It’s currently 3 assuming the LB from Liberty makes it to campus after he graduates in late May. He doesn’t count until he fills out scholarship paperwork and he can’t do that until he graduates. If not for any reason or if one side changes their minds, it’s 4.
Right now it’s the signed recruits plus Millin from Kent State who is already here from what I’ve heard.
(01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 12:03 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just so confused over how many spots are actually left. 2 or 3?
They still need to address OL in the big way IMO and it seems like they are fading now with Lewis and have stopped recruiting Sampson, so maybe they take another OL transfer if he's healthy enough.
Then you have the OLB from Florida committed to Syracuse and now apparently McDuffie and Leonard Taylor. The 247 article on him today speculates Taylor is pretty much down to UL and UC with UL leading.
I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
(01-11-2018 01:55 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s currently 3 assuming the LB from Liberty makes it to campus after he graduates in late May. He doesn’t count until he fills out scholarship paperwork and he can’t do that until he graduates. If not for any reason or if one side changes their minds, it’s 4.
Right now it’s the signed recruits plus Millin from Kent State who is already here from what I’ve heard.
I've heard that the PSU transfer from last summer, T.J. Johnson, also counts toward the 2018 class. I hope that's false information.
The new rules only took effect for scholarship paperwork completed after August 1, 2017. It was reported he came in in August but we’d have to see the dates on everything.
Also, I think the misnomer is that the “25 rule” per year limit for new scholarship paperwork closed all loopholes. I don’t think that’s the case anymore. There has been a lot of moving and shaking going on all over the country and coaches find any possible loophole. Compliance offices are busy places this time of year.
I predict we can somehow get to 25 guys plus Johnson when it’s all said and done.
(01-11-2018 02:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 12:03 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just so confused over how many spots are actually left. 2 or 3?
They still need to address OL in the big way IMO and it seems like they are fading now with Lewis and have stopped recruiting Sampson, so maybe they take another OL transfer if he's healthy enough.
Then you have the OLB from Florida committed to Syracuse and now apparently McDuffie and Leonard Taylor. The 247 article on him today speculates Taylor is pretty much down to UL and UC with UL leading.
I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
He's supposedly considering taking an OV to UC in the next few weeks from a 247 article posted today. Sounds like Louisville is out front though. I think he wants to play TE in college, most schools prefer him at DE and some even like him as an OT but he's not really open to either. I do agree he and Whyle are two completely different types of TE prospects.
If it's down to 3 spots I want an OL, OLB and would love a quality grad transfer at QB. With that said it's tough to turn down a McDuffie, Thomas or Taylor if they want to come on board.
(01-11-2018 02:36 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 12:03 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just so confused over how many spots are actually left. 2 or 3?
They still need to address OL in the big way IMO and it seems like they are fading now with Lewis and have stopped recruiting Sampson, so maybe they take another OL transfer if he's healthy enough.
Then you have the OLB from Florida committed to Syracuse and now apparently McDuffie and Leonard Taylor. The 247 article on him today speculates Taylor is pretty much down to UL and UC with UL leading.
I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
He's supposedly considering taking an OV to UC in the next few weeks from a 247 article posted today. Sounds like Louisville is out front though. I think he wants to play TE in college, most schools prefer him at DE and some even like him as an OT but he's not really open to either. I do agree he and Whyle are two completely different types of TE prospects.
If it's down to 3 spots I want an OL, OLB and would love a quality grad transfer at QB. With that said it's tough to turn down a McDuffie, Thomas or Taylor if they want to come on board.
I'm of that mindset too...with how talent poor our roster is right now, I am fine with them just bringing in the most talented athletes they can this cycle and working to full gaps in the positions with the upcoming classes. In all actuality, we do have a ton of youth in the LB corps, so there may not be as big of a need as we do believe after this year...OL is another story, as evidenced by their run at people like Lewis and Thompson.
(01-11-2018 02:40 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:36 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 12:03 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just so confused over how many spots are actually left. 2 or 3?
They still need to address OL in the big way IMO and it seems like they are fading now with Lewis and have stopped recruiting Sampson, so maybe they take another OL transfer if he's healthy enough.
Then you have the OLB from Florida committed to Syracuse and now apparently McDuffie and Leonard Taylor. The 247 article on him today speculates Taylor is pretty much down to UL and UC with UL leading.
