(04-19-2022 01:41 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently a bunch of players disagree, but what do they know?
You dropped 1 player saying he learned what it will be like in te nba as his development. That is the development you are selling...
ands what do they know, what Gauge are they using to note how much development is compared to another school.. it not like they are comping themselves to other players growth..
and again this is te exact reason for "the super memphis fan" comments... you know what im saying is true, you just want to defend the honor..
name a memphis players that vastly developed at memphis under penny????
ie fabian white at houston - came in as a 6'7 center, with only post moves, didnt shoot a single 3 (at the high school line).. he is leaving UH as a 6'8 wing, who biggest selling point is 3pt shooting
I would, I can actually think of 4 off the top of my head, but you would just disagree, so why bother? I'm not getting in an endless debate with you on this.
Oh, and now you have thrown the phrase "vastly improved" in there. I don't recall that in the beginning.
Duren already said his development was great at Memphis. You said it wasn't. Of course, you know more than Duren about Duren, lol.
P.S. You're a super Houston fan.
Difference is, I criticize Memphis when I think they deserve it. You NEVER criticize Houston. But you have plenty of criticism for everybody else.
vastly improved in the context of they became better at something they were not good at.. this was my context from my very 1st post.. the WHOLE context of this convo is that i dont think caleb murphy should go to memphis.. he needs to go somewhere that can help him develop his shot..and in the very 1st post, "outside of getting comfortable with the college speed" they dont get better at memphis, everyone no matter the school/players gets better after the 1st year
i noted lomax is the only maybe notable improved player in my 1st post, (his last 8 games were vastly improved) but noted it took him 3.5 years to get there and he didnt improve any skillsets, he just did what he regularly does but at a way higher level...
dont be shy now, name the other 3.. im curious...
you can call me a super houston fan.. but you wont find me fighting obvious houston truths ..if anything i state why im okay with a take you are trying to propose as negative...
if penny was our coach id admit penny wasnt the best developer but note it wasnt a problem because penny brings in already good players...
prior to this year i openly said i didnt think Sampson was a top recruiter..he develops players... im not going to pretend we were dominating recruiting prior to this year for houstons honor
Name the other 3?
If I named the top 3 on this list, you would find something wrong with them.
P.S. I never said Penny was a great developer. Don't put words in my mouth. I was responding to you saying nobody developed at Memphis except maybe ALo a little. That's a lot different take there.
(04-19-2022 12:52 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard a "spicy conspiracy theory" that Memphis is talking to Brad Doherty, in case Penny gets a show cause, b/c Kendric Davis is eager to play for a brilliant basketball mind like Coach Doh.
Davis is going to Kansas. I guess you could call it Self Interest.
(04-19-2022 11:56 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]Legal...legal...legal.... That word keeps getting thrown around
NCAA Rules /= Laws
So yes it's legal as in no one is getting arrested. But it's not allowed via the NCAA rules (offering NIL in exchange for attending a particular university) and therefore is cheating. Let's just see if the NCAA does anything about it. They already mentioned they are going to have to revisit the way it's set up due to unintended consequences
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"Legal" is being thrown around b/c that's what it is.
And yes, the NCAA has to revise it's rule b/c it isn't working, but moreso b/c it isn't enforceable, and it would likely never hold up in a court of law, if it got challenged.
So until they do that, everybody does their own thing. Hell, different states have different laws about what you can and can't do. So it's a mess.
But to scream about cheating when even the NCAA doesn't know what to do, is laughable, considering all the real crap they close their eyes to.
If you think NIL isn't going to be an enticement to any player looking to sign or transfer, then you're just not being honest. Of course it is. That's why it will never be an enforceable rule.
Its only laughable because you are trying to defend your school cheating. By the rules it's cheating. Don't try to call it anything but that. Just makes you look dumb.
And thinking only a few schools do it makes you look dumb.
And getting all hot and bothered about somebody talking to somebody about NIL does the same.
Of course it's an incentive to attend a school. Any school. You have to be brain dead to think otherwise. No matter what the NCAA says.
