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(05-03-2020 09:48 AM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]...and...in breaking news, which I'm certain will horrify a lot of snowflakes and pantywaists...we have NO CURE for DEATH!!!!!

Better go hide.

So vaccines for polio, measles, many other illness are stupid because one day you're going to die anyways?

We should stop treating those with cancer because one day they'll die?

Our efforts to prevent death from aids is stupid too?

Throw around the snowflake term all you want, but trying to limit the death and suffering from a once in a lifetime type virus isn't some crazy position. Everyone understands there is risk in life. We also understand that efforts are consistently and rightfully made to mitigate risk. Just because everyone will ultimately die doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.
(05-03-2020 01:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 09:48 AM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]...and...in breaking news, which I'm certain will horrify a lot of snowflakes and pantywaists...we have NO CURE for DEATH!!!!!

Better go hide.

So vaccines for polio, measles, many other illness are stupid because one day you're going to die anyways?

We should stop treating those with cancer because one day they'll die?

Our efforts to prevent death from aids is stupid too?

Throw around the snowflake term all you want, but trying to limit the death and suffering from a once in a lifetime type virus isn't some crazy position. Everyone understands there is risk in life. We also understand that efforts are consistently and rightfully made to mitigate risk. Just because everyone will ultimately die doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.

Basically poking fun at the idea that medical science can prevent our ultimate demise. Not demeaning the treatment of disease as this robs the healthy of their normal time on the planet. But I honestly think a lot of snowflakes think it's possible to live a life absent risk...and this, of course, is nonsense.
(05-03-2020 10:22 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]All these models that were presented were worst case scenario given no measures were taken to restrict movement. There were also projections of what would happen with strong lockdown policy. Those have been more accurate, but it doesn't make this any less real. Unfortunately, some of us will never take this seriously until it becomes personal and not something that only happens to people we deem expendable, like old folks and people who live in third world conditions and slums.

Keep an eye on Sweden and Iowa - they exist as controls as neither really implemented any significant mandatory lockdown measures. Both are experiencing a much higher mortality rate than their neighbors.

Mortality rate or infection rate?
(05-03-2020 01:42 PM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 10:22 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]All these models that were presented were worst case scenario given no measures were taken to restrict movement. There were also projections of what would happen with strong lockdown policy. Those have been more accurate, but it doesn't make this any less real. Unfortunately, some of us will never take this seriously until it becomes personal and not something that only happens to people we deem expendable, like old folks and people who live in third world conditions and slums.

Keep an eye on Sweden and Iowa - they exist as controls as neither really implemented any significant mandatory lockdown measures. Both are experiencing a much higher mortality rate than their neighbors.

Mortality rate or infection rate?
Both are important I would assume.
From my little research, the Coronavirus vaccine will be much more like the influenza vaccines (yearly flu shot) instead of the vaccines that were able to eradicate a disease like Polio. I’m no scientist though, but makes sense to me since this thing mutates a lot like the different flu strains.

Ala the 19 after COVID.
(05-03-2020 01:41 PM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 01:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 09:48 AM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]...and...in breaking news, which I'm certain will horrify a lot of snowflakes and pantywaists...we have NO CURE for DEATH!!!!!

Better go hide.

So vaccines for polio, measles, many other illness are stupid because one day you're going to die anyways?

We should stop treating those with cancer because one day they'll die?

Our efforts to prevent death from aids is stupid too?

Throw around the snowflake term all you want, but trying to limit the death and suffering from a once in a lifetime type virus isn't some crazy position. Everyone understands there is risk in life. We also understand that efforts are consistently and rightfully made to mitigate risk. Just because everyone will ultimately die doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.

Basically poking fun at the idea that medical science can prevent our ultimate demise. Not demeaning the treatment of disease as this robs the healthy of their normal time on the planet. But I honestly think a lot of snowflakes think it's possible to live a life absent risk...and this, of course, is nonsense.

Can someone please tell me what snowflake means? Or is this just the older generation telling us how tough they are compared to the younger generation. Which is such a tired and inane trope.
(05-03-2020 06:44 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone please tell me what snowflake means? Or is this just the older generation telling us how tough they are compared to the younger generation. Which is such a tired and inane trope.

Quote:Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions. Common usages include the terms special snowflake, Generation Snowflake, and snowflake as a politicized insult.
I want to take this topic back to sports. What happens with MLB this summer is going to go a long way in shaping the sports landscape for the next two years. If they play and have to shutdown I think college sports are DOA for the year, if they find a model that works then we can build off of that.

