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(04-23-2022 09:45 PM)stxrunner Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i follow a bunch of Wichita people on social media.. and my entire time line is just them blaming NIL as the only reason this is happening...the issue is that they dont have Major NIL programs and its not a wichita problem its a ncaa problem.. "its happening every where" no, its only happening to Wichita at this rate

the national average on portal players is between 3-4... Wichita has 9 in the portal (1 to pro with no draft stock)... no one in the nation lost as many as Wichita, its not close when you account for team that kept the same coach.. this is unquestionably a Wichita problem

NIL was a trigger but it wasn't the problem, Wichita players depending NIL money or transferring is a statement to the Wichita culture,.. can you imagine a player demanding NIL money from Sampson/Gregg Marshall or they will transfer??? the issue is the culture .. the solution isnt having an NIL foundation, because there will always be someone willing to pay more .. but creating a culture of family and loyalty, a culture that the players dont conspire to get NIL money

update is that Wichita fans aren't aware that they currently are #1 in scholarship players in the portal (this doesnt even count Etienne)

the Wichita radio person just mentioned that this is happening everywhere in the country and many other schools have way more transfer than they do

Wichita is #1 and a significant gap between the next team that doesn't have a coaching change , the other teams close or tied had a coaching change

Problem with Wichita is that they are starting to lose their identity. They went from a highly volatile coach to a baby sitter. IB is a nice guy. He's probably a good coach, but he doesn't fit the identity of WSU basketball.

Wichita is a tough blue collar defensive team. That's who they are. They've had a bunch of whiny little ******* for players the last two years. They don't play defense the way they used to. Just my opinion.

IB may not be the right guy for that community. It was like it was a politically correct hire. I understood it at the time, but usually when something goes wrong, the pendulum swings too far in the other direction.

Sort of like going from Bob Huggins to Mick Cronin to…. John Brannen? Not saying IB is a Brannen comp obviously, more comparing it a really weird culture fit that tends to not work at all. I don’t know if Wes ends up working out here, but at the very least he fits the culture here in the program. And that really is important.

I was actually thinking about Miller when I was posting that. WSU needs a guy like Miller with fire in his belly. IB isn't at all like that.

(04-24-2022 05:50 AM)dave108 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2022 05:29 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2022 12:24 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 11:50 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 10:51 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]it wasnt about that, we were just having a discussion the future landscape of college football ...if houston will need a major NIL program... i noted that some regulations will come and itll depend on those regulations if we get a major NIL program.. he doesnt think any major nil regulation will ever come

sidenote- in regards to davis; are we talking directly? no one ever said that, i meant through back channels.. if you are saying there was no contact what-so-ever, even through back channels.. i dont buy that 1 bit

he was in memphis 1 day into the portal, im not talking scheduled a visit after 1 day, i mean in memphis 1 day of the portal... he didn't schedule another visit and committed within a week... memphis beat writer said they had a 9 out of 10 confidence rating they were landing Davis hours of him being in the portal

there is a podcast from 1 month ago, when a memphis beat writer with major connections said they know they are likely landing a major PG, and that it was already in the works.. the same person who had davis a 9 out of 10 confidence rating the exact moment he entered the portal.. side note they gave a mini description of how good the pg was..i noted then davis is 1 of maybe 3 or 4 pgs that could fit that description..

not even adding he commited to memphis visiting no else, and no due diligence when memphis is at risk of post season ban, and playing in the tournament was his last goal, in hos own words (something goodman noted was odd)

Well, let's see how many times you're wrong just in this one post, P.

1. Our debate didn't start in this thread about whether there would be NIL regs or not. That came much later.

Here is your first post to which I responded:

Post # 557
Pesik Wrote: but spicy conspiracy theory.... Davis and Murphy went on memphis official visits almost immediately after entering the portal
there was a major rumor in the houston site that "some program" offered sasser a mega NIL deal to leave and transfer to them ..
now all the top aac transfers all seems to hovering to memphis... suspicious 05-mafia

I responded in #561, Pesik in #562, and off we went. Way before that other stuff.

So you're wrong that it started over NIL regs. No, it started b/c you accused Memphis of cheating by contacting Davis early.

2. Next Pesik statement. You just said above:

"...he was in memphis 1 day into the portal, im not talking scheduled a visit after 1 day, i mean in memphis 1 day of the portal..."