"Can't use it as an incentive for recruits." That's what it IS, by its nature. The NCAA already fought that to the death in court, and lost.
That's why I keep saying that providing NIL is legal, lol. The rule is like saying "You can't talk to recruits about getting them to the next level, b/c that's an incentive to attend a certain school." Well duh. It is. So is NIL. But both are allowed.
And if one school gives you more opportunities to earn NIL, then of course it's an incentive. But you can't talk about it?
Dumbest rule ever, not enforceable b/c they know they would lose in court, the NCAA has already said they have to revise it, yet you are all up in the air about it.
And you never answered the question if you got this indignant about Baylor, Penn State or UNC?
Maybe if you read some you would see I DID answer your question
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You're right. I did miss it. Took me 5 minutes to find it in this flurry of words. I saw the one right below it, responded, then never went back and saw the other one.
(04-19-2022 12:52 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard a "spicy conspiracy theory" that Memphis is talking to Brad Doherty, in case Penny gets a show cause, b/c Kendric Davis is eager to play for a brilliant basketball mind like Coach Doh.
Davis is going to Kansas. I guess you could call it Self Interest.
Funny, but not as funny as mine.
Yours really doesn't work because his name is Brad Daugherty and Robo-Doh was Matt Doherty.
(04-19-2022 12:52 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard a "spicy conspiracy theory" that Memphis is talking to Brad Doherty, in case Penny gets a show cause, b/c Kendric Davis is eager to play for a brilliant basketball mind like Coach Doh.
Davis is going to Kansas. I guess you could call it Self Interest.
Funny, but not as funny as mine.
Yours really doesn't work because his name is Brad Daugherty and Robo-Doh was Matt Doherty.
True. Super Senior brain fart. I meant MATT Doherty. Work off the last name, lol.
(04-19-2022 11:39 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Back to the issue of Memphis not developing any players. These are Jalen Duren's comments to ESPN yesterday:
"I started to understand the game better. Help defenses. How opponents were guarding me. I noticed that more as the season went on and that allowed me to do a lot more."
"I've always been big on development," Duren said. "Playing up as a younger player helped me grow. I was at the point in high school where I wanted a bigger challenge, to continue to be pushed and compete against older guys. We won a lot and there was nothing more I could get out of there."
"The coaches at Memphis: Penny Hardaway, Larry Brown, Cody Toppert, Rasheed Wallace all helped me develop in a lot of different ways in terms of understanding the NBA terminology, and the atmosphere to expect in the league," he said. "That played a huge part in my decision. Everyone on the coaching staff coming from the NBA. That was my big goal in going to college, and seeing the amount of NBA knowledge on the staff was appealing and helped my development a lot. It ended up being a great move for me."
but listen to what he said, he didnt say he improved anything .. all his points were i understand the game better, i know what to expect in the NBA
not i improved as a shooter, i expanded my scoring capabilities with post moves, i got stronger here..the nba knowledge is probably unique to memphis but every freshmen's knowledge of the game expands during their 1st year
comparative when caleb mills left houston, he was asked if he regretted coming to houston, he said he cant say he regretted going to Houston because of how much they developed his game, he said that its hard to admit but he was probably soft before playing for houston, his defense and rebounding vastly improved the 1 year he was here
There was an in depth interview with achiuwa posted before his draft on the tigers board a long time ago. I can’t find it but it went extremely in depth about what the tigers coaches worked on him with and got him to change/understand to help his game mid season after the wiseman debacle. I wish I could find it but it’s almost all about developing him and showing specific play breakdowns
(04-19-2022 11:39 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Back to the issue of Memphis not developing any players. These are Jalen Duren's comments to ESPN yesterday:
"I started to understand the game better. Help defenses. How opponents were guarding me. I noticed that more as the season went on and that allowed me to do a lot more."
"I've always been big on development," Duren said. "Playing up as a younger player helped me grow. I was at the point in high school where I wanted a bigger challenge, to continue to be pushed and compete against older guys. We won a lot and there was nothing more I could get out of there."
