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(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you need my advise. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Leaks suggesting this is the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. In the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

I'll take "A Giant Heaping of Whatabout" for $2,000,000,000,000 please, Alex.

My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

(09-13-2022 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

You assessment is shared by many many others here.

(09-13-2022 07:35 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

You assessment is shared by many many others here.

Shared by everyone else here. If Tom were capable of honesty, he would admit it too.

(09-13-2022 07:37 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:35 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

You assessment is shared by many many others here.

Shared by everyone else here. If Tom were capable of honesty, he would admit it too.

Most honestest poster ever.. Ask him.

(09-13-2022 07:38 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:37 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:35 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

You assessment is shared by many many others here.

Shared by everyone else here. If Tom were capable of honesty, he would admit it too.

Most honestest poster ever.. Ask him.

As an independent, he is a master of riding that "fair and balanced fence"

(09-13-2022 07:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:38 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:37 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:35 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]My comment was not directed to you Tom. Unlike tanq., you sadly (at least in my assessment) have proven yourself to be a leftist troll.

You assessment is shared by many many others here.

Shared by everyone else here. If Tom were capable of honesty, he would admit it too.

Most honestest poster ever.. Ask him.

As an independent, he is a master of riding that "fair and balanced fence"

Still not an independent, and never claimed to be. But you do you, lying clown.

Has Trump been arrested yet?

(09-13-2022 07:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you need my advise. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Leaks suggesting this is the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. In the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

I'll take "A Giant Heaping of Whatabout" for $2,000,000,000,000 please, Alex.

There you go again...

AdoptedMonarch lists the reasons why many R's/Conservatives on this board are dismissive of the investigation and instead of listening/engaging you deflect.

These points are valid whether it fits your political agenda or not, Tom. Equal enforcement of the law is just as important as the supposed crime.

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

This is spot on.

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

Exactly. I am EXTREMELY skeptical of anything this DOJ says or does with respect to Trump---and this DOJ has totally earned that skepticism through several years of prior misbehavior and straight up lying in an effort to politicize the justice system. American democracy cannot survive if we have an old Soviet style KGB political police force.

(09-13-2022 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

Exactly. I am EXTREMELY skeptical of anything this DOJ says or does with respect to Trump---and this DOJ has totally earned that skepticism through several years of prior misbehavior and straight up lying in an effort to politicize the justice system. American democracy cannot survive if we have an old Soviet style KGB political police force.

Has it survived? Do you trust your elections? Has PAC money totally corrupted both sides of the aisle? Do you feel your voice and vote matters? Where was the outrage when H.W. Bush grandfathered in the election qualification requirements for the DEM and GOP parties? Once that was in place no third party candidate like Ross Perot could afford to qualify severally to be on each state ballot while the GOP and DEM's got a free pass.

Gulliver had long been tied down by little changes which unnoticed made it possible for what we are lamenting to take place. Treaties abrogated some of our rights while constraining liability claims against multi-nationals. And what most are missing with regard to personal wealth and a digitized dollar is that Big Brother will control all of your transactions and livelihood. Not enough uproar on that either.

But the DOJ isn't the KGB or GRU, it's the Gestapo. We are dealing with corporate fascism, and not Marxism, though both are equally repugnant you must identify the strain of the virus if you are to successfully develop immunity. The extreme right and the extreme left are almost side by side points on a 360 degree political graph in that they are separated at most by a single degree of difference. Does production run the state, or does the state run production. Both bypass the citizen.

We have one party with two names. The one party is Corpnocrat in nature. And it hides behind 2 purchased labels: Democrat & Republican.

The nation is a fascist Corpocracy, not a democracy as mislabeled by many, nor is it what it is supposed to be, a republic.

(09-13-2022 12:35 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

Exactly. I am EXTREMELY skeptical of anything this DOJ says or does with respect to Trump---and this DOJ has totally earned that skepticism through several years of prior misbehavior and straight up lying in an effort to politicize the justice system. American democracy cannot survive if we have an old Soviet style KGB political police force.

Has it survived? Do you trust your elections? Has PAC money totally corrupted both sides of the aisle? Do you feel your voice and vote matters? Where was the outrage when H.W. Bush grandfathered in the election qualification requirements for the DEM and GOP parties? Once that was in place no third party candidate like Ross Perot could afford to qualify severally to be on each state ballot while the GOP and DEM's got a free pass.

Gulliver had long been tied down by little changes which unnoticed made it possible for what we are lamenting to take place. Treaties abrogated some of our rights while constraining liability claims against multi-nationals. And what most are missing with regard to personal wealth and a digitized dollar is that Big Brother will control all of your transactions and livelihood. Not enough uproar on that either.

