(04-18-2022 02:36 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 01:49 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2022 04:34 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2022 03:42 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ]I could see Murphy doing well at Memphis. He needs to be surrounded by good three point shooters, higher chances of that happening at Memphis than they ever did at USF.
murphy should not go anywhere near memphis ... ive noted this before memphis is "showcase" program, not a "development" program
murphy needs development, not be showcased... memphis is a great situation for unknown great players.. memphis will get your name out there
murphy shot is SOO poor he needs to go to program that can help him fix that.. he goes to memphis in 2/3 years i guarantee you "terrible shooter" will still be on his scouting report..
outside of growing older and becoming more comfortable with the college speed there isnt a single memphis player that showed major development from 1 year to the next under penny, the closest example is lomax (the last 8 games of last season), but that took him 3.5 years to get there and he didnt improve a bad skillset, he just did what he normally does but better
murphy needs to go to a iowa, arizona, wisconsin type program that are known for development.. he needs a Sampson type coach -- everyone in houston gets drastically better from 1 year to the next (ie damyean dotson, quentin grimes, fabian white all came in with a reputation of being poor shooters, left with a reputation of being elite shooters for their postions)
murphy has legtimate NBA positional if he can just develop his shot
I don’t think anyone can actually say this definitively yet. Only Baugh out of all the transfers actually improved after leaving. So it could mostly be they are what they are.
Recruits since Penny started:
Lomax- improved overall but never developed a shot
Harris- better at Memphis than Iowa state
Quinones- improved but not majorly, still a solid player
Dandridge- no heart bum
Williams- already came in as a great player
Jayden- actually very much improved
Nolley- already old and a good player on arrival
Transfers:
Boogie- same player at usc
Jeffries- same thing at miss state
Cisse- same at ok state
Antwaan Jones- headcase everywhere he’s been
Wingett- nothing after transfer. Never got on the court for us
Baugh- significantly improved this year at tcu
Then you have the nba players who you obviously only have 1 year so don’t get to see develop.
Lomax and Harris were 3 star recruits. Jayden was like a 2 star. Hardly any guys ranked like that become much other than depth at a high major.
Quinones went from a 31% three point shooter to a 40% and almost 1 less turnover a game. FG% went up. Always been a 10ppg player but got more efficient.
a few points of contention lomax and harris were major recruits. both were highly sought after... harris was seen as a program changing by memphis fans when he commited, both were 4 star on 2 of the 3 recruiting sites.. lets not try to downplay them as run of the mil guys
harris: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...arris-4653
lomax: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...omax-40923
note both were drastically higher than every player on houston who played + sasser.. mark was the only player more touted than those 2 on our roster
boogie definitely improved at USC.. the stats dont tell the full story, his film is drastically better..ellis is literally used as the example as to why to transfer from memphis
nolley wasnt that old on arrival ..
but my point:
nolley, quiones, lomax, dandridge, boogie types would have been major players by now had they been in a better development program
Gonna have to hard disagree on Boogie he is just a streaky scorer that will win you some games and disappear in others. So much so that USC wouldn’t let him off the bench in the NCAA tourney when they were down and needed threes. Nolley was essentially a Junior arriving at Memphis he had to sit out his first season and then played one at vatech before arriving at Memphis. Lomax and Harris are 5”10 guards… only a handful of guys that size become “Major” players. All I’m saying is the sample size is still too small. Nobody was going to make Dandridge a major player the dude just doesn’t give AF
(04-18-2022 09:33 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]Gonna have to hard disagree on Boogie he is just a streaky scorer that will win you some games and disappear in others. So much so that USC wouldn’t let him off the bench in the NCAA tourney when they were down and needed threes. Nolley was essentially a Junior arriving at Memphis he had to sit out his first season and then played one at vatech before arriving at Memphis. Lomax and Harris are 5”10 guards… only a handful of guys that size become “Major” players. All I’m saying is the sample size is still too small. Nobody was going to make Dandridge a major player the dude just doesn’t give AF
lomax is literally jamal shead.. when we landed jamal shead i had deep fears he would be like lomax. they had literal identical highs school/recruitng profiles.. their scouting reports coming in were identical. especially with how shead looked in the few minutes he played as a true freshmen ..
