(12-09-2022 11:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2022 04:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022 10:47 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022 02:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]After all that rambling it’s still a pertinent question. One you did not actually answer.
Bet you would deny to death you didn’t contribute to the Clinton Defense Fund. And I’m sure I’d win.
I truly am highly amused by the level of the dumb*** assumptions that fly around from the stupider people around here. You would win because I didnt contribute. Imagine that. Not that that simple fact would make much of an impact on that sharp edge of a mind evidenced by the bolded.
By the way sparky, people didnt necessarily contribute to the Trump defense fund. The grifter simply uses his political fund for that. All those morons buying a MAGA hat dont know they are paying Truly and the others. I take it you did not know that?
For one who regularly scolds for ad hominem attacks you certainly seem triggered. Have another shot of gin and cool off “sparky”.
I'll take it that you dont find your assertion that I contributed to the Clinton Defense Fund as a matter of fact as something more than a kneejerk assumption. Noted.
That type of kneejerk comment typically emanates from people who dont quite think things through, or just go through life guided by broad brush strokes.
Here is a quick lesson -- being critical of Trump does not automatically make one a 'liberal', nor does it mean that they supported Clinton -- either of the two that needed legal help.
Given that quick primer in basic logic, I suggest you go quaff a beer and ponder that.
And horrors, I will readily note that leap in logic as the 'not the sharpest' comment or step in deduction it qualifies for. It seemingly happens at a pretty good pace around here.
Have not nor would I suggest I’m the sharpest tool in the shed. I’ll leave that proclamation to you. However, I do feel a little enlightened compared to some who support The Big Guy and label Trump a grifter.
Good for you. Another dumb*** blind assumption there that I support The Big Guy. Two fer two. Want to keep adding to that total?
So has Trump been arrested yet? Asking for Tanq...
I guess Trump hasnt been arrested yet huh?
Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
(12-12-2022 12:29 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
Is.he.in.jail.yet?
You guys just insist on making yourselves look like idiots.
(12-12-2022 12:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:29 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
Is.he.in.jail.yet?
You guys just insist on making yourselves look like idiots.
He. Reported. News.
The only "idiots" here are those who keep asking, every damned day, whether trump is in jail yet, when there's likely ZERO chance any of these charges will result in jail time, much less the fact that you don't normally throw ANYONE in jail in the middle of an investigation such as this.
(12-12-2022 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:29 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
Is.he.in.jail.yet?
You guys just insist on making yourselves look like idiots.
He. Reported. News.
The only "idiots" here are those who keep asking, every damned day, whether trump is in jail yet, when there's likely ZERO chance any of these charges will result in jail time, much less the fact that you don't normally throw ANYONE in jail in the middle of an investigation such as this.
I dont understand why you argue with a pair of Raymonds over a 'Wapner Time' protocol?
(12-12-2022 03:44 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:29 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
Is.he.in.jail.yet?
You guys just insist on making yourselves look like idiots.
He. Reported. News.
The only "idiots" here are those who keep asking, every damned day, whether trump is in jail yet, when there's likely ZERO chance any of these charges will result in jail time, much less the fact that you don't normally throw ANYONE in jail in the middle of an investigation such as this.
I dont understand why you argue with a pair of Raymonds over a 'Wapner Time' protocol?
Yeah...I'm not usually an optimist either. I guess I'm hoping that at some point they might actually recognize, or face, reality.
(12-12-2022 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022 12:29 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Another loss in court for the former President -
"Judge Tosses Trump’s Lawsuit Over Mar-a-Lago Documents
December 12, 2022 at 11:49 am EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
“Former president Donald Trump’s legal effort to thwart a Justice Department investigation into classified documents seized from his palatial Palm Beach estate was officially tossed out Monday,” the Miami Herald reports."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/12/jud...documents/
Is.he.in.jail.yet?
You guys just insist on making yourselves look like idiots.
He. Reported. News.
The only "idiots" here are those who keep asking, every damned day, whether trump is in jail yet, when there's likely ZERO chance any of these charges will result in jail time, much less the fact that you don't normally throw ANYONE in jail in the middle of an investigation such as this.
Leave it to Tom to finally get an answer.
You are right Tom, it’s all about the investigation. All about the optics. The democrats know what’s coming and it has nothing to do with Trump or him running his mouth. The house was flipped and one side of congress is enough to begin shining a light on the filth. Trump is a distraction. Not for republicans though and that’s where the thread is being pulled.
BTW, when will he be arrested?
My guess is sometime around when the house calls Hunter Biden to testify.
