horton its lacking... extreme lack of shooters/ball handlers
assuming youve landed horton (a shooter) the roster is pretty much the conference average. i wouldnt give ucf a roster edge over anyone on roster talent, but isnt below anyone beside Houston (* probably memphis when they fill out the roster)
but you guys have 2 ships even if you land horton... ( i know you guys are in on don carey from Georgetown and elijah weaver but also some lower level guys)... so if you land don carey you are probably back to 3rd in the conference in roster talent.. land an unknown mid major, it's back to middling
Rotation
1 --- Darius Johnson (touted recruit/aac all-freshmen)
2 --- **Horton (pitt sharp shooter) /// Tyem Freeman (Juco all-American)
3 --- **transfer guard (Don Carey; Gtown shooter) /// Brandon Suggs (ECU)
4 --- CJ Walker (Former 5star) /// Taylor Hendricks (top 60 recruit)
5 --- Michael Durr (did 9&8 in the aac) /// Lahat Thioune (Utah)
that is probably a roster good enough to make the tournament ... everyone but john is 6'5ish or taller too/overall old team.. but need to pick up another guard of note
but any expectations for ucf requires johnson to level up, was "good for a freshman" last year.. but needs to just be "good" for ucf to accomplish anything
I think thats a fair evaluation, I’d be very pleased if we landed Carey and Weaver, I think we’d have a pretty balanced team.
Someone noted that Dawkins seemingly pushed out everyone except Green, as they were all basically not good enough. Adams was the supposed “biggest loss”, and he ended up at Buffalo. Jamille had potential but didn’t really seem to get better, and is choosing between Temple and South Carolina, and was basically replaced by Lahat Thioune in terms of production. (And he did it at Utah). The rest just didn’t play much, if at all (Ed’Xavior Rhodes, Dre Fuller, Tony Johnson).
Also rumors that Isaiah Adams didn’t want to come back to UCF last year, and just went through the motions without getting better once he realized no NBA teams wanted him.
I also thought Darius Johnson did a better job than Darius Perry of being a “floor general” at pg, as he’s more vocal and better at driving and kicking out than Perry, who’s usual move was to try and take a contested 3 with 20 seconds on the shot clock, or drive into the lane with 3 defenders crashing in on him. Johnson’s 3 pt shot got drastically better too, he started the year missing like 12 or 13 in a row, then randomly started hitting them relatively consistently (he even hit 3 or 4 in a row against Memphis). I think he’s the closest thing to BJ Taylor we’ve had at PG the last few years, as Dazon Ingram shouldn’t have been a PG and was frankly horrible, and Perry was a SG at heart.
Also UCF fans and insiders are saying we have 3 spots left after Horton…
NCAA publicly saying they are now planning on heavily cracking down on NIL recruiting
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-payments/
major guidelines will be introduced in the coming weeks
they intend to have very strict guidelines that will address the indirect pay for play.. hint that its retroactive..by saying these guidelines arent new rules, but making it clear what should have been obvious on how NIL should have been.. and will start penalizing after that
in the article - ruiz (the miami billionaire guy) says despite what people think what he is doing is kosher.. he isn't paying them to come to miami and every player is required to work for it in some way .. he thinks he will win if they went to court
(05-04-2022 05:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]NCAA publicly saying they are now planning to heavily cracking on NIL recruiting
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-payments/
major guidelines will be introduced in the coming weeks
they intend to have very strict guidelines that will address the indirect pay for play.. hint that its retroactive..by saying these guidelines arent new rules, but making it clear what should have been obvious on how NIL should have been.. and will start penalizing after that
in the article - ruiz (the miami billionaire guy) says despite what people think what he is doing is kosher.. he isn't paying them to come to miami and every player is required to work for it in some way .. he thinks he will win if they went to court
Will be interesting to see how this goes. I don't know enough of the specifics of the Ruiz situation to have an opinion on how he would do, if he ever took the NCAA to court.
Anyway, there's a quote in there that "...we (the NCAA) have never allowed involvement (in recruiting) by boosters under any circumstances." (I'm paraphrasing).
Yet a number of states (22 or so) have NIL laws, or are in the process of passing amendments, some of which allow boosters to be directly involved in NIL deals. Tennessee just passed one. And the laws are different state to state. And the feds seem reluctant to jump in with any clarification or universal law.
I know the NCAA says they will kick out schools in any state that go through with Booster / NIL deals. And that is where I think the NCAA will lose in court.
No org can make and enforce a rule that breaks state laws. Should be fun to watch.
I don't think this will get cleared up any time soon. The NCAA will just (as usual) haphazardly start going after random schools (some but not all), slap penalties on them (inconsistently), then we'll see what happens. State laws are a lot different animal than org rules.
And I contend that the NCAA saying NIL can't be used to recruit anyone to a specific school will lose that fight in court, b/c ALL NIL is an inducement to stay at a specific school, unless it's simply a national brand pulling in spokespersons from all over. But even some of those likely have a wink and a nod, as the shoe companies have been doing for decades. They have always directed recruits to schools they sponsor.
There's been a lot of talk about player movement due to the NIL. But has anyone given any thought to the equally annoying development of boosters and fans feeling like they own these college players? That's going to be just as annoying as player's salary demands. . .ugh
(05-05-2022 12:09 AM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]There's been a lot of talk about player movement due to the NIL. But has anyone given any thought to the equally annoying development of boosters and fans feeling like they own these college players? That's going to be just as annoying as player's salary demands. . .ugh
Development? Boosters have been paying top players in football and basketball as long as I've been alive, and I'm 75. It's just more out in the open now with NIL and is allowed, is more widespread, and the rules, compliance and enforcement are a hot mess.
Since nobody is reading the football transfer portal thread, and NIL is the same issue in both sports, and this one involves Cincinnati, I'll drop it here, too.
I can't wait for the NCAA to punish Texas, lol.
SEC, Pac-12 commissioners to visit Washington in pursuit of help with NIL policies
By ESPN
May 4, 2022, 11:55 pm
EXCERPTS:
..."The goal is to discuss a few of the issues facing college athletics with influential senators," Kliavkoff said. "I think it's more likely that we eventually get federal legislation on name, image and likeness, but we're also interested in discussing all of the harm that will come to student-athletes if they are deemed to be employees..."
...Kliavkoff told ESPN it's imperative to enforce rules prohibiting the use of NIL as a recruiting inducement or pay-for-play.
"Either the NCAA is going to get its act together in enforcing this," he said, "or I'm going to be pushing for a smaller group to figure out how to create and enforce the NIL rules that we all agree on related to inducement and pay-for-play. The amount of an NIL payment should be commensurate with the work done as a backstop to make sure we're not using it related to inducement and pay-for-play."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ource-says
(05-05-2022 06:57 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Since nobody is reading the football transfer portal thread, and NIL is the same issue in both sports, and this one involves Cincinnati, I'll drop it here, too.
I can't wait for the NCAA to punish Texas, lol.
this is a troll.. an obvious one
"Cincinnati {Bengals} DE {in the NFL} Oseph Jossai"