I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
He's supposedly considering taking an OV to UC in the next few weeks from a 247 article posted today. Sounds like Louisville is out front though. I think he wants to play TE in college, most schools prefer him at DE and some even like him as an OT but he's not really open to either. I do agree he and Whyle are two completely different types of TE prospects.
If it's down to 3 spots I want an OL, OLB and would love a quality grad transfer at QB. With that said it's tough to turn down a McDuffie, Thomas or Taylor if they want to come on board.
I'm of that mindset too...with how talent poor our roster is right now, I am fine with them just bringing in the most talented athletes they can this cycle and working to full gaps in the positions with the upcoming classes. In all actuality, we do have a ton of youth in the LB corps, so there may not be as big of a need as we do believe after this year...OL is another story, as evidenced by their run at people like Lewis and Thompson.
Agreed. At this point I think you take the best player available as well with the exception of making sure you still take 1 OL. Like I've been saying for what seems like 2-3 years now, that is the one unit where we just look awful on paper and are still way behind at IMO.
(01-11-2018 02:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The new rules only took effect for scholarship paperwork completed after August 1, 2017. It was reported he came in in August but we’d have to see the dates on everything.
Also, I think the misnomer is that the “25 rule” per year limit for new scholarship paperwork closed all loopholes. I don’t think that’s the case anymore. There has been a lot of moving and shaking going on all over the country and coaches find any possible loophole. Compliance offices are busy places this time of year.
I predict we can somehow get to 25 guys plus Johnson when it’s all said and done.
I sure hope so. Another OL from high school, plus a grad transfer OL, would make me much more comfortable. Hopefully we have a spot and can get Kevin Feder from OSU.
(01-11-2018 02:53 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:40 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:36 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
He's supposedly considering taking an OV to UC in the next few weeks from a 247 article posted today. Sounds like Louisville is out front though. I think he wants to play TE in college, most schools prefer him at DE and some even like him as an OT but he's not really open to either. I do agree he and Whyle are two completely different types of TE prospects.
If it's down to 3 spots I want an OL, OLB and would love a quality grad transfer at QB. With that said it's tough to turn down a McDuffie, Thomas or Taylor if they want to come on board.
I'm of that mindset too...with how talent poor our roster is right now, I am fine with them just bringing in the most talented athletes they can this cycle and working to full gaps in the positions with the upcoming classes. In all actuality, we do have a ton of youth in the LB corps, so there may not be as big of a need as we do believe after this year...OL is another story, as evidenced by their run at people like Lewis and Thompson.
Agreed. At this point I think you take the best player available as well with the exception of making sure you still take 1 OL. Like I've been saying for what seems like 2-3 years now, that is the one unit where we just look awful on paper and are still way behind at IMO.
I don't think we're recruiting Thompson anymore.
(01-11-2018 02:36 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 02:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 01:53 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2018 12:03 PM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just so confused over how many spots are actually left. 2 or 3?
They still need to address OL in the big way IMO and it seems like they are fading now with Lewis and have stopped recruiting Sampson, so maybe they take another OL transfer if he's healthy enough.
Then you have the OLB from Florida committed to Syracuse and now apparently McDuffie and Leonard Taylor. The 247 article on him today speculates Taylor is pretty much down to UL and UC with UL leading.
I think it's 3. Also don't forget Tavion Thomas.
Wait...when did Leonard Taylor pop back on the radar? That kid is an very interesting case...heavily recruited but I think a little academic/discipline and a little positional discomfort (played QB and not sure he's open to the TE transition). If we bring him in one would have to think that would be the final move in forcing O'Quinn into the OLine, where I think his destiny lies anyways. Taylor seems to be an in-line TE and wouldn't really take any snaps away from Whyle who looks more like a split end/hybrid like Ingram was for Ole Miss.
He's supposedly considering taking an OV to UC in the next few weeks from a 247 article posted today. Sounds like Louisville is out front though. I think he wants to play TE in college, most schools prefer him at DE and some even like him as an OT but he's not really open to either. I do agree he and Whyle are two completely different types of TE prospects.
If it's down to 3 spots I want an OL, OLB and would love a quality grad transfer at QB. With that said it's tough to turn down a McDuffie, Thomas or Taylor if they want to come on board.
per usual, you nailed it Marcus
Reading tea leaves here, it looks like McDuffie is holding out for a UK offer. It also appears that Uk is circling the wagons around Oats. I wonder if a Uk miss on Oats and they offer McDuffie. I have no idea about academics and any other intangible.
