(04-06-2023 02:45 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 12:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Specifically, without the grandiose rhetorical flourishes -- please detail in specific detail these grand misuses.
I don't keep a running tally on this stuff, so this is just what my aging brain recalls (starting with the Obama administration, which seems to be when the gov't machinery truly started being used for political vengeance):
--> The "Fast and Furious" (Holder/ATF) Scandal - - no accountability or consequences whatsoever, other than to one very tragic border control agent.
--> The IRS Scandal (Lois Lerner) - - no accountability or consequences, aside from a cushy taxpayer funded retirement.
--> The Clinton Investigation Immunity Grants (Cheryl Mills, among others) - - no accountability or consequences.
--> The FBI Investigatory Leaks (Comey, Stzrok, et al.) - - no accountability or consequences.
--> The Unmasking Scandal (Samantha Powers) - - no accountability or consequences.
--> The FISA warrant/Steele Memo ( both of which you've cited) - - no accountability or consequences, other than a "slap on the wrist" to a pathetic little toad named Kevin Clinesmith.
To repeat myself, this is not comprehensive. It is what a recall from memory.
Compare that to the Mar-a-Lago raid. Typical slimy and arrogant behavior on the part of Donald Trump. Yet this time there are consequences: the raid on his home.
A couple more, which escaped my aging memory yesterday:
—> James Clapper/William Brennan lying to Congress - - no consequences.
—> FBI Agent Timothy Thibault pre-election burying of the Hunter Biden laptop evidence - - no consequences.
—> Who is Ray Epps? So far no consequences.
—> Recent report on 40 (or so) undercover federal agents embedded with the Jan. 6 rioters. Is it true? I don’t know. But if it is I know for a certainty that there will be no consequences.
When is enough enough for you, tanq.?
And what is gained by making a martyr of Donald Trump, who frankly deserves nothing more than to be laughed out of American politics as a sad joke of a loser? More important, what is lost in doing so? The answer to that should be obvious: the sacrifice of any level of basic trust in our system of justice.
(04-06-2023 03:20 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 03:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]AM has finally found someone whose TDS is worse than his own. Shocking eh AM?
I don't know what circles you travel in, Bartlett, but if you think that tanq. and I (and a handful of others on this forum) represent a small minority of American opinion on the repulsive nature of Donald Trump, then you really need to get out more.
His rallies do not represent America as a whole. Not even close.
Dude's nothing but a troll. Think about it. Have you ever seen him participate in any discussion and put forth ideas or thoughts in any meaningful way?
Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts.
(04-06-2023 05:14 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 04:59 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 04:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 02:44 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2023 02:31 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]The transformation of this current misdemeanor into a felony regards that the 'fake' business record be one that supports, or obscures, another crime. If the basis is the Federal campaign finance crime, that seems a stretch to me. If that is the case, I would have zero issue with a dismissal after a motion to dismiss.
But, none of us really know what that 'crime tie in' really is. I will wait until more is known about that underlying basis for an 'crime hook' to make a definitive opinion.
Neither does the defense. That is the issue at hand.
The indictment *doesnt* have to on its face.
But, it cannot survive a motion to dismiss without the state's case outlined more fully -- no doubt.
And without that more fully outlined case -- a motion to dismiss *should* be granted.
This is where you lose lawyer. This isn’t about Fat Alvin winning. You are just so consumed with hate you fail to see the reality of it all. Keep it going forever. Bleed him dry. Claim he’s a felon in the news. But never go to trial.
If Bragg is simply doing this to 'tie Trump in knots' -- that is a jailable offense potentially. My suggestion if it is the case -- go git em tiger.....
The problem is that Im really the only one looking at it objectively and flatly without interjecting a predefined political bent to it.
If Bragg doesnt expand on it, I will grant you your point. Until then, I'll take the objective view, thank you.
You can add me to that list. I was pretty underwhelmed by what was released. They better have something more for trial...else this will be just a giant boost for trump.
Although by the time this gets to any sort of trial phase, trump will likely be embroiled in a couple other bigger issues.
Of course Bragg doesn't have any more. This is a political stunt, not a legitimate law enforcement effort.
Eight months since the raid on the personal residence of the former president. Do we care, or does this state-sanctioned thuggery get shrugged off simply because the target is a cartoonishly dislikeable man?
Comrade Garland and Commandant Wray are counting on the latter.
(04-08-2023 08:05 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Eight months since the raid on the personal residence of the former president. Do we care, or does this state-sanctioned thuggery get shrugged off simply because the target is a cartoonishly dislikeable man?
Comrade Garland and Commandant Wray are counting on the latter.
Yeah but at least they stole his medical records while they were rifling through Melania’s panties. What do you suppose they wanted them for?
I don’t think it was for a secret map to the classified documents? It was surely for some other reason. Anyone got a clue?
