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(05-12-2020 10:58 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

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(05-12-2020 09:54 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

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(05-12-2020 09:36 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Fauci testifying before congress today. Talked about multiple vaccines in clinical trials right now. Mentioned that it's possible to have a vaccine in commission by the fall (September/October) if things go well. Important to note his group at NIH is involved with one of said vaccines

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Roy mentioned this morning that we probably should not put too much reliance on a vaccine. He noted that Aids has been around for 35 years and still no vaccine.

Who?

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Avik Roy, makes a very strong case for the Sweden/German model.

Germany went into a much stricter lockdown than Sweden and their death rate is 3 times lower than Sweden. We can't truly replicate the Sweden/German model as they have a superior health care system than us, Universal Health Care. They have decentralized Universal Health Care which puts Healthcare first and profits second, which is the opposite of what we do. They are also healthier, they have more regulations on Pollution and they have banned certain food additives and chemicals that cause cancer which has lead to much lower rates of comorbidity. I love how Conservatives now want us to be like Germany or Sweden.

You say " I love how Conservatives now want us to be like Germany or Sweden." Can you name one? As a card carrying Goldwater/Reagan Conservative I sure as hell am not nor do I know any wanting anything that like Sweden.

Sweden isn't doing well. It's death rate is dramatically higher than Norway/Finland/Denmark.

(05-12-2020 01:07 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]You say " I love how Conservatives now want us to be like Germany or Sweden." Can you name one? As a card carrying Goldwater/Reagan Conservative I sure as hell am not nor do I know any wanting anything that like Sweden.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6151735635001#sp=show-clips

Was featured on Laura Ingraham not too long ago. Though, in fairness, Laura isn't a conservative so much as she's just a full blown con-artist.

Playing devil's advocate, is it possible Sweden will experience more deaths/infections the first few months of this, but will end up with similar rates overall after a year or two?

(05-12-2020 01:11 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Sweden isn't doing well. It's death rate is dramatically higher than Norway/Finland/Denmark.

Oh, you must be the lawyer that likes to play the "Gotcha" game. Well 2 can play @ that game.

Sweden's death's per million are also lower than that of Italy, Spain, France, the UK and about 1/5th of NYC. Gotcha. S Korea didn't shut down and their death rate is lower than the US. Gotcha.

See- the Gotcha game is so STUPID. Yet everyone likes to play the gotcha game. 8 weeks of the darn gotcha game from people on both sides. This is why I don't have a political party-- so I can point out the idiocy on both sides without someone claiming I'm biased. I am biased though-- against idiot politicians. Full disclosure. I will admit that I think 98% of politicians are self serving, narcissistic butts who only care about themselves and pretend to care about the common people as long as that helps them get elected.

So if any of my biases are showing-- feel free to point them out. If any of my facts are wrong, feel free to point them out. I actually do appreciate it when someone can correct me as I don't want to spread false information. I try to stay up to date with the actual truth, but we all realize that the media doesn't really do Truth anymore- just agenda.


Facts.

50% of deaths in Sweden were in nursing homes, and another 25% were from people who were receiving @ home care. 75% of their deaths went to people who literally don't leave home. Sweden failed to protect their elderly.

We can also acknowledge that Cuomo sending sick patients back into nursing homes in March killed alot of people and thus increased the death rate. I think 80% of the deaths in Minnesota are from people in nursing homes.

Lower death's per millions in countries are attributed to those Countries who did a better job protecting their elderly, with a small % due to quality of care, and overall health of society. But still-- the key is keeping this out of nursing homes.

This is a complex issue with a multiple # of factors that can vary by Country. It's not as simple as saying- oh, someone didn't shut down, and someone did. It is just a lazy argument to be honest.

I'm not saying Sweden was right or wrong. They did some things right, but like some Countries-- they failed miserably when protecting the aged.

(05-12-2020 02:54 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Playing devil's advocate, is it possible Sweden will experience more deaths/infections the first few months of this, but will end up with similar rates overall after a year or two?

I’d say that’s a fair assumption. Remember we are “flattening” the curve not eradicating the virus. Unless we magically develop a vaccine or effective treatment within the timeframe- the results will be the same just the timeline is drawn out. Area under the curve will remain the same.

(05-12-2020 02:54 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Playing devil's advocate, is it possible Sweden will experience more deaths/infections the first few months of this, but will end up with similar rates overall after a year or two?

Their death rate will drop, only because a higher % of their healthy population will have gotten the disease, and thus won't die from the disease; making the overall death rate lower.

That said, and since no one will read my long arse reply--- Sweden's death rate is currently high because they failed to protect their high risk, elderly population. That will skew their data, and like I said, the only way to offset that high death rate, is to have the disease spread to more younger, healthy people who won't die from it.

The other benefit to Sweden is that if a 2nd wave does hit-- they are closer to herd immunity than most other Countries, so as long as they protect the high risk people, then can continue on with their lives.