shead is now considered one of the best PGs in the nation
the sample size isnt too small.... there isnt a single case of improvement for like 20 players
as compared to houston there isnt a SINGLE player who didnt improve ..including the juco who came in older than nolley.. justin gorham transferred in a at 22, won most improved in the aac, just last year at 24..
i challenge you name a
ANY houston player,
any player and ill tell you how they drastically improved from 1 year to the next
also boogie was the lead #1 guards of a ncaa tournament team.. was a rotation guard of NIT team at memphis , how are we going to say he didnt improve
(04-18-2022 09:47 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 09:33 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]Gonna have to hard disagree on Boogie he is just a streaky scorer that will win you some games and disappear in others. So much so that USC wouldn’t let him off the bench in the NCAA tourney when they were down and needed threes. Nolley was essentially a Junior arriving at Memphis he had to sit out his first season and then played one at vatech before arriving at Memphis. Lomax and Harris are 5”10 guards… only a handful of guys that size become “Major” players. All I’m saying is the sample size is still too small. Nobody was going to make Dandridge a major player the dude just doesn’t give AF
lomax is literally jamal shead.. when we landed jamal shead i had deep fears he would be like lomax. they had literal identical highs school/recruitng profiles.. their scouting reports coming in were identical. especially with how shead looked in the few minutes he played as a true freshmen ..
shead is now considered one of the best PGs in the nation
the sample size isnt too small.... there isnt a single case of improvement for like 20 players
as compared to houston there isnt a SINGLE player who didnt improve ..including the juco who came in older than nolley.. justin gorham transferred in a at 22, won most improved in the aac, just last year at 24..
i challenge you name a ANY houston player, any player and ill tell you how they drastically improved from 1 year to the next
also boogie was the lead #1 guards of a ncaa tournament team.. was a rotation guard of NIT team at memphis , how are we going to say he didnt improve
He played 14 mins in their last game because they couldn’t trust him. He was never off the bench the last 10 minutes of that game either. He played an extra 5 minutes a game at USC vs here but Penny plays much deeper.
I’m not doubting Sampson’s ability to get people to buy into his system/develop them. The dude is amazing. Maybe the best in the ncaa. You may very well be right but until I see the same thing happen with the next group of guys Penny brings in that are freshman (which he doesn’t even seem to want to recruit anymore) I think the jury is still out. All of his guys have improved, just none became word beaters and when they transfer to another school and play the same way well… I’d say the problem is the player.
20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
(04-18-2022 03:39 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]somewhat disappointing, was hoping theyd pickup a more win now prospect..
lol rothstein tweeted him as a top 100 recruit, i got excited only to find out he isnt top 100 on any recruiting site... not even top 200 on nay site...rothstein just made that up lol
but hoping they still find a way to land a more "win now" center
Looks like a good recruit. Still could (and hopefully will) get an experienced low post player. and we need another point guard.
(04-18-2022 09:20 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 07:18 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]So all you're really saying is Penny might be explaining, or having Memphis businessmen explain, what money they could make from NIL. And apparently, we're the only ones in CFB or CBB doing that. 
a few counter takes... no i dont think most major teams are bribing commited/enrolled kids, i think some but not most.. if im honest i do think memphis is doing it.. most heavily NIL schools arent even relying on the portal..
weirdly enough is that they are targeting lower level transfers ..if uconn is bribing they arent settling for tristen newton (no offense)
i guarantee you houston isnt bribing kids with NIL money, we are taking unknown players, why would we be doing that if we are bribing, we win off development not overwhelming talent.. why would we take a unknown mid major major PF, with significant injury problems to play guard for us (taze moore)
also schools have the "option" to report it.. many still wont.. international players cant do NIL, are we going to believe they arent getting NIL money...memphis is under investigation by the ncaa there is incentive to not report anything with bates and duren.. bates literally bought the entire memphis roster 6k worth of jordans on a whim.. are we going to pretend he can afford that without NIL.
and the issue with memphis is that memphis has been so blatant about it.. no other team in the nation is this blatant about it
While this is a transfer portal thread, and while Memphis still seems to be attracting quality players, it's hard to predict how the NCAA investigation will affect the program over the next two seasons.
