The convo in this thread highlights 2 completely different sets of reality, and proves why this country won't survive.
This is so sad, but most democracies (or republics) rarely survive more than 200 years. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
(08-09-2022 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 08:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 08:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 07:57 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I can ignore the trolls (scorpius) and pity the retards (Mensa). But I am appalled at ordinarily intelligent posters who think that there is some justification for turning the FBI into political brownshirts.
Let's look at this differently.
What is your reasoning to call this political agenda? Did they break the investigatory process in some way? Is there no precedent to suspect that Donald J. Trump would ever be raided by the FBI? What exactly are you upset about in the way this has gone down?
Let's look at this differently...
Why exactly are you not upset about the way this has gone down?
He was provided an opportunity to turn over all of the requested classified documents, yet he did not. Had he simply done what was asked… sound familiar… then the FBI would have not raided his home.
Try again. He turned them over months ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ar-a-lago/
I’ll tell ya what Hillary isn’t…….
madam president
(08-09-2022 10:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:29 AM)Kruciff Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:21 AM)HCJag Wrote: [ -> ]Thinking through all the lying, misrepresentation of evidence, alteration of evidence, raids on lawyers offices, raids on private properties, paying of foreign operatives by political opponents to manufacture complete bs, illegal wire taps, legal systems used to find anything that will stick regardless of if there is any probably cause, etc....how is it possible that nobody is in jail? I mean seriously, how is that even possible? The pubs need to check their manhood at the door.
You know you guys could end all this confusion by realizing Hillary is innocent, and Hunter Biden is nothing more than a useful distraction. But oh no! Everyone's out to get Trump and the poor, persecuted patriots.
Remember the time when Trump investigated his political opponents? Oh wait nvm that was Obama. Also nvm that was Biden.
Page one of being a communist: blame others for the exact tactics you're using. Alisnky is proud of Kruciff.
(08-09-2022 09:45 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:30 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ]This was a 9-hour raid and I suspect the warrant was based on new evidence. But it has to be based on Criminal evidence so there's that. You can collect a lot of stuff at 9 hours and Trump is just stupid enough to keep incriminating documents around. This is going to be interesting.
You keep repeating the same crap. That won't make it come true.
We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
And they don't care. At all. I obviously care because as a conservative/libertarian, I believe this is most likely unconstitutional, but they don't.
They haven't cared for some time now, starting around 2008. They used to keep the most scurrilous aspects of their agenda hidden, now they don't care if the whole world sees them for what they are. They have the power...
(08-09-2022 09:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:46 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:30 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]You keep repeating the same crap. That won't make it come true.
We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
The warrant has to be based on new knowledge of criminal evidence. That's why, while Trump could easily provide a copy of the warrant in his possession he doesn't. Show us the warrant trumpy
Was it based upon the same type of evidence that the warrant in 2016 was based on. You know, fake, made up evidence where the DOJ lied?
Gamenole: What? That never happened.
(08-09-2022 10:38 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]The convo in this thread highlights 2 completely different sets of reality, and proves why this country won't survive.
This is so sad, but most democracies (or republics) rarely survive more than 200 years. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I’m ready to split. Send all the loony libs to Cal or NY and let them live in their urban dumps.
(08-09-2022 09:57 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]It’s amazing the memory hole by Dems over ‘Russia collusion’ and all that entailed like fraudulent FISA warrants and flimsy evidence to conducted a spying campaign on a incoming Presidency.
No, it's not, not anymore.
Why not? That’s what it is
(08-09-2022 10:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 10:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:30 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]You keep repeating the same crap. That won't make it come true.
We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
They were already given the 15 boxes of files. Amazing how much hate affects Judgement. Unless they are searching for a murder weapon, Trump just got elected President last night.
15 boxes were turned over in February.
Quote:The National Archives and Records Administration acquired 15 additional boxes of presidential records from former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property in Florida in January, the Archives announced in a statement Monday.
The Washington Post first reported this retrieval, noting that among the documents now properly in the Archives' possession are letters between Trump and North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un, and the letter that President Barack Obama left at the White House for Trump in January 2017.
The Archives said that representatives for Trump are "continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives," adding that these documents should have been transferred to the Archives in January 2021 before the end of the Trump administration.
They are assuming there are more. This isn't the type of stuff that requires a Raid of a former President's home. Normal Americans don't like this sort of thing. Only miserable people full of hate.
A raid on a former president's home is not taken lightly by anyone. Careers are on the line . That's why this isn't a simple fishing Expedition or Witch Hunt as so many here want to frame it. They've got something. I suspect it's based on new evidence or new testimony. Trump could tell us what this new evidence is. If it was flimsy I'm sure he would have put it out there at the very beginning rather than staying quiet.
If they have anything at all then it's highly likely that they put it there. This is a witch hunt, nothing more, and they will do whatever they have to do to destroy Trump.
(08-09-2022 10:04 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]They going to have a press conference on this today?
Right. It will be really open and transparent. They scheduled this so that President Houseplant wouldn't even be in DC.
Everything is scripted.
Your government thinks you are stupid.
(08-09-2022 10:48 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
Why not? That’s what it is
Only took 10 hours for the libs to try and change definitions again.