"The coaches at Memphis: Penny Hardaway, Larry Brown, Cody Toppert, Rasheed Wallace all helped me develop in a lot of different ways in terms of understanding the NBA terminology, and the atmosphere to expect in the league," he said. "That played a huge part in my decision. Everyone on the coaching staff coming from the NBA. That was my big goal in going to college, and seeing the amount of NBA knowledge on the staff was appealing and helped my development a lot. It ended up being a great move for me."
but listen to what he said, he didnt say he improved anything .. all his points were i understand the game better, i know what to expect in the NBA
not i improved as a shooter, i expanded my scoring capabilities with post moves, i got stronger here..the nba knowledge is probably unique to memphis but every freshmen's knowledge of the game expands during their 1st year
comparative when caleb mills left houston, he was asked if he regretted coming to houston, he said he cant say he regretted going to Houston because of how much they developed his game, he said that its hard to admit but he was probably soft before playing for houston, his defense and rebounding vastly improved the 1 year he was here
There was an in depth interview with achiuwa posted before his draft on the tigers board a long time ago. I can’t find it but it went extremely in depth about what the tigers coaches worked on him with and got him to change/understand to help his game mid season after the wiseman debacle. I wish I could find it but it’s almost all about developing him and showing specific play breakdowns
(04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
that's precious
Should have capitalized the P...Maybe then they would have caught it.
(04-18-2022 10:02 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]20 guys is also a huge exaggeration. I just listed all the players and it wasn’t even near 20 if you even include the guys who transferred in and were already on third years.
you also didnt list everybody
lance thomas didnt get better
Isaiah Maurice didnt get better
earl timberlake didnt get better
Jordan Nesbitt and Ahmad Rand left as soon as they landed, and got nothing from memphis/penny
same for ONU/camden
that's over 20 as is.. there's not 1 player that has gone to memphis and can say came out a drastically better player because of it
you get good players and keep them the same kind of good
I’m not including people who never saw the court for us and transferred after that season.. why would I? Impossible to relate that to development. If anything that’s an evaluation/culture fit issue.
Lance Thomas went to south Alabama where he is averaging… 3 points a game.
Earl Timberlake had one season of which he was recovering from injury the entire time.
Isiah was a transfer during pennys first year. Someone we would never have taken except he had to fill the roster during that season.
If you want to talk about development you need to be talking about multi year guys who actually had a chance to show progress year to year. Or guys who left that blew up at the other schools implying it was a Penny issue. Every single player was the same or only very slightly better which would happen with another year of experience upon leaving to a new school except for Baugh. Baugh had a great season comparatively.
lance thomas and maurice were both multi year penny guys
and not blowing up in other school doesnt matter as what if the other school is also poor at development
but not blowing up at another school is meaningless.. that would be a debate of "is penny holding them back"..the topic is "penny is not making them better"
and again boogie got better.. he was the lead guard of an ncaa tourney team.. him playing injured in the ncaa tourney doesnt mean he didnt get better. your ENTIRE evaluation on boogie is 1 game, not the full season where he was extremely good.. boogie was USC's top guard on a ncaa tourney team. on a team with a higher seed than memphis
but we'll see what happens going forwardin regards to his developing skills
Penny has not shown any evidence of developing guys...I wonder what they do during the offseason.
But saying Boggie improved at USC is just not factual...
Shooting...Same
Steals Memphis ... Assists USC...
Only thing that greatly improved was FT%
Ooooo...USC was a tourney team
Deandre plays every game in `21...Guess what Memphis is a tourney team last year as well.
(04-19-2022 08:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Penny has not shown any evidence of developing guys...
But saying Boggie improved at USC is just not factual...
Shooting...Same
Steals Memphis ... Assists USC...