The point being made - - which I agree is a horse that has been beaten past death, and is now ready for the glue factory - - is the more-than-justified assumption by many of us that the Mar-a-Lago raid had NO basis in any legitimate claim of "probable cause".
Aside from watching two or three episodes of "Law and Order", I have no claim to expertise in criminal process. But I do have a general sense that American citizens - - even absolute "shitbirds" (your term) like Donald Trump - - have a right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. The fact that my local Commonwealth's Attorney (Virginia's version of a D.A.) may dislike me because I vocally supported his opponent in the last election should not result in my home being raided on trumped-up (pun intended) claims that I am harboring some elicit material - - but not even telling me what that material is suspected to be.
And then when I complain about it, being told that I am not entitled to know what the facts are or who it was that supposedly ratted me out, because it might compromise an active investigation. And then, after the raid is complete, my house in disarray and my reputation in tatters, just let it sit and fester for months - - with no charges to follow.
That may be the way things actually happen in the criminal realm. But if it is, I sure don't like it - - even when wielded against a very deserving target like Donald Trump. For all the sneering being done on this thread, the bottom-line concern, that should be a concern for all Americans regardless of political affiliation, is that Garland, Wray and their team of government thugs have more that proved themselves to be untrustworthy. That is the worst of what was done at Mar-a-Lago. And the fact that four months later still nothing has come of it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
Tom doesn't care. He posts what he's paid to post. I realize that.
But I do still hold out hope for you, tanq. You are smart. You appear to care. And you seem generally to take positions based upon the known facts. Which is why I don't understand your being so invested in this one. I may have missed some of what you've posted, but I don't recall seeing you entertain even the first concern about the possibility that this was nothing more than a politically motivated raid. One that was meant in the short term to steal the pre-election headlines from what was otherwise a wipeout for the Democrats, and in the long term to provoke Donald Trump into jumping into the 2024 fray. I don't know that to be the case, I just suspect that is so. I don't understand why and how you are so sure it is not the case.
(12-13-2022 07:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]The point being made - - which I agree is a horse that has been beaten past death, and is now ready for the glue factory - - is the more-than-justified assumption by many of us that the Mar-a-Lago raid had NO basis in any legitimate claim of "probable cause".
Aside from watching two or three episodes of "Law and Order", I have no claim to expertise in criminal process. But I do have a general sense that American citizens - - even absolute "shitbirds" (your term) like Donald Trump - - have a right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. The fact that my local Commonwealth's Attorney (Virginia's version of a D.A.) may dislike me because I vocally supported his opponent in the last election should not result in my home being raided on trumped-up (pun intended) claims that I am harboring some elicit material - - but not even telling me what that material is suspected to be.
And then when I complain about it, being told that I am not entitled to know what the facts are or who it was that supposedly ratted me out, because it might compromise an active investigation. And then, after the raid is complete, my house in disarray and my reputation in tatters, just let it sit and fester for months - - with no charges to follow.
That may be the way things actually happen in the criminal realm. But if it is, I sure don't like it - - even when wielded against a very deserving target like Donald Trump. For all the sneering being done on this thread, the bottom-line concern, that should be a concern for all Americans regardless of political affiliation, is that Garland, Wray and their team of government thugs have more that proved themselves to be untrustworthy. That is the worst of what was done at Mar-a-Lago. And the fact that four months later still nothing has come of it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
Tom doesn't care. He posts what he's paid to post. I realize that.
But I do still hold out hope for you, tanq. You are smart. You appear to care. And you seem generally to take positions based upon the known facts. Which is why I don't understand your being so invested in this one. I may have missed some of what you've posted, but I don't recall seeing you entertain even the first concern about the possibility that this was nothing more than a politically motivated raid. One that was meant in the short term to steal the pre-election headlines from what was otherwise a wipeout for the Democrats, and in the long term to provoke Donald Trump into jumping into the 2024 fray. I don't know that to be the case, I just suspect that is so. I don't understand why and how you are so sure it is not the case.
You have made it clear you do not like Trump at all. That is fine. Many don’t like the man enough they would vote for the crap we are stuck with now. But I respect you for thinking first of what makes this country unique.
Donald Trump can’t destroy this great republic but those that hate him to the point of madness can. The use of federal agencies as a political war machine will erode confidence in freedom enough to do just that. I would make the case that Ginbreath here is a prime example of that. Someone who considers himself to be well educated and smarter than the average bear yet fully invested in this dangerous and destructive action.
(12-13-2022 07:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]The point being made - - which I agree is a horse that has been beaten past death, and is now ready for the glue factory - - is the more-than-justified assumption by many of us that the Mar-a-Lago raid had NO basis in any legitimate claim of "probable cause".