(05-12-2020 03:25 PM)ladeda Wrote: [ -> ]Their death rate will drop, only because a higher % of their healthy population will have gotten the disease, and thus won't die from the disease; making the overall death rate lower.

I don't follow

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(05-12-2020 11:34 AM)rosewater Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 11:14 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty irrelevant anyways. We already shut down for the 1.5 months and there's not exactly a Sweden model to follow, even if there was evidence that Sweden was effectively combating the virus (there isn't, they have higher infection and mortality rates than surrounding Nordic countries and their elderly populations still suffered as a result).



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It is very relevant. There is talk to carry on in the same manner for years. And When Sweden's mortality
and infection rates dip below ours, we may not be kicking ourselves for ignoring facts for political reasons.

You probably will be correct and my main argument is that Sweden is a healthier nation than ours, and therefore will most likely have a lower mortality rate than us in the end. I believe we should be reopening responsibly and that we all take Covid-19 seriously, I already lost 1 Family member to this Virus. I understand where you are coming from Rosewater and I have enjoyed this dicussion, take care and be well.

I keep hearing about how Sweden will be ahead when it comes to herd immunity. The problem with that is a) they'll need to test a much larger segment of population to actually confirm the percentage of population that has antibodies and is thus immune b) Sweden has been touted as having built-in cultural protections such as low population density and having a high percentage of people living alone and may not be exposed en masse like in more densely populated areas and c) there is the possibility and concern that there are multiple strains of this virus and that having antibodies for one doesn't necessarily protect you from the others.

I don't think anyone has enough information to be able to claim if and when herd immunity will be in effect.

Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

I seem to recall UC saying it needed to sell 45-50,000 tickets at PBS to justify playing a game there.

(05-12-2020 12:04 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 11:19 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 11:14 AM)converrl Wrote: [ -> ]Please tell me which conservatives are pushing socialized medicine. List the names.

Literally the guy who is being talked about in the posts you quoted. He's advocating for the "Sweden model". That model is inextricably tied to their health care system.

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I agree Cataclysmo , plus Fox News and many Conservative Writers have been pushing this narrative.

None of you have listed a single CONSERVATIVE who is pushing socialized medicine.

(05-12-2020 10:35 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

I seem to recall UC saying it needed to sell 45-50,000 tickets at PBS to justify playing a game there.

I think I may have heard that some time ago. However, I thought during the 2015 season that those figures had been adjusted.

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

That’s an interesting concept. Even if UC is at a variance in revenue, it’s still better than the cataclysmic loss by not playing this season at all.

(05-13-2020 04:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

That’s an interesting concept. Even if UC is at a variance in revenue, it’s still better than the cataclysmic loss by not playing this season at all.

I am not going to pay $5k for two crappy PBS seats. The Club Seats at PBS suck compared to those at Nippert IMHO.

(05-13-2020 04:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

That’s an interesting concept. Even if UC is at a variance in revenue, it’s still better than the cataclysmic loss by not playing this season at all.

I'm no fan of PBS. But if it enables our fans and students to attend what should be a great season of Bearcat football starting in September I'm all in.

(05-13-2020 07:07 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2020 04:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 08:54 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ]Getting back to the title of this thread.

Why not sell 30,000 tickets as we would normally for a game at Nippert , then reassign seating at PBS to allow for social distancing. It may not look great on TV, but it would solve a lot of the issues that are being kicked around about the CFB season. UC has always had a pretty good relationship with the Brown family, so IMO this could be a viable solution.

That’s an interesting concept. Even if UC is at a variance in revenue, it’s still better than the cataclysmic loss by not playing this season at all.

I'm no fan of PBS. But if it enables our fans and students to attend what should be a great season of Bearcat football starting in September I'm all in.

Correct-- I am a Nippert first guy, and the PBS idea would be only as a last resort to let us have a season with fans in attendance.

It wouldn't matter. If it came to that, what's everyone else's plans to social distance?

(05-12-2020 07:34 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 11:34 AM)rosewater Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2020 11:14 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty irrelevant anyways. We already shut down for the 1.5 months and there's not exactly a Sweden model to follow, even if there was evidence that Sweden was effectively combating the virus (there isn't, they have higher infection and mortality rates than surrounding Nordic countries and their elderly populations still suffered as a result).



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It is very relevant. There is talk to carry on in the same manner for years. And When Sweden's mortality
and infection rates dip below ours, we may not be kicking ourselves for ignoring facts for political reasons.

You probably will be correct and my main argument is that Sweden is a healthier nation than ours, and therefore will most likely have a lower mortality rate than us in the end. I believe we should be reopening responsibly and that we all take Covid-19 seriously, I already lost 1 Family member to this Virus. I understand where you are coming from Rosewater and I have enjoyed this dicussion, take care and be well.

Thanks for the nice words