Only thing that greatly improved was FT%
Ooooo...USC was a tourney team
Deandre plays every game in `21...Guess what Memphis is a tourney team last year as well.
i wish espn stored old NBA big boards, they recently updated their top 100 nba prospects which dropped him, before their last update boogies was #88 but falling out at the end
boogie was seen as a top 100 draft prospect for most of the season from his injury ...he played on a bunch ankle the last 4 games.. one of which he still scored 27 points on an elite defense
his shooting numbers stayed the same despite being a random rotation guy (memphis) to being the main focus of the defense (usc)
also are you just using counting stats.. half of boogies tout is defense.. the steals dropped because usc doesnt full court press like memphis (which causes turnover)
honest question memphis fans did you guys actually watch a single usc game this year???? (not counting the tournament)
how can you say he didnt get better? let me give hypothetical-- lets pretend boogie never went to memphis and last year was his 2nd year in college at USC_ (important because double transfers have a stigma)
-- when he left memphis he was seen as a flop
-- in our hypothetical if boogie left USC after this season he would be seen as a top as a top 10 transfer
USC is a projected tournemy team next year by cbs and espn (as a 7 seed).. boogie is the only returning starter... there is that much faith in him.. but he didnt improve?
(04-19-2022 08:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Penny has not shown any evidence of developing guys...
But saying Boggie improved at USC is just not factual...
Shooting...Same
Steals Memphis ... Assists USC...
Only thing that greatly improved was FT%
Ooooo...USC was a tourney team
Deandre plays every game in `21...Guess what Memphis is a tourney team last year as well.
i wish espn stored old NBA big boards, they recently updated their top 100 nba prospects which dropped him, before their last update boogies was #88 but falling out at the end
boogie was seen as a top 100 draft prospect for most of the season from his injury ...he played on a bunch ankle the last 4 games.. one of which he still scored 27 points on an elite defense
his shooting numbers styaed the same despite being a random ortaton big to being the main focus of the defense
also are you just using counting stats.. half of boogies tout is defense.. the steals dropped becuase usc doesnt full court press like memphis (which causes turnover)
honest question memphis fans did you guys actually watch a single usc game this year???? (not counting the tournament)
how can you say he didnt get better? let me give hypothetical-- lets pretend boogie never went to memphis and last year was his 2nd year in college at USC_ (important becuase double transfers have a stigma)
-
-- when he left memphis he was seen as a flop
-- in our hypothetical if boogie left USC after this season he would be seen as a top as a top 10 transfer
in what world did he get better
Boogie was never seen as a flop??? Wtf. He was only seen as not reaching his “nba billing”. He isn’t reaching that at usc either. Good to great college player and that’s just what he is. If you wanna talk about a flop look at moussa cisse.
(04-19-2022 08:41 PM)Fluke Wrote: [ -> ]Boogie was never seen as a flop??? Wtf. He was only seen as not reaching his “nba billing”. He isn’t reaching that at usc either. Good to great college player and that’s just what he is. If you wanna talk about a flop look at moussa cisse.
this article was before his recent top 100 big board updated, so it might have changed, but before boogie sprained his ankle he saw him as a top 2023 draft choice.. i dont get the "he wont reach his nba billing" comment.. its not guaranteed but its very likely with a good season at USC, which is expected
he literally left and immediately became a draft prospect.. he wasnt that at memphis
the guy in this video is actually the person who thinks boogie is a draft pick/ espns top draft guy
and im 20 minutes in (stopping there) and nothing about improving skills, if you have a specific time stamp for anything further let me know.. , he was just talking improving mindset and how to approach the game, and that is what the coaches taught him (attacking mismatches)..how to be a smarter basketball player, basically the same thing duren said (but more focused on defense)... this convo was about developing skills
no coach is just sitting there in practice, every freshmen learns things and picks up the college speed .. im not denying he told them how to better play the game.. especially with larry there... im more taking "i became better at *this* becuase i came to memphis"..
the 2 counters ive gotten to that are.. penny told me how to better use the talents i already had
Moving away from the usual Memphis hornets nest, UCF hosted Brandon Suggs (10 PPG, ECU) and Michael Durr (7 footer from Indiana, previously at usf) on visits. Suggs down to UCF and usf, not sure about Durr. But I wouldn’t be surprised if both of them commit.
(04-19-2022 08:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Penny has not shown any evidence of developing guys...
But saying Boggie improved at USC is just not factual...
Shooting...Same
Steals Memphis ... Assists USC...
