(04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
(04-26-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
Listen to science....
Will you take some time to listen to real front line doctors? Not the media, politicians, and ivory tower academic medical people.
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU
(04-26-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
(Bolded) Adults aren't even doing it now. I went to a big box home improvement store yesterday and it was PACKED. It felt like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, almost every register open, no limitations on how many could enter the store, people rarely making an effort to social distance (except when standing in line to check out), only about 10 people (out of hundreds) in the entire store (not including employees) wearing a mask. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, what I'm saying is I think the PEOPLE are deciding how they want to live, and it's not how the media, politicians or business leaders are trying to tell them.
(04-26-2020 01:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
(Bolded) Adults aren't even doing it now. I went to a big box home improvement store yesterday and it was PACKED. It felt like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, almost every register open, no limitations on how many could enter the store, people rarely making an effort to social distance (except when standing in line to check out), only about 10 people (out of hundreds) in the entire store (not including employees) wearing a mask. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, what I'm saying is I think the PEOPLE are deciding how they want to live, and it's not how the media, politicians or business leaders are trying to tell them.
Maybe if science had a little better track record on this, people might be more inclined to listen.
However, most informed people are looking around and saying that this aint what we were told it was going to be and are venturing back out into the world again... and surviving.
College kids are some of the least at risk among us. If grandpa prof is uncomfortable then they can wear their mask and make a 6 ft no fly zone at the front of the room to protect themselves... or send a grad student to teach like most of them do anyway.
(04-26-2020 01:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
Listen to science....
Will you take some time to listen to real front line doctors? Not the media, politicians, and ivory tower academic medical people.
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU
You should tell those guys to stop saying the quiet parts out loud. it'll make their message more credible (although some of those Ivory Tower Academic types already have an issue with the sampling they used to make their case).
(04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
Yep. I think college football will be played and my guess is fan attendance policies will be determined at a later day.
Several additional studies this week in other states seem to corroborate the findings of the one a Stanford team completed two weeks ago in the San Jose area, namely, that infections were much more widespread than originally estimated but many, many more cases were asymptomatic or with only mild symptoms. So the initial death rate projections appear to have been exponentially overstated by some sources which many in the media were all too eager to trumpet. There are plenty of experts out there--I'm not one. But a fair number of those experts are at odds now over these matters too.
Even in the absence of a vaccine, we will need to protect those at risk. But the full shutdown mode can't continue for another 12-18 months or more.
(04-26-2020 03:24 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
Yep. I think college football will be played and my guess is fan attendance policies will be determined at a later day.
Several additional studies this week in other states seem to corroborate the findings of the one a Stanford team completed two weeks ago in the San Jose area, namely, that infections were much more widespread than originally estimated but many, many more cases were asymptomatic or with only mild symptoms. So the initial death rate projections appear to have been exponentially overstated by some sources which many in the media were all too eager to trumpet. There are plenty of experts out there--I'm not one. But a fair number of those experts are at odds now over these matters too.
Even in the absence of a vaccine, we will need to protect those at risk. But the full shutdown mode can't continue for another 12-18 months or more.
I don't think anyone is saying we fill will be in full shutdown for the next year and to be honest we never made it that far in Ohio or the rest of the nation. The thing is college sports with fans will be the last thing to come back. Honestly education probably should be online next term as things that you can do remote will take priority over trying to attempt to navigate bringing students back to campus. There are just too many risk factors to considered and way too many constituency to satisfy to make college football work this fall. There are going enough challenges getting pro sports back but those challenges for college sports are almost impossible to overcome.
Do you play games if students and faculty are not on campus. What happens if certain schools won't play. What happens if a player gets sick? Where do you play the games? How do you travel to games? How would the post season work? What happens if there is another major outbreak? What about the staff needed to run these sports. What about officiating? What happens if certain players don't want to play under these conditions? Do you just bring back football or all fall sports?
The issues in pro sports tend to boil down whatever is in the collective bargaining agreement between the league and its players. They can play in empty arenas or stadiums in only a few cities, colleges can't realistically do that. Professionals can also bargain for their wages and safety based on this crisis, college students can't do that either.
I would love to see the Bearcats on the field but I am not going put money on it right now and UC shouldn't expect fans to renew season tickets either.
(04-26-2020 09:05 PM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020 12:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]Nebraska announced that it will be opening campus up for Fall semester. And as you can read from this article, so have many other schools including P5 North Carolina State, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wake Forest.
There are many schools that are quoted as "leaning" towards opening in for the Fall semester, including that school in Columbus.