Kendric Davis entered the portal on April 11.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ege-hoops/

Davis started his Memphis visit on Friday, April 15. FOUR DAYS later. Wrong again.

3. Next Pesik statement:

"...he didn't schedule another visit and committed within a week..."

Davis entered the portal on April 11. He committed to Memphis on April 22, late in the evening. Not within a week.

As for your other stuff, I'm not taking the time to fact check it. I do know Munz made that 9 out of 10 prediction at noon the day after Davis entered the portal, but he easily could have called a source in the program that morning, who told him Penny called Davis after he entered the portal (as Pony just told you), and Munz was likely confident b/c Penny has a habit of landing his top target.

bro what??? our current conversation was about the the convo being had by frank..pony94 was asking what our back and forth was about.. we weren't talking about davis anymore.. its nuts to pretend like we were.. we were talking about nil regulation in regards to franks convo (after 83 asked me my opinions on NIL organizations in regards to houston) ... i don't even get nitpicking that as it doesnt benefit you or does it make you look better

your Davis points are being nit picky.. he "technically announceced 11 day later so not technically a week".. he said he was commiting on the 18th, are you to believe he hadnt decided when he made a commitment date?????

and "one day of being in the portal", not the "next day" - one day of being in the portal is the 13th, and the 15th is still insanely fast

you are picking dumb things to nitpick

literally no added details you added change the believability of anything ..

i wont even note that his finalist kept completely changing , literally he'd go from these teams are my finalist, to then saying i chose between these teams, and literally only memphis overlapped ... it was always memphis- it was set before he ever went in the portal

no one with any common sense would think there wasn't back channel talks

You still can't get details straight. And you twist every single thing.

Davis entered the portal on April 11th. Not the 12th. Not the 13th. The visit was on the 15th. That's 4 damn days.

You originally said one, and your story keeps changing. And 11 days is not a week. You shade everything to your point.

And if somebody rebuts your point, you ignore it and make some strawman argument about something else. Or defend it by twisting things around.

I didn't engage on the subject of Davis until you posted your conspiracy theory (your words). I even re-posted those posts where this convo string started.

Since then, you have tried your best to convince everyone that Penny contacted Davis before he entered the portal, and thus Memphis was cheating, though you have no actual evidence. All your dates and examples are inaccurate.

Then Pony94, who obviously has connections at SMU, told you Penny did NOT contact Davis early, and you simply dismissed it out of hand.

Btw, I don't go back and forth with you to convince you of anything. That's impossible. You rarely if ever concede a point, no matter how minor. You ignore counter-arguments, or present more inaccurate info in your defense.

You brush off people who obviously have better connections at a particular school than you do. In the NIL debate, you also brushed off two attorneys by claiming they were talking only about pay for play, when they obviously mentioned and discussed both that and NIL. making many of the same points.

It's futile to try to have an intelligent debate with you. I just present my viewpoint so others can make up their minds whom and what they want to believe.

i don't think coach p tries to be a tool, he just is. he's basically harmless. i don't think anyone takes him seriously. just put him on ignore, and your time on this board will be much calmer.

LOL. Thanks for the advice, but I've been on this board for about 13 years, back when it was still the Big East, and Memphis was still trying to gain entry. I get irritated for a minute, but get over it and just start laughing. Plus, calm is overrated on a message board. lol. Hard to get through the din.

I ignore most of his stuff, but when somebody tries to accuse Memphis of cheating without proof, then ignores proof to the contrary, it will get a reaction.

As I said before, if I was just trying to convince him to consider a different position, I would never say a word, b/c it's impossible. I react to expose the inconsistencies, in case others here think that stuff is somehow accurate.

Plus, who is the one person involved in practically every dustup on this board? It ain't me, lol.

P in 3...2...1...

With proof???

This is what I nuts about your takes

(04-24-2022 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I ignore most of his stuff, but when somebody tries to accuse Memphis of cheating without proof, then ignores proof to the contrary, it will get a reaction.

Plus, who is the one person involved in practically every dustup on this board? It ain't me, lol.