(08-09-2022 10:48 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
Why not? That’s what it is
The left is dearly going to pretend that they've done didn't really happen. But there is no unspilling this milk.
(08-09-2022 10:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ]I can also see a situation where Trump is convicted and imprisoned under Section 2071 iyet is still the Republican nominee for president. Running his campaign in a jail cell. Conservative gold LOL
After reading your comments the last couple of days, I am quite sure that you see and hear a lot of things. None of them are anywhere close to reality, but I'm sure you see and hear them nonetheless.
(08-09-2022 10:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:46 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ]We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
The warrant has to be based on new knowledge of criminal evidence. That's why, while Trump could easily provide a copy of the warrant in his possession he doesn't. Show us the warrant trumpy
Why would he? AG Garland has made him the center of attention and has conferred upon him actual, legitimate victim status - - something he has been craving since the 2020 election. This is a gift to Donald Trump.
If there were a legitimate basis in support of this unannounced search, the onus is on the moving party to show it not upon the target to disprove a negative.
And what an awful precedent that you are justifying here. Are you stupid or evil, TC? It's got to be one or the other.
That isn't how it works. The FBI went to court and obtained a warrant, their burden of proof was already met and the search has been conducted. The burden of proof has now shifted to Trump, if he alleges the search was illegal or unconstitutional he will now have to show a federal judge WHY the warrant should not have been issued in order to have any evidence seized suppressed.
You live a in fantasy world where if that's what you think. The numerous allegations against the Clintons and the Bidens with plenty of substantive evidence being ignored disproves what you, in your naivete, thinks really happens these days. The FISA court debacle disproves that assertion.
(08-09-2022 10:48 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 10:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 10:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ]We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
They were already given the 15 boxes of files. Amazing how much hate affects Judgement. Unless they are searching for a murder weapon, Trump just got elected President last night.
15 boxes were turned over in February.
Quote:The National Archives and Records Administration acquired 15 additional boxes of presidential records from former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property in Florida in January, the Archives announced in a statement Monday.
The Washington Post first reported this retrieval, noting that among the documents now properly in the Archives' possession are letters between Trump and North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un, and the letter that President Barack Obama left at the White House for Trump in January 2017.
The Archives said that representatives for Trump are "continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives," adding that these documents should have been transferred to the Archives in January 2021 before the end of the Trump administration.
They are assuming there are more. This isn't the type of stuff that requires a Raid of a former President's home. Normal Americans don't like this sort of thing. Only miserable people full of hate.
A raid on a former president's home is not taken lightly by anyone. Careers are on the line . That's why this isn't a simple fishing Expedition or Witch Hunt as so many here want to frame it. They've got something. I suspect it's based on new evidence or new testimony. Trump could tell us what this new evidence is. If it was flimsy I'm sure he would have put it out there at the very beginning rather than staying quiet.
If they have anything at all then it's highly likely that they put it there. This is a witch hunt, nothing more, and they will do whatever they have to do to destroy Trump.
Maybe trumpy will go on Hannity tonight. I doubt he'll produce the warrant.
(08-09-2022 10:48 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 10:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 10:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022 09:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: [ -> ]We'll look at it this way, if the FBI knew exactly what they were looking for, the 15 boxes of documents, and they knew where those 15 boxes were, allegedly secured in a room and Mar-A-Lago, why a 9-hour search. Hence the suspicion of newly produced evidence.
Or politically driven fishing expedition.
And, given the established misuse of our D.o.J. for the Clinton sourced dossier and FISA warrants, which interpretation seems to you to be the most likely?
Oops, never mind, as a committed leftist fairness, consistency and basic logic never enter into the equation. It is team only. You lefty turds have crossed a irreversible line here.
They were already given the 15 boxes of files. Amazing how much hate affects Judgement. Unless they are searching for a murder weapon, Trump just got elected President last night.
15 boxes were turned over in February.
Quote:The National Archives and Records Administration acquired 15 additional boxes of presidential records from former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property in Florida in January, the Archives announced in a statement Monday.
The Washington Post first reported this retrieval, noting that among the documents now properly in the Archives' possession are letters between Trump and North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un, and the letter that President Barack Obama left at the White House for Trump in January 2017.
The Archives said that representatives for Trump are "continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives," adding that these documents should have been transferred to the Archives in January 2021 before the end of the Trump administration.
They are assuming there are more. This isn't the type of stuff that requires a Raid of a former President's home. Normal Americans don't like this sort of thing. Only miserable people full of hate.
A raid on a former president's home is not taken lightly by anyone. Careers are on the line . That's why this isn't a simple fishing Expedition or Witch Hunt as so many here want to frame it. They've got something. I suspect it's based on new evidence or new testimony. Trump could tell us what this new evidence is. If it was flimsy I'm sure he would have put it out there at the very beginning rather than staying quiet.
If they have anything at all then it's highly likely that they put it there. This is a witch hunt, nothing more, and they will do whatever they have to do to destroy Trump.
Weren't careers on the line from 2016-2018 with Russia-gate? How is this any different? We don't hear about how terrible it was that a two year investigation turned up no evidence of collusion and people just moved on. No pushback from the left/CNN/MSNBC on these supposed "careers."
It's simple, they'll have no real damning evidence and everyone on the left will move on per usual.
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