But the DOJ isn't the KGB or GRU, it's the Gestapo. We are dealing with corporate fascism, and not Marxism, though both are equally repugnant you must identify the strain of the virus if you are to successfully develop immunity. The extreme right and the extreme left are almost side by side points on a 360 degree political graph in that they are separated at most by a single degree of difference. Does production run the state, or does the state run production. Both bypass the citizen.

We have one party with two names. The one party is Corpnocrat in nature. And it hides behind 2 purchased labels: Democrat & Republican.

The nation is a fascist Corpocracy, not a democracy as mislabeled by many, nor is it what it is supposed to be, a republic.

That sounds like a threat to democracy.

Two days in the hole!

(09-13-2022 09:01 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]AdoptedMonarch lists the reasons why many R's/Conservatives on this board are dismissive of the investigation and instead of listening/engaging you deflect.

These points are valid whether it fits your political agenda or not, Tom. Equal enforcement of the law is just as important as the supposed crime.

Look, I understand many of the listed incidents in the list -- criminy I have complained about the lack of enforcement on many of those.

To your last sentence --- in a manner I concur.

But what we are talking about here is now not 'equal enforcement' but 'non-enforcement' followed by more 'non-enforcement'. The second non-enforcement being noted as a 'makeup call' in style.

The system of justice cant survive non-enforcement.

Many years ago, back when I was in big ticket complex litigation, Bill Clinton did his famous 'it depends on what is is.' The one that garnered him a well deserved impeachment based on perjury and obstruction. For a full 4 years after that, when doing the 'coaching' of witnesses for direct presentation and deposition, a regular comment when telling the witness that under no circumstances should they lie, the response was 'why not? Clinton did.'

I am hearing from my colleagues still doing that style of law that they are seeing that same trend again.

With all honesty, if Trump had simply done a 'well, I have the classified materials, let's work on on way to get them back' --- I wouldnt have the same style of hard line stance that I do now.

And no -- Trump was not 'helping them' get them back (going back to the first DJT excuse de jour). He obstructed them at every opportunity, he blew off subpoenas, and he probably actually lied to them under oath. So honestly -- fk DJT on this.

Second, there is no earthly reason why any private citizen should have the numbers and types of documents that seems to have found their way to DJT hotel basement. And there is no legal reason for him to hold on to them.

But that series of steps is what is at the core of DJT. Anything goes. He wants to pull that **** -- fine, I have zero problem with the DOJ unloading on him simply for the obstruction and perjury.

And, to be clear, before the 'whadabout' comes around I felt the same way about Hillary's obstructive behavior.

Trump Legal Team Puts Dagger Through DOJ's Political Charade: 'This Is Going to Backfire - Badly - on Biden'

Quote:“The [Presidential Records Act] accords any President extraordinary discretion to categorize all his or her records as either Presidential or personal records, and established case law provides for very limited judicial oversight over such categorization. The PRA further contains no provision authorizing or allowing for any criminal enforcement,” Trump’s motion read.

“What is clear regarding all of the seized materials is that they belong with either President Trump (as his personal property to be returned pursuant to Rule 41(g)) or with NARA, but not with the Department of Justice.”

(09-13-2022 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2022 10:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero disagreement with you on the Biden clown show currently in the WH. That isnt an excuse or really related to Mar a Lago, though.

And no, I dont think Trumpistas are racist, fascist, sexist, white supremacist, or deplorables.

I dont understand why people buy in to the grifter, though.

tanq., you don’t need my advice. But you're gonna get it anyway:

You do not strike me as a leftist troll. You seem to me to be someone who is sincerely committed to the "Rule of Law", which has been one of the most precious tenets of our nation during its existence, at least since the adoption of the Bill of Rights. Although not always honored (particularly in the historical context of race), for the most part the American legal system has been head-and-shoulders superior to any other country's legal system - - living up to its stated mission of applying the law equally to all citizens.

Which is why this Mar-a-Lago raid conducted by the Diapers/Kneepads D.o.J. is so frightening, especially in the wake of the well-established underhanded behavior of the Obama D.o.J. (and Treasury Dept.) with:
--> the Fast and Furious scandal, the IRS targeting of conservative entities,
--> the Hillary e-mails whitewash,
--> the contrived prosecution of Gen. Flynn,
--> the false warrants for the Carter Page subpoena,
--> the altered Strzok 302 report,
--> the intentional burying of the Steele Dossier source,
--> the intentional burying of the Hunter laptop,
--> and so on.

