(01-03-2018 11:48 AM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ]As attractive as it would be to take, Thomas, I just don't know if we could justify it at this point. We desperately need OLB help, so unless we're going to be converting someone, using a scholly on yet another RB would be problematic. That would make 3 RB commits in the same cycle.
mc
It may be that they're trying to minimize the need for multiple position group focus this coming class. If we have 4-5 RBs set for the next 3-5 years, they don't need to worry about that group and can focus on others rather than needing to pick up an RB in each class. That's been an OSU policy which has worked for them.
Plus, I think our LBs are set (at least at the ones) with Young, White, Bolden, and Potts (along with Van Fossen coming in) and we've got them all for at least two more seasons, so next year would be a heavy OLB focus. They missed on a few of their targets this year and I'm alright with then acquiring high end talent rather than reaching just to fill a need.
(01-03-2018 12:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 11:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup. No room at the inn. Not sure why they would still be looking at RB since it seems to be one of the few strong position groups on the roster. Seems odd.
My only thought is that maybe they're looking to move McClelland around (remember, Auburn wanted him at DB) and would likely be redshirting Montgomery due to his injury. Then we're down to three...and honest, Thomas is much better than Montgomery and McClelland at the moment.
Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
(01-03-2018 12:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 11:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup. No room at the inn. Not sure why they would still be looking at RB since it seems to be one of the few strong position groups on the roster. Seems odd.
My only thought is that maybe they're looking to move McClelland around (remember, Auburn wanted him at DB) and would likely be redshirting Montgomery due to his injury. Then we're down to three...and honest, Thomas is much better than Montgomery and McClelland at the moment.
Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
Agreed. Even attempting to move him would be an egregious violation of trust. Something that I have no doubt CLF would avoid like the plague. He could be at Auburn right now if he wanted to play DB.
Also, nevermind that he's likely a difference maker for UC outta the backfield/ special teams next year in some capacity. We quite frankly don't have many/ anyone like him on our roster right now. You don't move him.
The better sacrifice would be to take, Sampson & Lewis, as opposed to 1 OL & 1 OLB. Who knows, but that could happen!
mc
(01-03-2018 04:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 11:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup. No room at the inn. Not sure why they would still be looking at RB since it seems to be one of the few strong position groups on the roster. Seems odd.
My only thought is that maybe they're looking to move McClelland around (remember, Auburn wanted him at DB) and would likely be redshirting Montgomery due to his injury. Then we're down to three...and honest, Thomas is much better than Montgomery and McClelland at the moment.
Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
Agreed. Even attempting to move him would be an egregious violation of trust. Something that I have no doubt CLF would avoid like the plague. He could be at Auburn right now if he wanted to play DB.
Also, nevermind that he's likely a difference maker for UC outta the backfield/ special teams next year in some capacity. We quite frankly don't have many/ anyone like him on our roster right now. You don't move him.
The better sacrifice would be to take, Sampson & Lewis, as opposed to 1 OL & 1 OLB. Who knows, but that could happen!
mc
I think everyone on here would take Sampson and Lewis over any other combination of rumored players. I was simply saying I'd much rather have a potential stud come in at RB than a fringe guy at a position with a ton of youth (OLB). If we land Lewis and Sampson with the last two scholies it'll be a friggin grand slam.
(01-03-2018 04:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 04:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 11:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup. No room at the inn. Not sure why they would still be looking at RB since it seems to be one of the few strong position groups on the roster. Seems odd.
My only thought is that maybe they're looking to move McClelland around (remember, Auburn wanted him at DB) and would likely be redshirting Montgomery due to his injury. Then we're down to three...and honest, Thomas is much better than Montgomery and McClelland at the moment.
Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
Agreed. Even attempting to move him would be an egregious violation of trust. Something that I have no doubt CLF would avoid like the plague. He could be at Auburn right now if he wanted to play DB.
Also, nevermind that he's likely a difference maker for UC outta the backfield/ special teams next year in some capacity. We quite frankly don't have many/ anyone like him on our roster right now. You don't move him.