From a UC perspective, I would be looking at all my options including trying to join the MAC as temporary member for the upcoming year. Travel would be a lot easier and most of the schools are in Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan which are all coordinating together in some respect. A scheduling alliance with the MAC and Big Ten could work if sports gets green lighted.

The following year in sports in going to be messy at best and at worst cancelled. I don't see how the AAC works for UC due to geographic sprawl. I miss sports too but we seemingly jumped a few stages in the reopening guidelines which leads to a lot uncertainty in how everything will be in August. I keep thinking MLB will try to play this year and that they will be litmus test for all things sports.
(05-03-2020 06:48 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 06:44 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone please tell me what snowflake means? Or is this just the older generation telling us how tough they are compared to the younger generation. Which is such a tired and inane trope.

Quote:Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions. Common usages include the terms special snowflake, Generation Snowflake, and snowflake as a politicized insult.

03-lmfao thanks 92.
What I am worried about football wise, is the start, then have to stop scenario. I would rather they don't even start til Spring, rather than having a pause. I think the Cats are going to be really special this year, especially on defense. The kids will have to be back by July, to begin organized weight training to have any hope for a Fall start.
(05-03-2020 07:17 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ]What I am worried about football wise, is the start, then have to stop scenario. I would rather they don't even start til Spring, rather than having a pause. I think the Cats are going to be really special this year, especially on defense. The kids will have to be back by July, to begin organized weight training to have any hope for a Fall start.

I still think only 9 or 10 games should be played with no bye weeks.this allows a month delay in starting practice and starting the season. This let’s all conference games to be played and perhaps one or two non conference games. The few Indy teams may have to scramble but since that is ND, UConn, Army, Liberty, BYU, UMass and NM they can play each other twice if needed.
(05-03-2020 08:05 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 07:17 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ]What I am worried about football wise, is the start, then have to stop scenario. I would rather they don't even start til Spring, rather than having a pause. I think the Cats are going to be really special this year, especially on defense. The kids will have to be back by July, to begin organized weight training to have any hope for a Fall start.

I still think only 9 or 10 games should be played with no bye weeks.this allows a month delay in starting practice and starting the season. This let’s all conference games to be played and perhaps one or two non conference games. The few Indy teams may have to scramble but since that is ND, UConn, Army, Liberty, BYU, UMass and NM they can play each other twice if needed.

Many options are on the table right now and I think that's a good thing. You don't want to back into a corner if you don't have to...

Quote:Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, no one is quite sure when the 2020 college football season will start up.

Could it start in September as scheduled? Yes. Could it start in March? Also yes. There are a number of different options being discussed at the moment.

On Friday, Kansas State AD Gene Taylor revealed that there are 7 main options being discussed by the Big 12 (via Kansas.com):

Kansas State athletic director Gene Taylor says the Big 12 is currently discussing seven primary options for the upcoming football season, and he outlined them during a conversation on Friday.

- Starting the season as scheduled in early September
- Starting the season in late September and ending games in December
- Starting the season in October and playing a conference-only schedule
- Starting the season in September and playing a conference-only schedule
- Waiting until 2021 and starting the season in January
- Waiting until 2021 and starting the season in March
- Splitting up the season with six games in the fall and six games in the spring

Taylor thinks all seven options are on the table right now, but he is more optimistic about certain plans than others. He said starting the season on time “is going to be a long shot.”

Now that we’ve turned our calendars to May, there could be some bigger decisions being made about the 2020 season. Stay tuned, because when things happen, they could start to happen fast.

There Will Be A College Football Season
After spending the weekend in Gatlinburg its clear to me that the general public is ready for real life to begin again. About 50% of the restaurants were open with social distancing between tables. Those still closed had signs stating they were hiring - so available employees is an issue. Management made a good effort with a "show" for keeping things clean. Disposable menus, little packs of salt and pepper, even plastic silverware at one place. But they still had tons of impulse product near the cashier that people touched and put back down - just like the grocery store - that will never get sanitized.

One restaurant that had a bar was not allowed to have people at the bar, but openly served people sitting waiting on a table. Six feet was a joke strolling through the downtown streets as folks lined up for food and retailers just as before. Mask wearers were less than 10%. Obesity was a far bigger problem than any virus. Long lines for funnel cakes, corn dogs, and deep fried Oreos.