So many of our American industries and institutions have disgraced themselves over the past 15 years. Mainstream media's credibility is in the dumpster - - not because of talk radio or Fox News but instead of because its persistent water-carrying for the left. The medical establishment has likewise disgraced itself, by bending over to the Obamacare takeover of our health and insurance industries. Elizabeth Warren's CFPB has completely crippled our banking industry.

But the scariest of all is the politicization of our justice system. Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

If there was a national security concern, that needs to be stated (not the content, but the fact of it). Unsupported leaks suggesting this may have been the case is not the same as a categorical statement of the fact from Weasel Garland. And in the absence of that statement, I and many others are going to assume the worst - - particularly in light of the many abuses we have seen since Barack Obama took over the controls of our gov't.

Very well said Adopted, but I have one huge caveat in there. In particular the main difference I have with your POV is in this passage:

Quote:Your (and others') dismissiveness of real concerns leading up to this raid undermines the respect of the public for our federal justice system. It is not an answer to say that this is acceptable because Donald Trump is a dishonest jerk. In America, even dishonest jerks have civil rights.

In the first sentence, there are many who look at the flouting of the law by DJT (and it is apparently what it is) as the dismissive act. And it is those acts that show the complete lack of respect for the justice system.

And no, I am not saying 'it is acceptable because DJT is a dishonest jerk'. I am saying it because in this instance in my opinion Trump lied about and obstructed about an act. And that act may also be an illegal act unto itself. Period. DJT being a dishonest jerk has zero weight in that calculus.

And yes, I agree dishonest jerks have civil rights. All people have civil rights. I cant see a violation of DJTs civil rights in this, even when you take all the daily smoke and mirrors proffered by him as his new reason why he had scads of **** in his basement that would send almost everyone else to jail, and why his lying and obstructing on it isnt lying and obstructing.

In fact, given the Special Master, DJT has demonstrated he has *more* civil rights than literally 99.999% of every other person in the DOJ spotlight. So your comments of how few civil rights DJT has really dont wash.

Be good, good sir.

(09-13-2022 01:52 PM)Claw Wrote: [ -> ]Trump Legal Team Puts Dagger Through DOJ's Political Charade: 'This Is Going to Backfire - Badly - on Biden'

Quote:“The [Presidential Records Act] accords any President extraordinary discretion to categorize all his or her records as either Presidential or personal records, and established case law provides for very limited judicial oversight over such categorization. The PRA further contains no provision authorizing or allowing for any criminal enforcement,” Trump’s motion read.

“What is clear regarding all of the seized materials is that they belong with either President Trump (as his personal property to be returned pursuant to Rule 41(g)) or with NARA, but not with the Department of Justice.”

You're silly.. Trump is surrounded by idiots... As you can tell since he's still walking free and they've been trying to nail him for 7 years.

(09-13-2022 01:52 PM)Claw Wrote: [ -> ]Trump Legal Team Puts Dagger Through DOJ's Political Charade: 'This Is Going to Backfire - Badly - on Biden'

Quote:“The [Presidential Records Act] accords any President extraordinary discretion to categorize all his or her records as either Presidential or personal records, and established case law provides for very limited judicial oversight over such categorization. The PRA further contains no provision authorizing or allowing for any criminal enforcement,” Trump’s motion read.

“What is clear regarding all of the seized materials is that they belong with either President Trump (as his personal property to be returned pursuant to Rule 41(g)) or with NARA, but not with the Department of Justice.”

So tell me, what would allow anyone...including a former president...to possess top secrets documents that may be covered under the Atomic Energy Act in their home?

Hint: The government isn't really concerned with the equivalent of a legal pad with his name on it that he may have kept as a personal possession.

(09-13-2022 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2022 01:52 PM)Claw Wrote: [ -> ]Trump Legal Team Puts Dagger Through DOJ's Political Charade: 'This Is Going to Backfire - Badly - on Biden'

Quote:“The [Presidential Records Act] accords any President extraordinary discretion to categorize all his or her records as either Presidential or personal records, and established case law provides for very limited judicial oversight over such categorization. The PRA further contains no provision authorizing or allowing for any criminal enforcement,” Trump’s motion read.

“What is clear regarding all of the seized materials is that they belong with either President Trump (as his personal property to be returned pursuant to Rule 41(g)) or with NARA, but not with the Department of Justice.”

So tell me, what would allow anyone...including a former president...to possess top secrets documents that may be covered under the Atomic Energy Act in their home?

Hint: The government is really concerned with the equivalent of a legal pad with his name on it that he may have kept as a personal possession.

If they are HIS documents, they are his. period.