The affects on some programs have been devastating, and have taken years to recover from. Others (e.g., PSU/OSU FB, Memphis MBB in 2010), have had continued success, or have bounced back very quickly.
Few seem to expect any major adverse effects, of the kind that would force a coaching change. It seems no one expects anything more than a one season tournament ban, which could occur in 2023 or 2024, and after which business would be expected to go on, more or less, as usual.
(04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 09:47 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 09:33 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]Gonna have to hard disagree on Boogie he is just a streaky scorer that will win you some games and disappear in others. So much so that USC wouldn’t let him off the bench in the NCAA tourney when they were down and needed threes. Nolley was essentially a Junior arriving at Memphis he had to sit out his first season and then played one at vatech before arriving at Memphis. Lomax and Harris are 5”10 guards… only a handful of guys that size become “Major” players. All I’m saying is the sample size is still too small. Nobody was going to make Dandridge a major player the dude just doesn’t give AF
lomax is literally jamal shead.. when we landed jamal shead i had deep fears he would be like lomax. they had literal identical highs school/recruitng profiles.. their scouting reports coming in were identical. especially with how shead looked in the few minutes he played as a true freshmen ..
shead is now considered one of the best PGs in the nation
the sample size isnt too small.... there isnt a single case of improvement for like 20 players
as compared to houston there isnt a SINGLE player who didnt improve ..including the juco who came in older than nolley.. justin gorham transferred in a at 22, won most improved in the aac, just last year at 24..
i challenge you name a ANY houston player, any player and ill tell you how they drastically improved from 1 year to the next
also boogie was the lead #1 guards of a ncaa tournament team.. was a rotation guard of NIT team at memphis , how are we going to say he didnt improve
He played 14 mins in their last game because they couldn’t trust him. He was never off the bench the last 10 minutes of that game either. He played an extra 5 minutes a game at USC vs here but Penny plays much deeper.
I’m not doubting Sampson’s ability to get people to buy into his system/develop them. The dude is amazing. Maybe the best in the ncaa. You may very well be right but until I see the same thing happen with the next group of guys Penny brings in that are freshman (which he doesn’t even seem to want to recruit anymore) I think the jury is still out. All of his guys have improved, just none became word beaters and when they transfer to another school and play the same way well… I’d say the problem is the player.
20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include them guys who transfer in.
why are you using 1 game to judge boogie.. uscfans are literally begging boogie to come back ..
also you are aware boogie had a bum ankle in the ncaa tournament he sustained in the pac12 tournament, after scoring 30 in his last game...
coach probably thought it was smart to not play the hurt player, especially when the backup was shooting close to 100%... you are looking to deep into that 1 game..
boogie actually has draft stock (weak draft stock) but way better than what he left memphis with.. despite that 1 game, what you your reasoning he didnt improve becuase he drastically did
(04-18-2022 09:20 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 07:18 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]So all you're really saying is Penny might be explaining, or having Memphis businessmen explain, what money they could make from NIL. And apparently, we're the only ones in CFB or CBB doing that.
a few counter takes... no i dont think most major teams are bribing commited/enrolled kids, i think some but not most.. if im honest i do think memphis is doing it.. most heavily NIL schools arent even relying on the portal..
weirdly enough is that they are targeting lower level transfers ..if uconn is bribing they arent settling for tristen newton (no offense)
i guarantee you houston isnt bribing kids with NIL money, we are taking unknown players, why would we be doing that if we are bribing, we win off development not overwhelming talent.. why would we take a unknown mid major major PF, with significant injury problems to play guard for us (taze moore)
also schools have the "option" to report it.. many still wont.. international players cant do NIL, are we going to believe they arent getting NIL money...memphis is under investigation by the ncaa there is incentive to not report anything with bates and duren.. bates literally bought the entire memphis roster 6k worth of jordans on a whim.. are we going to pretend he can afford that without NIL.
and the issue with memphis is that memphis has been so blatant about it.. no other team in the nation is this blatant about it
Dang P, nobody is BRIBING anybody. Bribes are ILLEGAL. NIL is not illegal. Penny can't pay NIL. Neither can the school. Only businessmen can pay NIL. And it has to be reported to the IRS.