P in 3...2...1...

this is obvious,, becuase everyone here is self centered about their own team

i could ask you to name 3 returning players on USF without googling... i doubt anyone here not a usf fan would know.. none here could even argue a homer take about another team

when a temple fans says a mediocre transfer is the best player in the conference and comfortably better then everyone else, most just dont know who he is, me probably the only non-temple fan here who follows temple saying that makes no sense.. and that creates a dust up..it me, not the wild take

also not every dust up.. but every sports conversation, in the last 4 years here i dont think a single person here not an ecu fan has had a conversation about ecu's basketball team but me (good or bad), most convos arent even dustups ..its not like theres regular dialogue between ya'll here and im the only one here causing a ruckus, im the only dialogue


also now you recognize talking beforehand as cheating???? you said it wasnt cheating and not a big deal, i never said it was cheating , just suspicious
this is one of biggest super homer flips from you: it wasnt cheating when you had nothing to counter, when 1 anonymous smu fan says there was no contact, it was cheating and memphis didnt do it

nuts!!

(04-24-2022 01:17 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2022 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I ignore most of his stuff, but when somebody tries to accuse Memphis of cheating without proof, then ignores proof to the contrary, it will get a reaction.

Plus, who is the one person involved in practically every dustup on this board? It ain't me, lol.

P in 3...2...1...

this is obvious,, becuase every here is self centered about their own team

i could ask you to name 3 returning players on USF without googling... i doubt anyone here not a usf fan would know.. none here could even argue a homer take about another team

when a temple fans says a mediocre transfer is the best player in the conference and comfortably better then everyone else, most just dont know who he is, me probably the only non-temple fan here who follows temple saying that makes no sense.. and that creates a dust up..it me, not a wild take

also not every dust up.. but every sports conversation, in the last 4 years here i dont think a single person here not an ecu fan has had a conversation about ecu's basketball team but me (good or bad), most convos arent even dustups ..its not like there theres regular dialogue between ya'll here and im the only here causing a ruckus, im the only dialogue


also now you recognize talking beforehand as cheating???? you said it wasnt cheating and not a big deal, i never said it was cheating , just suspicious
this is one of biggest super homer flips from you: it wasnt cheating when you had nothing to counter, when 1 anonymous smu fan says there was no contact, it was cheating and memphis didnt do it

nuts!!

Reading comprehension. It is perceived as cheating, b/c the NCAA makes an arbitrary rule about when you can and can't talk to somebody, like that matters in the end, and of course they never enforce it. So I think it's ridiculous to label it as such.

Do you recall me mentioning that Boogie Ellis was recruited by SDSU and USC for a year before he left? Did I ever complain about that? Nope, just mentioned it as a point.

I tried to explain that with the line about old sex laws on the books that are never enforced, and thus defunct, but I guess you missed that.

(04-24-2022 01:17 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2022 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I ignore most of his stuff, but when somebody tries to accuse Memphis of cheating without proof, then ignores proof to the contrary, it will get a reaction.

Plus, who is the one person involved in practically every dustup on this board? It ain't me, lol.

P in 3...2...1...

this is obvious,, becuase everyone here is self centered about their own team

i could ask you to name 3 returning players on USF without googling... i doubt anyone here not a usf fan would know.. none here could even argue a homer take about another team

when a temple fans says a mediocre transfer is the best player in the conference and comfortably better then everyone else, most just dont know who he is, me probably the only non-temple fan here who follows temple saying that makes no sense.. and that creates a dust up..it me, not the wild take

also not every dust up.. but every sports conversation, in the last 4 years here i dont think a single person here not an ecu fan has had a conversation about ecu's basketball team but me (good or bad), most convos arent even dustups ..its not like theres regular dialogue between ya'll here and im the only one here causing a ruckus, im the only dialogue


also now you recognize talking beforehand as cheating???? you said it wasnt cheating and not a big deal, i never said it was cheating , just suspicious
this is one of biggest super homer flips from you: it wasnt cheating when you had nothing to counter, when 1 anonymous smu fan says there was no contact, it was cheating and memphis didnt do it

nuts!!

I could have said all that for you in four words Coach......

I
Have
No
Life.

(04-24-2022 04:15 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote: [ -> ]I could have said all that for you in four words Coach......

