(09-05-2022 01:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who claims pride in the legal profession, tanq., you are doing much to disgrace its public image by attempting to whitewash the unjustified misuse of the subpoena privilege.
No different than the medical profession disgracing its profession by publicly supporting Obamacare.
And no different than the teaching profession squandering its image by standing behind a fraud like Randi Weingarten.
Wrong is wrong. It is on you that you insist on defending the indefensible.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
More garbage with zero basis in the first paragraph. More whiny ad hom **** as well.
Nothing more than whiny ad hom crap in the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.
Moral preaching **** coupled with whiny ad hom stuff in the last.
The only thing you prove is that we disagree --
I point to the law and its application as my part of the discussion.
You wave at grandiose comments grounded with zero basis.
And have recently started simple whiny ad homs at how 'terrible' I am because I disagree with you.
Sounds fun. Eat a burger this Labor Day Monday and get your woodie on the subject wound down, and maybe your hard on for me as well.
Seems tanq is pretty invested in this whole situation...
(09-05-2022 01:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Do you b-tch as storm over the thousands, tens of thousands of the other warrants? Or do you save your screech for your demigod DJT?
My demigod DJT? Hah! That’s a laugh.
For someone who took such great offense at my labeling you a progressive, tanq., you sure go to extreme lengths to establish your progressive tendencies.
Yes, my progressive tendencies that I disagree with you on the search and seizure. The crime that I disagree with you. Got it.
Perhaps try to answer the first question and bleep out the second sentence if that helps.
(09-05-2022 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Do you b-tch as storm over the thousands, tens of thousands of the other warrants? Or do you save your screech for your demigod DJT?
My demigod DJT? Hah! That’s a laugh.
For someone who took such great offense at my labeling you a progressive, tanq., you sure go to extreme lengths to establish your progressive tendencies.
Yes, my progressive tendencies that I disagree with you on the search and seizure. The crime that I disagree with you. Got it.
Perhaps try to answer the first question and bleep out the second sentence if that helps.
Nope. Your tendency to be so invested in your own narrative that you would accuse one of the most vocal Trump haters on this forum of treating DJT as a demigod.
I'll save you the time, Tinkles.
Trump still has executive privilege because the judge is saying that it has not been properly revoked, because Biden* does not have supreme power to do that until they get a ruling on it.
(09-05-2022 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]A federal judge (a real one this time) grants Trump motion to appoint a special master.
Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-partl..._lead_pos1
She also grants the former president’s request to assert attorney-client privilege and executive privilege.
She granted the motion to appoint a special master, and granted the motion to temporarily enjoin the DOJ from using the materials in review in a criminal prosecution mode and yet allows the intelligence damage review.
Trump is always able to assert attorney client privilege. The issue of Trump being able to assert executive privilege was not detemined. At least use the source documents, Adopted, as opposed to making some of the stuff up.
In a particular blow to the Justice Department, Judge Cannon ruled that Mr. Trump could assert claims not only of attorney-client privilege, which are available to any suspect, but also executive privilege—that is, a president’s ability to shield internal conversations with his aides. The government had argued that a former president couldn't raise executive privilege claims against the very executive branch whose processes the privilege sought to protect.
The article clearly states the judge ruled in Trump's favor on executive privilege. I havent read the ruling, but that is straight from the article.
I suggest you read the opinion, chuckles.
Look at the part following 'Conclusion'.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/..._order0905
In the body, the judge specifically sidestepped the issue of executive privilege and whether it exists for the documents.
In footnote 16 she specifically notes that she cannot render an opinion on that -- that is reserved by statute for another specifically defined court.
Cut and paste from the order where you are reading what you think you are reading.
PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
Quote:At the same time, Tinkles, you might want to read the part of the order where the judge bent you over on your opinion that Trump waited too long to file the request for a special master. How much money would your bad legal take on that would have cost someone?
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
(09-05-2022 01:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]I'll save you the time, Tinkles.
Trump still has executive privilege because the judge is saying that it has not been properly revoked, because Biden* does not have supreme power to do that until they get a ruling on it.
I see you still havent read the opinion. Good for you.
(09-05-2022 12:33 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]And, now that I’ve gotten all that off of my chest, I only wish that Donald Trump would have the basic sense to keep his stupid mouth shut
But I know what a futile wish that is.
Therein lies his whole problem. It’s an impossible task for DJT even with the wind at his back blowing his sails.