Only thing that greatly improved was FT%
Ooooo...USC was a tourney team
Deandre plays every game in `21...Guess what Memphis is a tourney team last year as well.
i wish espn stored old NBA big boards, they recently updated their top 100 nba prospects which dropped him, before their last update boogies was #88 but falling out at the end
boogie was seen as a top 100 draft prospect for most of the season from his injury ...he played on a bunch ankle the last 4 games.. one of which he still scored 27 points on an elite defense
his shooting numbers styaed the same despite being a random ortaton big to being the main focus of the defense
also are you just using counting stats.. half of boogies tout is defense.. the steals dropped becuase usc doesnt full court press like memphis (which causes turnover)
honest question memphis fans did you guys actually watch a single usc game this year???? (not counting the tournament)
how can you say he didnt get better? let me give hypothetical-- lets pretend boogie never went to memphis and last year was his 2nd year in college at USC_ (important becuase double transfers have a stigma)
-
-- when he left memphis he was seen as a flop
-- in our hypothetical if boogie left USC after this season he would be seen as a top as a top 10 transfer
in what world did he get better
His usage rate went up at USC. What was his usage rate at Memphis? He averaged more minutes per game 6.4 at USC.
5 more games played at USC 33 over the season versus 28 at Memphis
How much did his scoring improve with 6.4 extra minutes per game? 2.3 (12.5 versus 10.2)
His field gold % improved 1.6, with 6 extra minutes his 3 point shooting % dropped 1%.
His free-throw shooting was a clear improvement over his last two seasons to 79.8%
His assist rate slightly improved 2.4 vs 1.5 with more minutes and more games! (his shots dont fall and he begins hunting for them, assist should be waaaay better)
His turnover average increased to 1.8 his highest of his last 3 seasons
His point average for the year is 12.5 vs last season at Memphis 10.2
Only a person with a built in biased opinion would argue that Boogie had an overall improvement in his game play at USC. I happen to have watched all of the USC games and I observed the SAME Boogie Ellis that played at Memphis, erratic streaky scoring. If he cant get the ball to fall he gets in his own head, he then hunts for his own shot. Same player same problems more opportunity different coach, same issues. The guy got benched in the biggest game of this last season.
People can say it was due to an injurie or whatever they want to say. Most of the players on all of the damn teams were nursing injuries of every sort. Did you see Bacot's effort? The coaching was so much better at USC that Boogies free-throw shooting improved significantly. But that USC coach ended up doing the same thing to Boogie Ellis that the coach in Memphis did, he benched Boogie in a big time game.
I watched the first game of the season where Bill Walton's bias was so blatantly obvious, he began talking Boogie up like he was an elite guard that Memphis had no idea how to utilize(that game is online by the way). By the end of the season old Bill had thrown that flawed dialog out the window, hilarious!
CPH, is never going to get ANY respect until he proves he can run a program at least and that's the way it should be. To be clear I am saying that those numbers extrapolate to the same type of play (and numbers) last year at Memphis with the exception of his free-throw shooting. Adjustment in time on the court at Memphis and he easily duplicates his numbers at USC. Its so obvious that's its obviously not possible right?
(04-19-2022 09:49 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote: [ -> ]Only a person with a built in biased opinion would argue that Boogie had an overall improvement in his game play at USC. I happen to have watched all of the USC games and I observed the SAME Boogie Ellis that played at Memphis, erratic streaky scoring. If he cant get the ball to fall he gets in his own head, he then hunts for his own shot. Same player same problems more opportunity different coach, same issues. The guy got benched in the biggest game of this last season.
People can say it was due to an injurie or whatever they want to say. Most of the players on all of the damn teams were nursing injuries of every sort. Did you see Bacot's effort? The coaching was so much better at USC that Boogies free-throw shooting improved significantly. But that USC coach ended up doing the same thing to Boogie Ellis that the coach in Memphis did, he benched Boogie in a big time game.
I watched the first game of the season where Bill Walton's bias was so blatantly obvious, he began talking Boogie up like he was an elite guard that Memphis had no idea how to utilize(that game is online by the way). By the end of the season old Bill had thrown that flawed dialog out the window, hilarious!