Btw, Memphis has signed a firm to discuss potential deals with players. All above board and NCAA approved.
All you are using are conspiracy theories and innuendo. Where's those million dollar FedEx deals you were so sure were promised to Bates and Duren?
And if you think no coaches are discussing NIL possibilities with recruits, well, we'll just have to strongly disagree.
And Memphis is the most blatant? Did you forget Nick Saban announcing his QB who hadn't played a game had close to $1M in deals before he threw a single pass? Or a myriad of other schools who have announced all kinds of NIL deals?
Yeah, but Memphis is the only school being "blatant" about NIL. Which is LEGAL, lol.
(04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
(04-18-2022 10:29 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Dang P, nobody is BRIBING anybody. Bribes are ILLEGAL. NIL is not illegal. Penny can't pay NIL. Neither can the school. Only businessmen can pay NIL. And it has to be reported to the IRS.
Btw, Memphis has signed a firm to discuss potential deals with players. All above board and NCAA approved.
All you are using are conspiracy theories and innuendo. Where's those million dollar FedEx deals you were so sure were promised to Bates and Duren?
And if you think no coaches are discussing NIL possibilities with recruits, well, we'll just have to strongly disagree.
And Memphis is the most blatant? Did you forget Nick Saban announcing his QB who hadn't played a game had close to $1M in deals before he threw a single pass? Or a myriad of other schools who have announced all kinds of NIL deals?
Yeah, but Memphis is the only school being "blatant" about NIL. Which is LEGAL, lol.
you are a super memphis fans so ill let you have your peace, and ignore common sense..
your entire counter is that there is no hard evidence to show the NIL deal.. there is no hard evidence to show anyone's NIL deal.. show me the irs documents for anyone's NIL deal? show me the details in general for any NIL?- this isnt public documentation
and blatant about NIL recruiting, not NIL money...Kentucky is blatant in showing their players are getting NIL deals ..they aren't going to top players on top teams telling them to transfer here and ill give you NIL ... they recruit saying their players get tons of NIL.not going to players are paying them to leave their schools.. Kentucky has zero transfers and not even making the finalist for most of the guys they've reached out too
kendric davis was in memphis 1 day of being in the portal, memphis beat writer for months have been saying memphis will target a major pg (hinting at kendric)..
kendric davis said his 1 goal is to play in the ncaa tournament, but is now on the verge of committing to a school on the brink of a postseason ban for his last year???
again you are treating this like ima cop and and you are trying to protect memphis.. "there's no hard evidence of this NIL deal so it obviously not happening, if it is its businessmen doing it for memphis without our knowledge" "where's the evidence that i that i know is impossible to provide, if you cant provide this unprovide-able evidence it means my school is innocent"
you arent naive or dumb... you know whats up..
Penny doesn’t make players better, I don’t think that’s really hard to see
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(04-18-2022 10:55 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:29 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Dang P, nobody is BRIBING anybody. Bribes are ILLEGAL. NIL is not illegal. Penny can't pay NIL. Neither can the school. Only businessmen can pay NIL. And it has to be reported to the IRS.
Btw, Memphis has signed a firm to discuss potential deals with players. All above board and NCAA approved.
All you are using are conspiracy theories and innuendo. Where's those million dollar FedEx deals you were so sure were promised to Bates and Duren?
And if you think no coaches are discussing NIL possibilities with recruits, well, we'll just have to strongly disagree.
And Memphis is the most blatant? Did you forget Nick Saban announcing his QB who hadn't played a game had close to $1M in deals before he threw a single pass? Or a myriad of other schools who have announced all kinds of NIL deals?
Yeah, but Memphis is the only school being "blatant" about NIL. Which is LEGAL, lol.
you are a super memphis fans so ill let you have your peace, and ignore common sense..
your entire counter is that there is no hard evidence to show the NIL deal.. there is no hard evidence to show anyone's NIL deal.. show me the irs documents for anyone's NIL deal? show me the details in general for any NIL?- this isnt public documentation
and blatant about NIL recruiting, not NIL money...Kentucky is blatant is showing their players are getting NIL deals ..they aren't going to top players on top teams telling them to transfer here and ill give you NIL ... they recruit saying their players get tons of NIL.not going to players are paying them to leave their schools.. Kentucky has zero transfers and not even making the finalist for most of the guys they've reached out too
kendric davis was in memphis 1 day of being in the portal, memphis beat writer for months have been saying memphis will target a major pg (hinting at kendric)..