If students are on campus, you can bet football will be played.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s...es-/248626
I have no idea how this can be done without a vaccine. Is Covid-19 just going to go away in four months? This looks a disaster because I doubt college students will social distance and wear a mask, let alone maintain good hygiene. Will faculty and staff be on board with this? I just don't understand why we as a society continue to rush opening up things without carefully thought out coordination across the country. Listen to science, not politicians or business leaders.
Here’s some science...
[url=https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation]The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation[/url]
If I didn't know better, I'd swear that I wrote this.
Somebody better tell
Stanford that they've got a "headslappingly stupid, lost in the woods, strawman moron"
MD on their hands.
Heck, he even goes one better than me. Locking everyone down and practicing social distancing is prolonging the problem by preventing the herd immunity from kicking in.
As I am not one of those "I'm right, you're wrong/I'm smart, You're stupid" types that have been telling me there is NO WAY anything I'd been saying could be right, I'm not going to go around taking a victory lap and shoving it in people's faces.
Well...
maybe a little bit.
But what I actually felt while reading it was anger. This was ALL SO UNNECESSARY.
This was a knee jerk reaction based on "hypothetical" projections and it pi$$es me off 1) how quick and seemingly
eager the state government locked everything up, 2) how
grossly incompetent our health department is and 3) how
willing a vast portion of our population was to just sit back and let this happen.
As Ronald Reagan famously said, "
The scariest words in the english language are... I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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(04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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Consensus science is always wrong with many people. It's the random outliers that support their preconceived positions that really get it.
BTW. This is unique in that we are learning a lot right now (there is no real consensus yet). It's not fully developed. Data is constantly changing. What is obvious is that this thing spread likes crazy. We've lost 50,000 lives in month while taking unprecedented action to limit the spread. You'd think that would be worrisome. Instead it's proof everyone was wrong about their fears for many.
(04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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I can say the same thing about you.
Please point out where he is wrong. This guy's going by data. Unlike Amy Acton who goes by fairy tales.
(04-27-2020 08:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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Consensus science is always wrong with many people. It's the random outliers that support their preconceived positions that really get it.
BTW. This is unique in that we are learning a lot right now (there is no real consensus yet). It's not fully developed. Data is constantly changing. What is obvious is that this thing spread likes crazy. We've lost 50,000 lives in month while taking unprecedented action to limit the spread. You'd think that would be worrisome. Instead it's proof everyone was wrong about their fears for many.
Please see fact #5 in the article.
Or don't. I mean this guy is only an MD at Stanford. What does he know?
One of my Aunts passed away from Covid-19 last Thursday night. One of the worst aspects of this Virus is that she died alone.
(04-27-2020 08:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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I can say the same thing about you.
Please point out where he is wrong. This guy's going by data. Unlike Amy Acton who goes by fairy tales.
Not really. The article is mostly just the same talking points being parroted by you.
(04-27-2020 09:22 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]One of my Aunts passed away from Covid-19 last Thursday night. One of the worst aspects of this Virus is that she died alone.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
(04-27-2020 09:22 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]One of my Aunts passed away from Covid-19 last Thursday night. One of the worst aspects of this Virus is that she died alone.
My sympathies go out to you, Loco.
If you wouldn't mind sharing, I think we could all benefit from your first hand knowledge. Perhaps her demographics and how it is you know/suspect she contracted it?
I'm not trying to pry. I am the first to admit that I don't know everything and would be interested in learning from anything you're willing to share.
(04-27-2020 09:28 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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I can say the same thing about you.
Please point out where he is wrong. This guy's going by data. Unlike Amy Acton who goes by fairy tales.
Not really. The article is mostly just the same talking points being parroted by you.
I said what I said prior to this article. That's not parroting.
I know, it's hard to face facts.
(04-27-2020 09:28 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020 08:41 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]So just to be clear, "science" has been horribly wrong about Covid-19, except this one doctor I found who happens to believe the same crap I believe.
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I can say the same thing about you.
Please point out where he is wrong. This guy's going by data. Unlike Amy Acton who goes by fairy tales.
Not really. The article is mostly just the same talking points being parroted by you.
The author of that op ed, Dr. Scott Atlas, is a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, which is a free market think tank. He's also a neuroradiologist. And the Santa Clara study that he cites has come under scrutiny, to say the least. His article also looks only at deaths, without noting that like 40+% of ICU patients in the US are under 65.
We do need to figure out how we move forward here. But without massive testing, reopening now would be reckless.