CPH, is never going to get ANY respect until he proves he can run a program at least and that's the way it should be. To be clear I am saying that those numbers extrapolate to the same type of play (and numbers) last year at Memphis with the exception of his free-throw shooting. Adjustment in time on the court at Memphis and he easily duplicates his numbers at USC. Its so obvious that's its obviously not possible right?
espns draft analyst has a bias against memphis????
it is your own bias (for memphis) that its the way
the entire rebuttal i have heard is that he played 14minutes in 1 game that he was injured, and the backup was shooting at 85% fg%...that shows the coach didnt trust him? (this is the argument of someone WITH BIAS). ignoring he averaged over 34 minutes from the games RIGHT before that and 25 for the season
here article from the laTIMES saying boogie is special player but needs help for anyone at USC, he cant do it alone.. the game RIGHT before the ncaa tournament https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...tournament
he was the lead guard on USC.. meaning he played in a power league and saw opposing teams best defenders.. he was just a rotation guard on memphis...comping shooing percentages is nuts
let me be clear im NOT saying boogie became the perfect player, and he still does have some streakiness to his game.. but its nuts to say he didnt improve
this reminds me of the sasser takes by this offbase houston fan last year... saying "sasser became a worse shooter as sophomore year" in the tournament (before the last2 games of his sophomore year he was shooting 30% from 3) and did 35% as a freshmen.. literally anyone with any context would note sasser was exclusively catch and shoot as a freshmen... and was heavy off the dribble shooting as a sophomore on tougher defenders ..sasser drastically improved as a shooter, the level of difficulties on his shots just got way higher
similar to boogie.. boogie was mostly catch and shoot at memphis and some off the dribble stuff but wasnt seen as a great off the dribble threat.. there were heavy calls by memphis fans to find an off the dribble scorer becuase there were any at memphis..literally what he is doing at USC!!!!!
again boogie was the top guard on a 7 seed USC team, when he was just a rotation guard on a NIT memphis..
USC is projected tourney team next year despite boogie being the only player of note currently expected to return
(04-19-2022 09:49 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote: [ -> ]Only a person with a built in biased opinion would argue that Boogie had an overall improvement in his game play at USC. I happen to have watched all of the USC games and I observed the SAME Boogie Ellis that played at Memphis, erratic streaky scoring. If he cant get the ball to fall he gets in his own head, he then hunts for his own shot. Same player same problems more opportunity different coach, same issues. The guy got benched in the biggest game of this last season.
People can say it was due to an injurie or whatever they want to say. Most of the players on all of the damn teams were nursing injuries of every sort. Did you see Bacot's effort? The coaching was so much better at USC that Boogies free-throw shooting improved significantly. But that USC coach ended up doing the same thing to Boogie Ellis that the coach in Memphis did, he benched Boogie in a big time game.
I watched the first game of the season where Bill Walton's bias was so blatantly obvious, he began talking Boogie up like he was an elite guard that Memphis had no idea how to utilize(that game is online by the way). By the end of the season old Bill had thrown that flawed dialog out the window, hilarious!
CPH, is never going to get ANY respect until he proves he can run a program at least and that's the way it should be. To be clear I am saying that those numbers extrapolate to the same type of play (and numbers) last year at Memphis with the exception of his free-throw shooting. Adjustment in time on the court at Memphis and he easily duplicates his numbers at USC. Its so obvious that's its obviously not possible right?
espns draft analyst has a bias against memphis????