Aside from watching two or three episodes of "Law and Order", I have no claim to expertise in criminal process. But I do have a general sense that American citizens - - even absolute "shitbirds" (your term) like Donald Trump - - have a right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. The fact that my local Commonwealth's Attorney (Virginia's version of a D.A.) may dislike me because I vocally supported his opponent in the last election should not result in my home being raided on trumped-up (pun intended) claims that I am harboring some elicit material - - but not even telling me what that material is suspected to be.
And then when I complain about it, being told that I am not entitled to know what the facts are or who it was that supposedly ratted me out, because it might compromise an active investigation. And then, after the raid is complete, my house in disarray and my reputation in tatters, just let it sit and fester for months - - with no charges to follow.
That may be the way things actually happen in the criminal realm. But if it is, I sure don't like it - - even when wielded against a very deserving target like Donald Trump. For all the sneering being done on this thread, the bottom-line concern, that should be a concern for all Americans regardless of political affiliation, is that Garland, Wray and their team of government thugs have more that proved themselves to be untrustworthy. That is the worst of what was done at Mar-a-Lago. And the fact that four months later still nothing has come of it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
Tom doesn't care. He posts what he's paid to post. I realize that.
But I do still hold out hope for you, tanq. You are smart. You appear to care. And you seem generally to take positions based upon the known facts. Which is why I don't understand your being so invested in this one. I may have missed some of what you've posted, but I don't recall seeing you entertain even the first concern about the possibility that this was nothing more than a politically motivated raid. One that was meant in the short term to steal the pre-election headlines from what was otherwise a wipeout for the Democrats, and in the long term to provoke Donald Trump into jumping into the 2024 fray. I don't know that to be the case, I just suspect that is so. I don't understand why and how you are so sure it is not the case.
You do know they did find exactly what they were looking for, described in the legally obtained warrant, don't you?
And tanq can weigh in here, but I don't believe they have to specifically say in the warrant every item they are looking for in exact detail.
And if you seriously "realize" that I am getting paid to post here by someone, you're a complete moron.
(12-13-2022 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022 07:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]The point being made - - which I agree is a horse that has been beaten past death, and is now ready for the glue factory - - is the more-than-justified assumption by many of us that the Mar-a-Lago raid had NO basis in any legitimate claim of "probable cause".
Aside from watching two or three episodes of "Law and Order", I have no claim to expertise in criminal process. But I do have a general sense that American citizens - - even absolute "shitbirds" (your term) like Donald Trump - - have a right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. The fact that my local Commonwealth's Attorney (Virginia's version of a D.A.) may dislike me because I vocally supported his opponent in the last election should not result in my home being raided on trumped-up (pun intended) claims that I am harboring some elicit material - - but not even telling me what that material is suspected to be.
And then when I complain about it, being told that I am not entitled to know what the facts are or who it was that supposedly ratted me out, because it might compromise an active investigation. And then, after the raid is complete, my house in disarray and my reputation in tatters, just let it sit and fester for months - - with no charges to follow.
That may be the way things actually happen in the criminal realm. But if it is, I sure don't like it - - even when wielded against a very deserving target like Donald Trump. For all the sneering being done on this thread, the bottom-line concern, that should be a concern for all Americans regardless of political affiliation, is that Garland, Wray and their team of government thugs have more that proved themselves to be untrustworthy. That is the worst of what was done at Mar-a-Lago. And the fact that four months later still nothing has come of it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
Tom doesn't care. He posts what he's paid to post. I realize that.
But I do still hold out hope for you, tanq. You are smart. You appear to care. And you seem generally to take positions based upon the known facts. Which is why I don't understand your being so invested in this one. I may have missed some of what you've posted, but I don't recall seeing you entertain even the first concern about the possibility that this was nothing more than a politically motivated raid. One that was meant in the short term to steal the pre-election headlines from what was otherwise a wipeout for the Democrats, and in the long term to provoke Donald Trump into jumping into the 2024 fray. I don't know that to be the case, I just suspect that is so. I don't understand why and how you are so sure it is not the case.
You do know they did find exactly what they were looking for, described in the legally obtained warrant, don't you?
What? His passport? Nuclear secrets? Bomb codes? Or just some “we can’t tell you or we would have to kill ya” secrets?
I don’t care what kind of bullchit was in this warrant until they show us the damn thing and truly explain the whys and what fors. Was it really a great danger to national security? The rest is bullchit for the useful idiots. And it’s obvious they swallowed it whole. Just like the planners of this scheme knew they would.