I think he must’ve never had someone put a fist in his mouth when he was growing up. I see it all the time with these younger adults. They spew their mouths without any regard for others. Mike Tyson is spot on identifying it.
My generation used fists to settle scores and keep people in check. You still had the right to do or say whatever but you also knew there could be consequences for your behavior and it didn’t require the US legal system to figure it out.
(09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]In a particular blow to the Justice Department, Judge Cannon ruled that Mr. Trump could assert claims not only of attorney-client privilege, which are available to any suspect, but also executive privilege—that is, a president’s ability to shield internal conversations with his aides. The government had argued that a former president couldn't raise executive privilege claims against the very executive branch whose processes the privilege sought to protect.
The article clearly states the judge ruled in Trump's favor on executive privilege. I havent read the ruling, but that is straight from the article.
I suggest you read the opinion, chuckles.
Look at the part following 'Conclusion'.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/..._order0905
In the body, the judge specifically sidestepped the issue of executive privilege and whether it exists for the documents.
In footnote 16 she specifically notes that she cannot render an opinion on that -- that is reserved by statute for another specifically defined court.
Cut and paste from the order where you are reading what you think you are reading.
PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
Quote:At the same time, Tinkles, you might want to read the part of the order where the judge bent you over on your opinion that Trump waited too long to file the request for a special master. How much money would your bad legal take on that would have cost someone?
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
(09-05-2022 01:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:33 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]And, now that I’ve gotten all that off of my chest, I only wish that Donald Trump would have the basic sense to keep his stupid mouth shut
But I know what a futile wish that is.
Therein lies his whole problem. It’s an impossible task for DJT even with the wind at his back blowing his sails.
I think he must’ve never had someone put a fist in his mouth when he was growing up. I see it all the time with these younger adults. They spew their mouths without any regard for others. Mike Tyson is spot on identifying it.
My generation used fists to settle scores and keep people in check. You still had the right to do or say whatever but you also knew there could be consequences for your behavior and it didn’t require the US legal system to figure it out.
This is an excellent point. I was a mouthy kid growing up. (Yeah, I know, it’s returned I’m my senior years.) When I hit the 4th grade, the older and bigger kid across the street got sick of hearing me, and promised to pop me in the mouth if I said another word at the bus stop or on the bus. It took a few hits, and one lost fight, for me to learn to knock off the offending patter.
I didn’t appreciate it at the time. But decades later it occurred to me that he actually did me a favor in teaching me that lesson early in life.
(09-05-2022 01:23 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]I'll save you the time, Tinkles.
Trump still has executive privilege because the judge is saying that it has not been properly revoked, because Biden* does not have supreme power to do that until they get a ruling on it.
I see you still havent read the opinion. Good for you.
Actually I have.
Do you charge your clients when you lie in the floor and flail, or do they get that part ProBono?
(09-05-2022 01:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:33 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]And, now that I’ve gotten all that off of my chest, I only wish that Donald Trump would have the basic sense to keep his stupid mouth shut
But I know what a futile wish that is.
Therein lies his whole problem. It’s an impossible task for DJT even with the wind at his back blowing his sails.
I think he must’ve never had someone put a fist in his mouth when he was growing up. I see it all the time with these younger adults. They spew their mouths without any regard for others. Mike Tyson is spot on identifying it.
My generation used fists to settle scores and keep people in check. You still had the right to do or say whatever but you also knew there could be consequences for your behavior and it didn’t require the US legal system to figure it out.
Are you calling Trump a younger adult?
(09-05-2022 01:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]I suggest you read the opinion, chuckles.
Look at the part following 'Conclusion'.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/..._order0905
In the body, the judge specifically sidestepped the issue of executive privilege and whether it exists for the documents.
In footnote 16 she specifically notes that she cannot render an opinion on that -- that is reserved by statute for another specifically defined court.
Cut and paste from the order where you are reading what you think you are reading.
PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
Quote:At the same time, Tinkles, you might want to read the part of the order where the judge bent you over on your opinion that Trump waited too long to file the request for a special master. How much money would your bad legal take on that would have cost someone?
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
Here's the words of the opinion that you decided NOT to read.
The law states that Trump is allowed the exercise executive privilege even if the current sh*tbag disagrees. Therefore, Biden* can not revoke Trump's privilege. With that being the case, Trump still inherently has executive privilege until it is ruled in a court of law that he does not.