it is your own bias (for memphis) that its the way
the entire rebuttal i have heard is that he played 14minutes in 1 game that he was injured, and the backup was shooting at 85% fg%...that shows the coach didnt trust him? (this is the argument of someone WITH BIAS). ignoring he averaged over 34 minutes from the games RIGHT before that and 25 for the season
here article from the laTIMES saying boogie is special player but needs help for anyone at USC, he cant do it alone.. the game RIGHT before the ncaa tournament https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...tournament
he was the lead guard on USC.. meaning he played in a power league and saw opposing teams best defenders.. he was just a rotation guard on memphis...comping shooing percentages is nuts
let me be clear im NOT saying boogie became the perfect player, and he still does have some streakiness to his game.. but its nuts to say he didnt improve
this reminds me of the sasser takes by this offbase houston fan last year... saying "sasser became a worse shooter as sophomore year" in the tournament (before the last2 games of his sophomore year he was shooting 30% from 3) and did 35% as a freshmen.. literally anyone with any context would note sasser was exclusively catch and shoot as a freshmen... and was heavy off the dribble shooting as a sophomore on tougher defenders ..sasser drastically improved as a shooter, the level of difficulties on his shots just got way higher
similar to boogie.. boogie was mostly catch and shoot at memphis and some off the dribble stuff but wasnt seen as a great off the dribble threat.. there were heavy calls by memphis fans to find an off the dribble scorer becuase there were any at memphis..literally what he is doing at USC!!!!!
again boogie was the top guard on a 7 seed USC team, when he was just a rotation guard on a NIT memphis..
USC is projected tourney team next year despite boogie being the only player of note currently expected to return
Did you actually watch the game that he was supposedly injured? I dont know if he was or if he wasn't. I know he played the same way he did all season, on fire for some games and then outright disappeared. Please show where I said that ESPN was biased? Go back and read, its fundamental to your understanding. To be clear "YOU" are the one with biased eyes the numbers tell the truth!
Never trust what you see, only what an article says, if I am to listen to you. Of course unless you can confirm it. You cant even provide the numbers to prove that the PAC has better defenders overall. The only thing you can say is that power conferences have better players therefore they have better defenders. Wow, so how do lowly rated teams defeat higher rated teams from better conferences. Outside of actual data, you have to say the blue blood team just didn't play better. Because then it would be a unbiased confirmation right? You are the only person that is a self certified expert on everyone's teams and everyone's players.
Everyone else' opinion is biased towards their team because you say so. You are the only one who is not biased. Your true problem is that you can never allow yourself to be wrong.
So when you make statements of comparison like "NIT Memphis" that's not a dig at Memphis right? That's just a statement of fact to prove a comparison how exactly? That's not you trying to denigrate Memphis while arguing that Boogie is a far better player and Memphis just misused him? No one has posted any data anywhere that supports your statement. NO WHERE! NO DATA ANYWHERE! Talking heads talk. Post an article and I guarantee it will be devoid of data that refutes the numbers above!
Your argument ands post of a coach stating that Boogie is much improved sense getting to USC. That coach is not being biased right? Oh and a news article stating the same is what? Why wouldn't that guy say that Boogie has gotten better sense getting to USC? Be honest, no coach would say that about his starting guard would he? The numbers still tell a truth and that is the guy is essentially the same outside of free-throw shooting as when he was at Memphis. "Most" coaches wouldn't throw their player under the bus like that.
Here is a video of Boogie Ellis torching some scrubs from Houston for 27, yup, this was NIT Memphis. They obviously weren't talented enough to defend Boogie. Pay special attention to the numbers and how similar they are to what he did at USC this season. Go read the stat line. He wouldn't be able to do this against better players/defenders in the PAC right?
And oh, that game winning shot you posted above against Wash St proves exactly what? He scored 21 against them, is Wash St. better than Houston? Is that the improvement you speak of?
When you argue your points, you like to use what "fans at Memphis said". Take special note that I have only posted what actually happened unlike YOU! Oh, here is that much improved Boogie Ellis somehow torching a scrub Houston team for 27 points! Yup, this is the not improved version of Boogie Ellis. This means about as much as that video you posted above. Pure nonsense! Oh, he has just as many games at USC where he didn't even show up. Maybe he was injured in those games too. He must have been injured in Memphis too. But I am sure that's just the level of talent in the PAC that completely shut him down like the scrubs in the AAC did..... or injuries... you can explain anything away except those numbers.
Here is an actual scouting report that says everything I said about Boogie Ellis and if I was biased my opinion would not jive with this report. Literally everything I said about him played out on the court this year at USC, tell me again how biased I am about Boogie Ellis. We all know on this board you can never be wrong, cause when you are wrong you will try to shift the narrative so that you can not be wrong. There really is nothing more for me to say on this.