(12-13-2022 08:12 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022 07:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]The point being made - - which I agree is a horse that has been beaten past death, and is now ready for the glue factory - - is the more-than-justified assumption by many of us that the Mar-a-Lago raid had NO basis in any legitimate claim of "probable cause".
Aside from watching two or three episodes of "Law and Order", I have no claim to expertise in criminal process. But I do have a general sense that American citizens - - even absolute "shitbirds" (your term) like Donald Trump - - have a right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. The fact that my local Commonwealth's Attorney (Virginia's version of a D.A.) may dislike me because I vocally supported his opponent in the last election should not result in my home being raided on trumped-up (pun intended) claims that I am harboring some elicit material - - but not even telling me what that material is suspected to be.
And then when I complain about it, being told that I am not entitled to know what the facts are or who it was that supposedly ratted me out, because it might compromise an active investigation. And then, after the raid is complete, my house in disarray and my reputation in tatters, just let it sit and fester for months - - with no charges to follow.
That may be the way things actually happen in the criminal realm. But if it is, I sure don't like it - - even when wielded against a very deserving target like Donald Trump. For all the sneering being done on this thread, the bottom-line concern, that should be a concern for all Americans regardless of political affiliation, is that Garland, Wray and their team of government thugs have more that proved themselves to be untrustworthy. That is the worst of what was done at Mar-a-Lago. And the fact that four months later still nothing has come of it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
Tom doesn't care. He posts what he's paid to post. I realize that.
But I do still hold out hope for you, tanq. You are smart. You appear to care. And you seem generally to take positions based upon the known facts. Which is why I don't understand your being so invested in this one. I may have missed some of what you've posted, but I don't recall seeing you entertain even the first concern about the possibility that this was nothing more than a politically motivated raid. One that was meant in the short term to steal the pre-election headlines from what was otherwise a wipeout for the Democrats, and in the long term to provoke Donald Trump into jumping into the 2024 fray. I don't know that to be the case, I just suspect that is so. I don't understand why and how you are so sure it is not the case.
You do know they did find exactly what they were looking for, described in the legally obtained warrant, don't you?
What? His passport? Nuclear secrets? Bomb codes? Or just some “we can’t tell you or we would have to kill ya” secrets?
I don’t care what kind of bullchit was in this warrant until they show us the damn thing and truly explain the whys and what fors. Was it really a great danger to national security? The rest is bullchit for the useful idiots. And it’s obvious they swallowed it whole. Just like the planners of this scheme knew they would.
You're all over the ******* map here. And pretty much clueless how any of this works.
1. IIRC, they are allowed to seize the entire contents of a drawer if it contains what they're looking for...even if it included a passport. The non-essential personal stuff is inventoried and then shortly returned as it was here.
2. Bomb codes are changed frequently, if not daily. There would be none there and they would be useless if so.
3. You don't have to have "nuclear secrets" to have stuff you should not have, out of a SCIF, and not properly secured.
4. No, you're not entitled to see an unredacted description of exactly what kind of Classified information they were looking for. That would defeat the damned purpose of it being Classified in the first place. That being said, they were served with this at the time of the search.
You seem to be the only one swallowing here with these media driven assertions of finding bomb codes and nuclear secrets.
And if you don't care what's in a legally obtained warrant, following the Constitution, I don't know what to tell you.
Please tell me that you believe our laws and Constitution should apply equally to everyone, including former presidents?
(12-13-2022 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]You do know they did find exactly what they were looking for, described in the legally obtained warrant, don't you?
No, I don't know that, and neither do you. I know that they have SAID that they did, but then it comes down to whether they are telling the truth or not. And they don't have a great recent track record for honesty or integrity.
On the flip side, it seems to me that if they actually did find what they claim, then they would have a slam dunk conviction, so why have no charges been filed? So either the narrative we have been given is true, in which case there should have been an arrest and trial by now, or it isn't. Which one?
I know that I once received a piece of SECRET mail at my house. I was a nervous wreck until I could drive to the Naval Reserve Center the next morning and turn it over to a facility with proper storage.Had that material been found at my house, with no explanation to get me off the hook, I would ave been arrested and tried and convicted post haste. Those national security guys don't mess around. So why are they in this case?
(12-13-2022 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]You do know they did find exactly what they were looking for, described in the legally obtained warrant, don't you?
If so, Tom, then the question that seems to bother you and others truly does stand: WHY ISN'T HE ARRESTED YET?
You can thank me now for putting a few more pennies into your paid-posting account.
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