I
Have
No
Life.

its 11 teams calm down...i know Zhuric Phelps name, that took 3 secs... lack of interest by everyone here in any other team doesnt equate to the fact it takes time and effort to follow 11 teams

there are legit people who follow all 358 teams...the issue is simply no one here cares about anyone but there own team to spend 5mins looking them up.. in the big east board everyone is familiar with everyones team

(04-23-2022 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i follow a bunch of Wichita people on social media.. and my entire time line is just them blaming NIL as the only reason this is happening...the issue is that they dont have Major NIL programs and its not a wichita problem its a ncaa problem.. "its happening every where" no, its only happening to Wichita at this rate

the national average on portal players is between 3-4... Wichita has 9 in the portal (1 to pro with no draft stock)... no one in the nation lost as many as Wichita, its not close when you account for team that kept the same coach.. this is unquestionably a Wichita problem

NIL was a trigger but it wasn't the problem, Wichita players depending NIL money or transferring is a statement to the Wichita culture,.. can you imagine a player demanding NIL money from Sampson/Gregg Marshall or they will transfer??? the issue is the culture .. the solution isnt having an NIL foundation, because there will always be someone willing to pay more .. but creating a culture of family and loyalty, a culture that the players dont conspire to get NIL money

update is that Wichita fans aren't aware that they currently are #1 in scholarship players in the portal (this doesnt even count Etienne)

the Wichita radio person just mentioned that this is happening everywhere in the country and many other schools have way more transfer than they do

Wichita is #1 and a significant gap between the next team that doesn't have a coaching change , the other teams close or tied had a coaching change

Do you still think IB is a good coach and right fit at WSU?

Please tell me you see the light now.

(04-24-2022 04:30 PM)ShockerFever Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i follow a bunch of Wichita people on social media.. and my entire time line is just them blaming NIL as the only reason this is happening...the issue is that they dont have Major NIL programs and its not a wichita problem its a ncaa problem.. "its happening every where" no, its only happening to Wichita at this rate

the national average on portal players is between 3-4... Wichita has 9 in the portal (1 to pro with no draft stock)... no one in the nation lost as many as Wichita, its not close when you account for team that kept the same coach.. this is unquestionably a Wichita problem

NIL was a trigger but it wasn't the problem, Wichita players depending NIL money or transferring is a statement to the Wichita culture,.. can you imagine a player demanding NIL money from Sampson/Gregg Marshall or they will transfer??? the issue is the culture .. the solution isnt having an NIL foundation, because there will always be someone willing to pay more .. but creating a culture of family and loyalty, a culture that the players dont conspire to get NIL money

update is that Wichita fans aren't aware that they currently are #1 in scholarship players in the portal (this doesnt even count Etienne)

the Wichita radio person just mentioned that this is happening everywhere in the country and many other schools have way more transfer than they do

Wichita is #1 and a significant gap between the next team that doesn't have a coaching change , the other teams close or tied had a coaching change

Do you still think IB is a good coach and right fit at WSU?

Please tell me you see the light now.

i think he is better game coach than wichita gives him credit for, i just thought wichita roster was flawed

but i do think IB isn't the one anymore, i dont have faith in his ability to put together a roster, but this whole debacle has put into question the culture and loyalty he had established at wichita
i don't think a single player would have dared asked marshall for NIL money or they transfer

(04-23-2022 09:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i follow a bunch of Wichita people on social media.. and my entire time line is just them blaming NIL as the only reason this is happening...the issue is that they dont have Major NIL programs and its not a wichita problem its a ncaa problem.. "its happening every where" no, its only happening to Wichita at this rate

the national average on portal players is between 3-4... Wichita has 9 in the portal (1 to pro with no draft stock)... no one in the nation lost as many as Wichita, its not close when you account for team that kept the same coach.. this is unquestionably a Wichita problem

NIL was a trigger but it wasn't the problem, Wichita players depending NIL money or transferring is a statement to the Wichita culture,.. can you imagine a player demanding NIL money from Sampson/Gregg Marshall or they will transfer??? the issue is the culture .. the solution isnt having an NIL foundation, because there will always be someone willing to pay more .. but creating a culture of family and loyalty, a culture that the players dont conspire to get NIL money

update is that Wichita fans aren't aware that they currently are #1 in scholarship players in the portal (this doesnt even count Etienne)

the Wichita radio person just mentioned that this is happening everywhere in the country and many other schools have way more transfer than they do

Wichita is #1 and a significant gap between the next team that doesn't have a coaching change , the other teams close or tied had a coaching change

Problem with Wichita is that they are starting to lose their identity. They went from a highly volatile coach to a baby sitter. IB is a nice guy. He's probably a good coach, but he doesn't fit the identity of WSU basketball.