Maybe we ought to check this kid out for a grad transfer QB...
Quote:Can QB Alex Thomson go from tiny Wagner to the NFL? Phil Simms thinks so
Pete Thamel
As a high school senior in New Jersey, Alex Thomson was such a lightly regarded quarterback prospect that his only local recognition came as third-team All-Shore punter by his local newspaper, the Asbury Park Press. He took two college visits, as the market for a Wing T quarterback isn’t vast, and ultimately walked on at Wagner after receiving an academic scholarship.
Four years later, Thomson has emerged as the most intriguing graduate transfer quarterback in college football. He grew into a 6-foot-5, 225-pound frame and is regarded in high-end quarterbacking circles as an NFL prospect.
Thomson will graduate from Wagner, an FCS school on Staten Island, this spring and expects to have two years of college eligibility remaining. He’ll be immediately eligible for the 2018 season. He received his release from Wagner last week, and schools with initial interest in him include Tennessee, FIU, Iowa State and Oregon State.
Thomson, 21, has two high-profile advocates who’ll vouch for his talent.
Thomson began working out with former NFL star Phil Simms in the offseason last year, and Simms told Yahoo Sports on Tuesday that Thomson has all the tools necessary for a smooth transition up from the FCS level.
“He can play at any level,” Simms said. “There’s no question. If things fall right [with his college situation], I definitely think he’s a pro prospect. I don’t even have to hesitate to say that.”
Thomson is a pro-style quarterback with an arm that Simms calls “powerful.” He broke out in 2016 with 16 touchdowns, 2,436 yards and just five interceptions. He only played in the first two games of this season because of a shoulder injury. His former offensive coordinator at Wagner, Rich Scangarello, is the current quarterbacks coach for the San Francisco 49ers. He’s just as resolute in his view of Thomson’s talent and future.
“I think he’s an NFL quarterback,” Scangarello said. “I have no doubt about it. He’s athletic, smart and tough, and he’s just scratching the surface as a player. He’s as good as the back-up quarterbacks in the NFL right now. I really believe that. He’s legit.”
Word has begun to trickle through college circles about Thomson’s potential. He said that he’s spoken to Tennessee offensive coordinator Tyson Helton and the Vols have offered a blueshirt. (Essentially, that means he can’t go on paid official visits and is awarded a scholarship on the first day of camp, which counts toward the following year’s recruiting class.)
Thomson hasn’t set a timeline for the school decision, but is eager to go through a recruiting process that eluded him while at Keyport (N.J.) High School and is taking an official visit to FIU in two weeks. Other schools have reached out for film or inquired about him through third parties.
“It’s really weird,” he said. “I’m taking an official visit. I think it’s the coolest thing. My only recruiting trips in high school were to East Stroudsburg and Wagner.”
He ultimately chose Wagner because of location, as he planned to major in finance and wanted to be closer to New York City. Thomson said he has a 3.55 GPA and will graduate in this spring. Thomson expects two years of eligibility because he missed his freshman season with a PCL injury and was told by Wagner officials he had a high chance of receiving a waiver for a sixth year.
Thomson earned a football scholarship his redshirt sophomore year. (He walked-on as a quarterback, but was asked if he could play tight end if that didn’t work out.) He thrived at Wagner under Scangarello, who shifted the offense from a spread-based veer to a pro-style system. What makes Thomson unique is that he’s a drop-back quarterback with the athleticism to run.
“He’s a very quick processor, he’s accurate and has big-time arm talent,” Scangarello said. “He runs in the 4.7s and he’s as tough as they come. He just stands in there and doesn’t flinch. He’s not afraid of the moment.”
Thomson plans on working out with Simms again this spring, and Simms expects another jump in his performance. He plans to hone in on footwork and build on what he taught him last year. “He’s a thrower right now,” Simms said. “He will be a thrower and a passer by June, or whenever he has to go to school.”
With word just starting to filter out about Thomson, both Simms and Scangarello are bullish on his prospects leaping up a level.
“If I was the offensive coordinator at Alabama, I’d want him to be my quarterback,” Scangarello said. “I’d take him anywhere. I’m going to draft the guy someday. He’s legit. He can play anywhere.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/can-qb-alex-tho...50386.html
(01-16-2018 03:12 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we ought to check this kid out for a grad transfer QB...