The better sacrifice would be to take, Sampson & Lewis, as opposed to 1 OL & 1 OLB. Who knows, but that could happen!
mc
I think everyone on here would take Sampson and Lewis over any other combination of rumored players. I was simply saying I'd much rather have a potential stud come in at RB than a fringe guy at a position with a ton of youth (OLB). If we land Lewis and Sampson with the last two scholies it'll be a friggin grand slam.
Fair enough.
Though, I would kinda would still rather take a flyer on a guy. We're bringing in, Mr. Manac, to plug an immediate need at OLB. He seemingly confirmed on Twitter that he's going to make it in to UC, so we kinda have some players for the here & now. The only reason I'm open to a fringe guy is because I believe CLF has proven his ability in developing talent on that side of the ball.
A stable of RBs that full esp if Mr. Thomas, is who he appears to be would likely lead to some PT friction, and ultimately a guy leaving Clifton. Just would seem like a potential waste.
Whatever tho....i'm sure it's all for naught as I highly doubt we're seriously in play for his services.
mc
(01-03-2018 07:43 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 04:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 04:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]My only thought is that maybe they're looking to move McClelland around (remember, Auburn wanted him at DB) and would likely be redshirting Montgomery due to his injury. Then we're down to three...and honest, Thomas is much better than Montgomery and McClelland at the moment.
Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
Agreed. Even attempting to move him would be an egregious violation of trust. Something that I have no doubt CLF would avoid like the plague. He could be at Auburn right now if he wanted to play DB.
Also, nevermind that he's likely a difference maker for UC outta the backfield/ special teams next year in some capacity. We quite frankly don't have many/ anyone like him on our roster right now. You don't move him.
The better sacrifice would be to take, Sampson & Lewis, as opposed to 1 OL & 1 OLB. Who knows, but that could happen!
mc
I think everyone on here would take Sampson and Lewis over any other combination of rumored players. I was simply saying I'd much rather have a potential stud come in at RB than a fringe guy at a position with a ton of youth (OLB). If we land Lewis and Sampson with the last two scholies it'll be a friggin grand slam.
Fair enough.
Though, I would kinda would still rather take a flyer on a guy. We're bringing in, Mr. Manac, to plug an immediate need at OLB. He seemingly confirmed on Twitter that he's going to make it in to UC, so we kinda have some players for the here & now. The only reason I'm open to a fringe guy is because I believe CLF has proven his ability in developing talent on that side of the ball.
A stable of RBs that full esp if Mr. Thomas, is who he appears to be would likely lead to some PT friction, and ultimately a guy leaving Clifton. Just would seem like a potential waste.
Whatever tho....i'm sure it's all for naught as I highly doubt we're seriously in play for his services.
mc
I'm fairly certain Manac will be playing DE here. Could be wrong, but I seem to recall most press about him talking about him playing there.
I'm of the mindset that competition will breed elite players, and a stable with that many good players already would make the cream at the top that much better.
Not a fan of Dayton City football teams, but I like Thomas. He reminds me of Darryl Royal - google him all you young bucks. If he wants to come to UC, you have to find room for him. He is also a good LB, so if he doesn't work out offensively, there is a plan B.
Next, next season can't get here fast enough.
p.s. Those worried about hurting a player's feelings: Georgia has two pretty good running backs (actually 3) who are best friends.
Yeah let’s not pretend that the big boys just recruit one five star kid and then a bunch of one star kids behind them. You stockpile talent. This is football people get injured or transfer all the time. Lots of recruits see immediate PT as an incentive for sure but the new RBs have their work cut out for them regardless with Doaks and Warren already ahead of them.
(01-03-2018 09:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 07:43 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 04:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 04:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2018 12:43 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Therein lies the rub with the early signing period. You perhaps tie your hands at a position when you load up early and then someone up the vine shakes free.
McClelland specifically said he came here because he was going to get to play RB whereas other schools wanted him to play DB. And its not like the kid can't handle that position. He's more athletic than any we have back there right now. If they are planning on moving him, he's probably not going to be happy and I would;t blame him. Montgomery will redshirt anyways.
Another RB is a luxury item when you look at the OL and LB's in this class and what is on the roster. Like I said, maybe if they miss on difference makers at OL or OLB with those last 2 spots you take the luxury item over the next available.
Agreed. Even attempting to move him would be an egregious violation of trust. Something that I have no doubt CLF would avoid like the plague. He could be at Auburn right now if he wanted to play DB.