Wichita is a tough blue collar defensive team. That's who they are. They've had a bunch of whiny little ******* for players the last two years. They don't play defense the way they used to. Just my opinion.

IB may not be the right guy for that community. It was like it was a politically correct hire. I understood it at the time, but usually when something goes wrong, the pendulum swings too far in the other direction.

You’re absolutely correct. After Marshall, WSU had the name power that warranted a complete and national search. But instead, the keys to the kingdom were given to an assistant coach with zero head coaching experience. It’s not Brown’s fault that he’s in this position. It’s a couple of factors. His first season was during Covid and WSU lucked its way into a “championship” and he won COY. This doesn’t happen playing a complete schedule. So of course because of this, he is given the head coaching job. The biggest problem is that the lazy ass athletic director gave him a sweetheart contract, a salary that was way over his level and a buyout that made no sense. Brown would’ve taken half the salary and less of a buyout. It could have been incentive based. He was not in the position to command top dollar. But instead the AD gave him an offer he couldn’t pass up, no matter how underqualified he was and this is where we stand. Brown just doesn’t have the personality and skills to be a head coach at this level. His players don’t respect him. And now we have 9 players in the transfer portal. Coincidence? I think not. Sure NIL is some of the story but it isn’t THE story.

But going forward, this model is likely to break college basketball. It’s not sustainable and I personally don’t think interest will remain with a minor league NBA system in place. Sure it might be fun for the top 20 schools, but after that, it just becomes hard to follow. Money always ruins everything.

(04-24-2022 04:40 PM)ShockerFever Wrote: [ -> ]But going forward, this model is likely to break college basketball. It’s not sustainable and I personally don’t think interest will remain with a minor league NBA system in place. Sure it might be fun for the top 20 schools, but after that, it just becomes hard to follow. Money always ruins everything.

i disagree, for most teams in the nation most things haven't changed.. wichita fans are looking through a lens of "whats happening to them is happening everywhere" the sport is doomed, when that isn't the case
(Wichita's case: losing most good players for wanting NIL, and struggling to bring anyone in)

there's actually a conversation on reddit right now about this, all the top comments are "how is this year different than any other year" " i cant think of any team that is suffering from NIL"

scholarship limits are a thing, 1 time transfer rules are a thing.. the impact is over exaggerated..its just figuring out the rules of engagement

Wichita is having an outlier extreme case, so i get as a Wichita fan seeing the worst, but its not that bad, the current national average in transfers is between 3-4 (There are 13 players on roster)- and everyone lost deep bench players

I am certain I’ve brought up ECU’s MBB on here multiple times.

They are our yardstick, our model, the program we try to both emulate and, lord willing, someday, elevate above.

That is a long way to go but I know we can do it.

Go ECU! Pirates in the House!!

We comin’ for you.

And Coach P knows it, too.
And the score of the last ECU/Rice OOC game, it would not surprise me.

(04-24-2022 04:40 PM)ShockerFever Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2022 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i follow a bunch of Wichita people on social media.. and my entire time line is just them blaming NIL as the only reason this is happening...the issue is that they dont have Major NIL programs and its not a wichita problem its a ncaa problem.. "its happening every where" no, its only happening to Wichita at this rate

the national average on portal players is between 3-4... Wichita has 9 in the portal (1 to pro with no draft stock)... no one in the nation lost as many as Wichita, its not close when you account for team that kept the same coach.. this is unquestionably a Wichita problem

NIL was a trigger but it wasn't the problem, Wichita players depending NIL money or transferring is a statement to the Wichita culture,.. can you imagine a player demanding NIL money from Sampson/Gregg Marshall or they will transfer??? the issue is the culture .. the solution isnt having an NIL foundation, because there will always be someone willing to pay more .. but creating a culture of family and loyalty, a culture that the players dont conspire to get NIL money

update is that Wichita fans aren't aware that they currently are #1 in scholarship players in the portal (this doesnt even count Etienne)

the Wichita radio person just mentioned that this is happening everywhere in the country and many other schools have way more transfer than they do

Wichita is #1 and a significant gap between the next team that doesn't have a coaching change , the other teams close or tied had a coaching change

Problem with Wichita is that they are starting to lose their identity. They went from a highly volatile coach to a baby sitter. IB is a nice guy. He's probably a good coach, but he doesn't fit the identity of WSU basketball.