Sounds good to me. I'm not as down on Hayden as many here, but if we can upgrade with this kid or the OSU or the PSU kid, I'm all for competition.
Also Moeller grad Elijah Taylor, a DT, announced he's transferring from Notre Dame. He was very highly rated out of HS, but has had some injury issues at ND. I saw a post saying he'd have to sit out a year and then have only one season to play eligibility-wise but I don't know if that is accurate.
(11-22-2017 11:46 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Also this from Bearcatreport.com twitter: Huge OV for Fickell and company this weekend from 4-star WR Dominick Watt from Florida. rivals.com/content/prospe…
I know we were in his top 6, but he committed to Nebraska yesterday. I don't think he'd had been a take considering some of the other guys we have ranked ahead of him, and the other WR's we already have in this class.
(01-19-2018 08:04 AM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2017 11:46 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Also this from Bearcatreport.com twitter: Huge OV for Fickell and company this weekend from 4-star WR Dominick Watt from Florida. rivals.com/content/prospe…
I know we were in his top 6, but he committed to Nebraska yesterday. I don't think he'd had been a take considering some of the other guys we have ranked ahead of him, and the other WR's we already have in this class.
I do not know how I feel on missing on Watt. Loading up on receivers worked for Butch and by extension Tuberville, but the other areas are of great need.
We never really had a legit shot with Watt. I think they would have taken him for sure. I feel like the 3 areas on our roster where we are/were way behind were at QB, OL and WR. Our WR recruiting under Tubberville was actually pretty awful, he signed a lot of guys but hardly any were good and it showed this past season. Getting Harris and Whyle in this class will be huge for our receiving corp. Will be interesting to see where Rogers ends up playing and what kind of players Pierce and Jackson are.
(01-19-2018 09:51 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]We never really had a legit shot with Watt. I think they would have taken him for sure. I feel like the 3 areas on our roster where we are/were way behind were at QB, OL and WR. Our WR recruiting under Tubberville was actually pretty awful, he signed a lot of guys but hardly any were good and it showed this past season. Getting Harris and Whyle in this class will be huge for our receiving corp. Will be interesting to see where Rogers ends up playing and what kind of players Pierce and Jackson are.
The receivers I was getting at were signed by Jones but played under Tubs. The guys signed by Tubs are the ones playing now. I think we all would agree that they need a little boost.
Do they pull the trick with McDuffiie and Myjai that the first to sign gets the last scholarship since they are the same position.
(01-19-2018 08:28 AM)rosewater Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2018 08:04 AM)ThinkBigPine Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2017 11:46 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Also this from Bearcatreport.com twitter: Huge OV for Fickell and company this weekend from 4-star WR Dominick Watt from Florida. rivals.com/content/prospe…
I know we were in his top 6, but he committed to Nebraska yesterday. I don't think he'd had been a take considering some of the other guys we have ranked ahead of him, and the other WR's we already have in this class.
I do not know how I feel on missing on Watt. Loading up on receivers worked for Butch and by extension Tuberville, but the other areas are of great need.
I don't think we missed on Watt. We were in on several WRs down the stretch, but our #1 WR for the entire cycle - Mr. Harris - was unbeknownst to us all on the table. Mr. Watt wasn't even a big target for us until Mr. Harris committed to UK.
I think both can/ will be contributors at their respective schools, however it seems we just wanted 1 more than the other...not to mention we had the more substantive relationship with 1. When, Mr. Watt got the Neb offer he immediately started showing them love, whereas Mr. Harris was tight with us even after he committed to UK.
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(01-19-2018 09:51 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]We never really had a legit shot with Watt. I think they would have taken him for sure. I feel like the 3 areas on our roster where we are/were way behind were at QB, OL and WR. Our WR recruiting under Tubberville was actually pretty awful, he signed a lot of guys but hardly any were good and it showed this past season. Getting Harris and Whyle in this class will be huge for our receiving corp. Will be interesting to see where Rogers ends up playing and what kind of players Pierce and Jackson are.
It seemed like there was legit interest both ways. I feel like once he got that Neb offer he started to fall off. Once Harris committed we seemed to have dropped interest in any WRs who were previously on our radar. We were done.
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