Also, nevermind that he's likely a difference maker for UC outta the backfield/ special teams next year in some capacity. We quite frankly don't have many/ anyone like him on our roster right now. You don't move him.
The better sacrifice would be to take, Sampson & Lewis, as opposed to 1 OL & 1 OLB. Who knows, but that could happen!
mc
I think everyone on here would take Sampson and Lewis over any other combination of rumored players. I was simply saying I'd much rather have a potential stud come in at RB than a fringe guy at a position with a ton of youth (OLB). If we land Lewis and Sampson with the last two scholies it'll be a friggin grand slam.
Fair enough.
Though, I would kinda would still rather take a flyer on a guy. We're bringing in, Mr. Manac, to plug an immediate need at OLB. He seemingly confirmed on Twitter that he's going to make it in to UC, so we kinda have some players for the here & now. The only reason I'm open to a fringe guy is because I believe CLF has proven his ability in developing talent on that side of the ball.
A stable of RBs that full esp if Mr. Thomas, is who he appears to be would likely lead to some PT friction, and ultimately a guy leaving Clifton. Just would seem like a potential waste.
Whatever tho....i'm sure it's all for naught as I highly doubt we're seriously in play for his services.
mc
I'm fairly certain Manac will be playing DE here. Could be wrong, but I seem to recall most press about him talking about him playing there.
I'm of the mindset that competition will breed elite players, and a stable with that many good players already would make the cream at the top that much better.
Oh jeez....no, you're right here. I keep making this same mistake about, Manac. He's definitely coming here to play DE.
Which....i guess does leave us with an even bigger need at OLB.
mc
Move in time for the EEs. Here's a few tweets to celebrate and give you an idea of what the football players' digs look like:
Florida State hiring Mich St's DC Harlon Barnett. He's a big time recruiter for MSU - should help out UC.
So someone needs to get the McClelland some UC stuff. Plus tell them the spring and summers are great here. LOL. Welcome to the family.
(01-05-2018 09:58 AM)wanes Wrote: [ -> ]Florida State hiring Mich St's DC Harlon Barnett. He's a big time recruiter for MSU - should help out UC.
Yes except I'm guessing he'll still probably recruit the 513 and Ohio for FSU. Although they likely won't be targeting anywhere near as many Ohio kids as MSU does so that should be good for us.
I wonder if Barnett will end up with Deion on his defensive staff? Also, looks like Barnett was making about $450K at MSU. "According to Yahoo Sports' Pete Thamel, Barnett's deal will be for three years at nearly $1 million per season."
(01-07-2018 11:34 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote: [ -> ]Manac decommitted.
That was predictable.
(01-07-2018 11:34 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote: [ -> ]Manac decommitted.
That sucks big time, though isn't unexpected considering the departure of his recruiter Al Washington. That leaves us with 3 spots left in our class. Our top 2 targets seem to be Nick Lewis and Tyrone Sampson. Will we close out with Ja'qurius Smith?
It seemed he was saying he qualified. At least that's what I inferred from a Twitter post of his. I wonder if he ends up signing anywhere at all, or if he simply can't qualify.
Either way, wish him the best.
Lewis & Sampson come on down! Wishful thinking. If we can get those two and the Case OLB it's gonna be nuts!
mc
(01-07-2018 01:03 PM)marcuscan Wrote: [ -> ]It seemed he was saying he qualified. At least that's what I inferred from a Twitter post of his. I wonder if he ends up signing anywhere at all, or if he simply can't qualify.
Either way, wish him the best.
Lewis & Sampson come on down! Wishful thinking. If we can get those two and the Case OLB it's gonna be nuts!
mc
The two offensive lineman for sure. Smith for Manac may not be a bad trade in consideration of our current roster.
(01-07-2018 12:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2018 11:34 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote: [ -> ]Manac decommitted.
That sucks big time, though isn't unexpected considering the departure of his recruiter Al Washington. That leaves us with 3 spots left in our class. Our top 2 targets seem to be Nick Lewis and Tyrone Sampson. Will we close out with Ja'qurius Smith?
Either Al Washington or grades. Wasn't there already an eligibility concern when he didn't sign in the early period? Those 25 spots are treated like gold now.