Wichita is a tough blue collar defensive team. That's who they are. They've had a bunch of whiny little ******* for players the last two years. They don't play defense the way they used to. Just my opinion.

IB may not be the right guy for that community. It was like it was a politically correct hire. I understood it at the time, but usually when something goes wrong, the pendulum swings too far in the other direction.

You’re absolutely correct. After Marshall, WSU had the name power that warranted a complete and national search. But instead, the keys to the kingdom were given to an assistant coach with zero head coaching experience. It’s not Brown’s fault that he’s in this position. It’s a couple of factors. His first season was during Covid and WSU lucked its way into a “championship” and he won COY. This doesn’t happen playing a complete schedule. So of course because of this, he is given the head coaching job. The biggest problem is that the lazy ass athletic director gave him a sweetheart contract, a salary that was way over his level and a buyout that made no sense. Brown would’ve taken half the salary and less of a buyout. It could have been incentive based. He was not in the position to command top dollar. But instead the AD gave him an offer he couldn’t pass up, no matter how underqualified he was and this is where we stand. Brown just doesn’t have the personality and skills to be a head coach at this level. His players don’t respect him. And now we have 9 players in the transfer portal. Coincidence? I think not. Sure NIL is some of the story but it isn’t THE story.

But going forward, this model is likely to break college basketball. It’s not sustainable and I personally don’t think interest will remain with a minor league NBA system in place. Sure it might be fun for the top 20 schools, but after that, it just becomes hard to follow. Money always ruins everything.

Have you guys tried firing him for cause?

(04-22-2022 04:25 PM)ShockerFever Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022 11:29 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022 02:14 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]Expect Wichita to be dead last for the forseeable future. Being forced to hire IB is gonna bury the program. I know why they had to .. but player retention was supposed to be his strong suit ... just lost 8 of 12 scholarship players this year.

I love the way next season has already ended for you before the games are played or recruiting season has ended. The transfer portal has changed things for every school, that's not on IB. That's on WSU Admin to develop an NIL program that's competitive and could attract/keep recruits. I think we will end up with a team that's competitive. Porter left the door open to return and IB was able to get Mo to return last year. Wichita isn't a place where your going to get a recruiting class full of 4 and 5 star players. Traditionally we have been a place that has recruited blue collar guys and overlooked guys and built something special. Recent example: Fred VanVleet was an under recruited PG and Ron Baker was a walk on. One 15-13 season and the sky is falling! The way shocker fans are acting you would think we went 5-23. Just let it play out and stop acting like you can fire IB and every blueblood men's basketball coach would be tripping over themselves to get here! We both know if he has another season like last year he will be fired. But maybe the opposite happens and maybe . . .just maybe we have a turnaround similar to what Iowa State did this year, when incoming transfers led them to March Madness! There are 1400 players in the portal, so he has a chance to bring in some good replacements.

This post didn’t age well.

??? Didn't age well?! The next season hasn't happened yet. So I think I'm gonna stick by my previous post. As previously stated another 15-13 year and they will move on from IB. I just think it's sad that his tenure as coach will be marred with starting from the Gregg Marshall drama and ending with the Athletic directors NIL incompetence.

No I don't think NIL bares all of the blame for players moving on but it played a large part. WSU Admin was slow to adapt. Pesik mentioned culture and character issues I haven't found any story about that. What was your source P?

(04-25-2022 12:01 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-22-2022 04:25 PM)ShockerFever Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022 11:29 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022 02:14 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]Expect Wichita to be dead last for the forseeable future. Being forced to hire IB is gonna bury the program. I know why they had to .. but player retention was supposed to be his strong suit ... just lost 8 of 12 scholarship players this year.