Since that hasnt happened yet, they must proceed as if Trump has privilege.
flail even harder now...
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(09-05-2022 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Cut and paste from the order where you are reading what you think you are reading.
PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
Quote:At the same time, Tinkles, you might want to read the part of the order where the judge bent you over on your opinion that Trump waited too long to file the request for a special master. How much money would your bad legal take on that would have cost someone?
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
Here's the words of the opinion that you decided NOT to read.
The law states that Trump is allowed the exercise executive privilege even if the current sh*tbag disagrees. Therefore, Biden* can not revoke Trump's privilege. With that being the case, Trump still inherently has executive privilege until it is ruled in a court of law that he does not.
Since that hasnt happened yet, they must proceed as if Trump has privilege.
flail even harder now...
lol---looks like our resident knower of all facts and all things legal was wrong yet again---just like the idiot "legal experts" on MSNBC have been for years. Some folks are just so emotionally irrational when it comes to Trump---they immediately believe most anything if it fits their narrative.
(09-05-2022 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
Here's the words of the opinion that you decided NOT to read.
The law states that Trump is allowed the exercise executive privilege even if the current sh*tbag disagrees. Therefore, Biden* can not revoke Trump's privilege. With that being the case, Trump still inherently has executive privilege until it is ruled in a court of law that he does not.
Since that hasnt happened yet, they must proceed as if Trump has privilege.
flail even harder now...
lol---looks like our resident knower of all facts and all things legal was wrong yet again---just like the idiot "legal experts" on MSNBC have been for years. Some folks are just so emotionally irrational when it comes to Trump---they immediately believe most anything if it fits their narrative.
He's put me on ignore, so it likely means he has reread the opinion and found his error on the executive privilege. Its amazing how bad of a disease TDS really is.
(09-05-2022 02:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
Here's the words of the opinion that you decided NOT to read.
The law states that Trump is allowed the exercise executive privilege even if the current sh*tbag disagrees. Therefore, Biden* can not revoke Trump's privilege. With that being the case, Trump still inherently has executive privilege until it is ruled in a court of law that he does not.
Since that hasnt happened yet, they must proceed as if Trump has privilege.
flail even harder now...
lol---looks like our resident knower of all facts and all things legal was wrong yet again---just like the idiot "legal experts" on MSNBC have been for years. Some folks are just so emotionally irrational when it comes to Trump---they immediately believe most anything if it fits their narrative.
He's put me on ignore, so it likely means he has reread the opinion and found his error on the executive privilege. Its amazing how bad of a disease TDS really is.
If he figures out he is wrong, there is still hope for him. Most never can.
(09-05-2022 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 01:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]PDF I linked is of the 'pic' variety, not an embedded doc. I suggest you read it Chuckles.
If you bothered with an iota of reading ability, she said that the delay was not enough to not appoint the master. My comment is that Trump's legal team were idiots for waiting that long. Not that it would be fatal. Idiots <> fatal to a motion, chuckles.
If they wanted to stop the documents from being used by or exposed to the investigation team -- they should have filed this the day after the raid. That was my point.
If you read the conclusion, she enjoined use of the documents in the criminal prep of the case. Would have been much better having that on Aug 11 instead of Sept 5.
My take on getting the motion for a special master on track in the first few days would have meant stopping the analysis of the DOJ dead in its tracks before three more weeks passed and they already had them processed.
Leave it to the 3rd grade special needs reader that you are to not bother with recognizing that issue that I noted explicitly, and seemingly render into something else entirely. Fun, fun, fun.
flail harder.....
I love it -- I use the words in the opinion, you simply spout 'flail harder'. What a fktard.
Brainless shitbird going on ignore......
Here's the words of the opinion that you decided NOT to read.
The law states that Trump is allowed the exercise executive privilege even if the current sh*tbag disagrees. Therefore, Biden* can not revoke Trump's privilege. With that being the case, Trump still inherently has executive privilege until it is ruled in a court of law that he does not.
Since that hasnt happened yet, they must proceed as if Trump has privilege.
flail even harder now...
lol---looks like our resident knower of all facts and all things legal was wrong yet again---just like the idiot "legal experts" on MSNBC have been for years. Some folks are just so emotionally irrational when it comes to Trump---they immediately believe most anything if it fits their narrative.
"emotionally irrational when it comes to Trump"
That's it in a Nut Shell, nothing more or less.