kendric davis said his 1 goal is to play in the ncaa tournament, but is now on the verge of committing to a school on the brink of a postseason ban for his last year???
again you are treating this like ima cop and and you are trying to protect memphis.. "there's no hard evidence of this NIL deal so it obviously not happening, if it is its businessmen doing it for memphis without our knowledge" "where's the evidence that i that i know is impossible to provide, if you cant provide this unprovide-able evidence it means my school is innocent"
you arent naive or dumb... you know whats up..
What's up is NIL. It's not a bribe. It's legal.
I'm not saying we aren't doing NIL. I said the rumors about Duren and Bates getting a $1M each from FedEx never got announced, so once again, all you have are assiumptions.
And now you're making a big deal again b/c Davis visited us first, and you are assuming we are offering him an NIL deal. Hey P. It's legal.
Talking to players early isn't cool, but that's not illegal. It's a rule that is never enforced. Same with discussing potential NIL deals. If you think no other schools are doing that, you are the naive one, not me.
Hey P, about the Memphis super fan comment, everybody here is a die hard fan for their school, or they wouldn't be on a message board regularly. I jump in when peeps say things I think are blatantly wrong, but you act like I never say anything negative about Memphis.
I complained all season about Penny's sub patterns. They were insane. I think he played Malcolm way too much over Minott. And his son should be glued to the bench. Plus, Penny doesn't seem to listen to anybody but himself. I doubt Brown stays because of that.
And just yesterday or so, I said I wish Penny could learn how to coach the first 3 months of the season like he does the final 6 weeks.
I also said we were dumb to try to fight the NCAA in court about Wiseman, and then just drop it. And I think that is proving to be true. Most of the current NoA charges have to do with our perceived attitude, not typical rule breaking.
And if somebody deleted Miller's hard drive, that was freaking stupid. Seems suspicious based on what has been made public.
And before Penny, I disliked the whole time Tubby was here. Forever and I used to have long debates about the worth of Tubby.
And even though I was friends with Pastner, I thought he had to go. I also complained about his buyout.
But I'm sure you have said a lot of negative things about Houston as well, and like you and my posts, I must have simply missed them.
(04-18-2022 10:41 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
I’m not including people who never saw the court for us and transferred after that season.. why would I? Impossible to relate that to development. If anything that’s an evaluation/culture fit issue.
Lance Thomas went to south Alabama where he is averaging… 3 points a game.
Earl Timberlake had one season of which he was recovering from injury the entire time.
Isiah was a transfer during pennys first year. Someone we would never have taken except he had to fill the roster during that season.
If you want to talk about development you need to be talking about multi year guys who actually had a chance to show progress year to year. Or guys who left that blew up at the other schools implying it was a Penny issue. Every single player was the same or only very slightly better which would happen with another year of experience upon leaving to a new school except for Baugh. Baugh had a great season comparatively.
(04-19-2022 01:16 AM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:41 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
I’m not including people who never saw the court for us and transferred after that season.. why would I? Impossible to relate that to development. If anything that’s an evaluation/culture fit issue.
Lance Thomas went to south Alabama where he is averaging… 3 points a game.
Earl Timberlake had one season of which he was recovering from injury the entire time.
Isiah was a transfer during pennys first year. Someone we would never have taken except he had to fill the roster during that season.
If you want to talk about development you need to be talking about multi year guys who actually had a chance to show progress year to year. Or guys who left that blew up at the other schools implying it was a Penny issue. Every single player was the same or only very slightly better which would happen with another year of experience upon leaving to a new school except for Baugh. Baugh had a great season comparatively.
lance thomas and maurice were both multi year penny guys
and not blowing up in other school doesnt matter as what if the other school is also poor at development
but not blowing up at another school is meaningless.. that would be a debate of "is penny holding them back"..the topic is "penny is not making them better"
and again boogie got better.. he was the lead guard of an ncaa tourney team.. him playing injured in the ncaa tourney doesnt mean he didnt get better. your ENTIRE evaluation on boogie is 1 game, not the full season where he was extremely good.. boogie was USC's top guard on a ncaa tourney team. on a team with a higher seed than memphis
but we'll see what happens going forwardin regards to his developing skills
(04-19-2022 02:34 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2022 01:16 AM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:41 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
I’m not including people who never saw the court for us and transferred after that season.. why would I? Impossible to relate that to development. If anything that’s an evaluation/culture fit issue.