I love the way next season has already ended for you before the games are played or recruiting season has ended. The transfer portal has changed things for every school, that's not on IB. That's on WSU Admin to develop an NIL program that's competitive and could attract/keep recruits. I think we will end up with a team that's competitive. Porter left the door open to return and IB was able to get Mo to return last year. Wichita isn't a place where your going to get a recruiting class full of 4 and 5 star players. Traditionally we have been a place that has recruited blue collar guys and overlooked guys and built something special. Recent example: Fred VanVleet was an under recruited PG and Ron Baker was a walk on. One 15-13 season and the sky is falling! The way shocker fans are acting you would think we went 5-23. Just let it play out and stop acting like you can fire IB and every blueblood men's basketball coach would be tripping over themselves to get here! We both know if he has another season like last year he will be fired. But maybe the opposite happens and maybe . . .just maybe we have a turnaround similar to what Iowa State did this year, when incoming transfers led them to March Madness! There are 1400 players in the portal, so he has a chance to bring in some good replacements.

This post didn’t age well.

??? Didn't age well?! The next season hasn't happened yet. So I think I'm gonna stick by my previous post. As previously stated another 15-13 year and they will move on from IB. I just think it's sad that his tenure as coach will be marred with starting from the Gregg Marshall drama and ending with the Athletic directors NIL incompetence.

No I don't think NIL bares all of the blame for players moving on but it played a large part. WSU Admin was slow to adapt. Pesik mentioned culture and character issues I haven't found any story about that. What was your source P?

P's source is always himself and his "research" he does

(04-25-2022 12:01 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]Pesik mentioned culture and character issues I haven't found any story about that. What was your source P?

i noted eldridge stating that the players that left demanding NIL money from Wichita or transferring

that was what i was referring to.. can you imagine a player asking coach Sampson, coach k, jay wright .. demanding to get NIL money or transferring

Wichita is currently tied for #1 nationally in players in the portal...every other team that is close is changing head coaches...'

100% of all 358 D1 teams are dealing with NIL (96% of them do not have major NIL organizations).. only Wichita is having a mass exodus... its simply not NIL

(04-25-2022 12:18 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022 12:01 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]Pesik mentioned culture and character issues I haven't found any story about that. What was your source P?

i noted eldridge stating that the players that left demanding NIL money from Wichita or transferring

that was what i was referring to.. can you imagine a player asking coach Sampson, coach k, jay wright .. demanding to get NIL money or transferring

Wichita is currently tied for #1 nationally in players in the portal...every other team that is close is changing head coaches...'

100% of all 358 D1 teams are dealing with NIL (96% of them do not have major NIL organizations).. only Wichita is having a mass exodus... its simply not NIL

Two of the three coaches you listed have retired.

In the new environment, coaches will have to content with the reality of NIL - including retaining better performing players. Granted, if anyone can resist the tide, it is Sampson.

(04-25-2022 12:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022 12:18 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022 12:01 PM)GQbless Wrote: [ -> ]Pesik mentioned culture and character issues I haven't found any story about that. What was your source P?

i noted eldridge stating that the players that left demanding NIL money from Wichita or transferring

that was what i was referring to.. can you imagine a player asking coach Sampson, coach k, jay wright .. demanding to get NIL money or transferring

Wichita is currently tied for #1 nationally in players in the portal...every other team that is close is changing head coaches...'

100% of all 358 D1 teams are dealing with NIL (96% of them do not have major NIL organizations).. only Wichita is having a mass exodus... its simply not NIL

Two of the three coaches you listed have retired.

In the new environment, coaches will have to content with the reality of NIL - including retaining better performing players. Granted, if anyone can resist the tide, it is Sampson.

you can replace those coaches with anyone that is prominent.. you arent demanding NIL or transferring from anyone respectable

everyone in wichita is blaming the new system for its recent failures, and on its leadership for not acting fast enough to adapt to it

there is a sample size of 358 in this system, if only 1 is having an extreme adverse reaction to the system, it is not the system but an underlying issue within that 1 program, unique to that program

hell the team with the 2nd biggest team with transfer issues is memphis who doesnt have an NIL issue... the 3rd is ucf who has an established NIL program aswell..

NIL might be the trigger but its not the root

Another byproduct of our AD's failure with NIL. He was excited to potentially play with Ricky. Ricky gets NIL offers, goes in the portal, Rudi cancels his visit.