Plenty of smiles. A lots of chat about being so thankful to get out of the house and back to real life. My smile was knowing that I spent my stimulus money in a State that stepped forward out of the fear. There were so many folks from Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana filling the Tennessee coffers. Saw many C-paws and even some FCC gear.

So will the states start competing to open first, or continue to plunge their residents into further poverty?
Cabin fever has set in across the nation. Californians defied their governor by heading back to the beaches this weekend. We spent several hours at Fernbank Park (Hamilton County Parks) Saturday and it was packed. As crowded as it was, people were very cognizant of social distancing and except for what appeared to be nuclear families together on the lawns (who would be together all the time now indoors anyway) it was a much needed diversion.

If hot weather and the new levels of precaution keep dangerous infections in states that are opening this week at levels commensurate with the March/April shutdown, I believe college football will return for the fall.
(05-04-2020 08:57 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ]Cabin fever has set in across the nation. Californians defied their governor by heading back to the beaches this weekend. We spent several hours at Fernbank Park (Hamilton County Parks) Saturday and it was packed. As crowded as it was, people were very cognizant of social distancing and except for what appeared to be nuclear families together on the lawns (who would be together all the time now indoors anyway) it was a much needed diversion.

If hot weather and the new levels of precaution keep dangerous infections in states that are opening this week at levels commensurate with the March/April shutdown, I believe college football will return for the fall.

Generally when I've had to go places this has been my experience. People making an effort to social distance. Good weather with some outdoor parks is a nice way to do that , have a kind of normal experience and still try to distance in a way that helps protect against the spread.

We're tracking toward 100,000 dead accord to the Trump Administration's latest. The death and spread rate hasn't been declining significantly, but it seems to be moving in the right direction. As it continues to do so we'll see more things open and be less boxed in, but there will be real precautions put in place and hopefully people will continue to be cognizant of others when we do things.
It really doesn't require any mathematical modeling to realize 100,000 deaths is very, very likely in a short matter of time.

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From everything I’ve read lately two things seem to be true:

-1- The death rate is nowhere near the original 2-3%. It’s likely below 1%, possibly well below that. Good news.

-2- The rate of spread is much higher than originally thought. So many people have been walking around with no symptoms that we had no idea they were ever sick. Bad news.

So it has a high R0 and low mortality. It could be worse.
Unfortunately, many of the threats in the past several decades, such as SARs, West Nile, Ebola, etc all had hire mortality rates but were far easier to contain and subsequently eradicate. Hence why I've repeatedly stated that a lower mortality rate than has been reported may not be a good thing, in the grand scheme of things.

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(05-03-2020 06:44 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 01:41 PM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 01:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2020 09:48 AM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]...and...in breaking news, which I'm certain will horrify a lot of snowflakes and pantywaists...we have NO CURE for DEATH!!!!!

Better go hide.

So vaccines for polio, measles, many other illness are stupid because one day you're going to die anyways?

We should stop treating those with cancer because one day they'll die?

Our efforts to prevent death from aids is stupid too?

Throw around the snowflake term all you want, but trying to limit the death and suffering from a once in a lifetime type virus isn't some crazy position. Everyone understands there is risk in life. We also understand that efforts are consistently and rightfully made to mitigate risk. Just because everyone will ultimately die doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.

Basically poking fun at the idea that medical science can prevent our ultimate demise. Not demeaning the treatment of disease as this robs the healthy of their normal time on the planet. But I honestly think a lot of snowflakes think it's possible to live a life absent risk...and this, of course, is nonsense.

Can someone please tell me what snowflake means? Or is this just the older generation telling us how tough they are compared to the younger generation. Which is such a tired and inane trope.

My favorite part of the stupid trope is that the older generation using it tend to overlook who the parents of these "snowflakes" are. Who gave them all those alleged participation trophies and coddled them. Even if it were true, they're only insulting themselves.
(05-03-2020 04:37 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: [ -> ]From my little research, the Coronavirus vaccine will be much more like the influenza vaccines (yearly flu shot) instead of the vaccines that were able to eradicate a disease like Polio. I’m no scientist though, but makes sense to me since this thing mutates a lot like the different flu strains.

[b]Ala the 19 after COVID.[/b]

Hate to jump in just for technicalities but I do think that it is important to realized that the #19 associated with the name is due to it being discovered in 2019 it has nothing to do with the number of strains. Novel means new. This is a novel virus strain.

*Also yes I think there will be a season. Though the bowl season may likely be canceled.
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