Lance Thomas went to south Alabama where he is averaging… 3 points a game.
Earl Timberlake had one season of which he was recovering from injury the entire time.
Isiah was a transfer during pennys first year. Someone we would never have taken except he had to fill the roster during that season.
If you want to talk about development you need to be talking about multi year guys who actually had a chance to show progress year to year. Or guys who left that blew up at the other schools implying it was a Penny issue. Every single player was the same or only very slightly better which would happen with another year of experience upon leaving to a new school except for Baugh. Baugh had a great season comparatively.
lance thomas and maurice were both multi year penny guys
and not blowing up in other school doesnt matter as what if the other school is also poor at development
but not blowing up at another school is meaningless.. that would be a debate of "is penny holding them back"..the topic is "penny is not making them better"
and again boogie got better.. he was the lead guard of an ncaa tourney team.. him playing injured in the ncaa tourney doesnt mean he didnt get better. your ENTIRE evaluation on boogie is 1 game, not the full season where he was extremely good.. boogie was USC's top guard on a ncaa tourney team. on a team with a higher seed than memphis
but we'll see what happens going forwardin regards to his developing skills
Boogie was always a good college player but him being a lead guard doesn’t tell me he improved. He went to a team with less depth at his position. His per 40 numbers are basically exactly the same. He would go 5/6 from three one game and 1/5 the next. Almost any school would be glad to have him but I didn’t see any unlocked potential by going to usc. Anyways it will be a few more years before I really have a firm stance on this. I think it’s just currently in the middle of the scales. Lance and Maurice would never play at Memphis if it wasn’t pennys first year and the roster needed to be filled. Neither were high major players. I mean with lance 3ppg average at south Alabama he may not even be a mid major player
This NIL argument is dumb. Too many people don't understand what NIL now.
NIL isn't illegal or against NCAA rules.. that's correct.
Offering a NIL in exchange for attending a particular school isn't illegal BUT it is against NCAA rules. The NIL has to be not contingent on any attendance/playing at a particular school. I.E. If Fedex Says hey Recruit X we want you to be in our advertisements over the next 2 years .. they would need to honor it even if Recruit X says they are transferring to Kentucky instead of Memphis.
Saying "well others are doing it" also don't make it not against the rules just means they are cheating too.
(04-19-2022 08:29 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]This NIL argument is dumb. Too many people don't understand what NIL now.
NIL isn't illegal or against NCAA rules.. that's correct.
Offering a NIL in exchange for attending a particular school isn't illegal BUT it is against NCAA rules. The NIL has to be not contingent on any attendance/playing at a particular school. I.E. If Fedex Says hey Recruit X we want you to be in our advertisements over the next 2 years .. they would need to honor it even if Recruit X says they are transferring to Kentucky instead of Memphis.
Saying "well others are doing it" also don't make it not against the rules just means they are cheating too.
So how does anybody know if Memphis or any other school is offering NIL as an inducement? You don't. Or that they aren't. You don't. It's all assumption.
Duren and Bates never announced any big FedEx deal. In fact, nobody did. You think FedEx is going to "cheat" when it has tax implications? That's absurd.
And if you think most coaches don't discuss NIL opportunities with recruits, well, that's absurd, too. If they don't, it's likely b/c they don't have any, lol. And in the case of NIL, the NCAA is likely not going to enforce any early contact or inducement b/c they fear being restrained more by the courts. So coaches are going to jump at that.
What I object to is singling out Memphis and vilifying them, and somehow implying nobody else does that.
Kendric Davis will be passing up on Houston (1 seed), Kansas (2 seed), Gonzaga (2 seed), TCU (5 seed), Texas (6 seed), Texas Tech (7 seed). To go to Memphis (not in Lunardi’s early field).
I’m sure it has nothing to do with money.