(04-08-2023 10:27 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-08-2023 08:05 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Eight months since the raid on the personal residence of the former president. Do we care, or does this state-sanctioned thuggery get shrugged off simply because the target is a cartoonishly dislikeable man?
Comrade Garland and Commandant Wray are counting on the latter.
Yeah but at least they stole his medical records while they were rifling through Melania’s panties. What do you suppose they wanted them for?
I don’t think it was for a secret map to the classified documents? It was surely for some other reason. Anyone got a clue?
If you know a persons medical history you possess things which could discredit them, like heart conditions, venereal diseases, psychiatric care, etc. But more importantly you know their health vulnerabilities and how to hit them and make it appear to be natural causes. So for reasons ranging from prejudicing the public to the crime of murder there are reasons for your enemies to want that information.
(04-07-2023 06:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Dude's nothing but a troll. Think about it. Have you ever seen him participate in any discussion and put forth ideas or thoughts in any meaningful way?
Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts.
How much would you be willing to bet, Tom, that AM would disagree with you about whether it’s you or me that is the troll?
As I’ve said before, I come here because there’s news offered here that’s hard to find elsewhere, I’m not here to debate silly little beta males like yourself who have no life beyond arguing with strangers on the internet.
(04-09-2023 10:09 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2023 06:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Dude's nothing but a troll. Think about it. Have you ever seen him participate in any discussion and put forth ideas or thoughts in any meaningful way?
Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts.
I’m not here to debate
Thats exactly what RWT said above..... Amazing that you agree with him while trying to troll him....
Lolz. Not thought out very well.... Double lolz
(04-09-2023 11:26 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2023 10:09 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2023 06:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Dude's nothing but a troll. Think about it. Have you ever seen him participate in any discussion and put forth ideas or thoughts in any meaningful way?
Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts.
I’m not here to debate
Thats exactly what RWT said above..... Amazing that you agree with him while trying to troll him....
Lolz. Not thought out very well.... Double lolz
Awful early on a Sunday for you to be drinking don't you think?
(04-09-2023 02:03 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
co-sign
Ever notice how Tom and tanq always take up for each other? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
(04-09-2023 11:33 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2023 11:26 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2023 10:09 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2023 06:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Dude's nothing but a troll. Think about it. Have you ever seen him participate in any discussion and put forth ideas or thoughts in any meaningful way?
Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts.
I’m not here to debate
Thats exactly what RWT said above..... Amazing that you agree with him while trying to troll him....
Lolz. Not thought out very well.... Double lolz
Awful early on a Sunday for you to be drinking don't you think?
"Most if not all his posts are basically one sentence grunts." Lolz.
(04-09-2023 03:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2023 02:03 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
co-sign
Ever notice how Tom and tanq always take up for each other? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Ever notice how Barteet and TiggerBlew always take up for each other?
Hate to break this to you, but I'd rather be associated with a poster who can actually articulate a point in a lucid manner even when they differ from mine, then lie down with trolls like yourself.
The funniest is part is you continually get smacked around and schooled by the likes of us on a daily basis, yet you just keep coming back for more beat-downs. What's the definition of insanity again???
You just keep telling yourself that Tom. Virtually the entire forum thinks you're a fool. Wanna make a poll?
(04-10-2023 07:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]You just keep telling yourself that Tom. Virtually the entire forum thinks you're a fool. Wanna make a poll?
Narrator: Defeated troll seeks solace and validation from other trolls.
Knock yourself out. Everyone
with a brain knows the actual score.
(04-10-2023 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 07:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]You just keep telling yourself that Tom. Virtually the entire forum thinks you're a fool. Wanna make a poll?
Narrator: Defeated troll seeks solace and validation from other trolls.
Knock yourself out. Everyone with a brain knows the actual score.
Not for nothing Tom, but Trump hasn't actually been put in jail nor been found guilty of anything yet.
So at best the score is 0 - 0.
(04-10-2023 10:33 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 07:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]You just keep telling yourself that Tom. Virtually the entire forum thinks you're a fool. Wanna make a poll?
Narrator: Defeated troll seeks solace and validation from other trolls.
Knock yourself out. Everyone with a brain knows the actual score.
Not for nothing Tom, but Trump hasn't actually been put in jail nor been found guilty of anything yet.
So at best the score is 0 - 0.
Gotta understand, Tom believes you're guilty and have to prove that you're innocent.
(04-10-2023 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 10:33 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2023 07:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]You just keep telling yourself that Tom. Virtually the entire forum thinks you're a fool. Wanna make a poll?
Narrator: Defeated troll seeks solace and validation from other trolls.
Knock yourself out. Everyone with a brain knows the actual score.
Not for nothing Tom, but Trump hasn't actually been put in jail nor been found guilty of anything yet.
So at best the score is 0 - 0.
Gotta understand, Tom believes you're guilty and have to prove that you're innocent.
Great... now I will have to refer to him as Tom Pelosi instead of TJP.
Kinda funny how a troll is constantly calling someone else a troll. I believe it's known as "deflection".