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Notre Dame will be doing the shortened semester, too

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(05-19-2020 09:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame will be open this fall.

Question to ponder: if Ohio Governor Dewine elects not to let football go forward in the state this fall could UC conceivably play at Higher Ground this fall?

If Buckeye football shuts down, I think the Governor would have to answer to Ohio's highest paid public employee in that case--the OSU head football coach.

Another step closer...

Another "big money" reality and why there will be college football in some way, shape, or form this season...

Quote:As more and more college athletic departments cut sports programs, the financial wreckage due to the coronavirus pandemic is becoming devastatingly clear -- and that's without factoring in a $4 billion loss if the 2020 football season is canceled, a development that would forever alter college-level sports.

University systems have suffered hundreds of millions of dollars in losses thus far, which could grow significantly as decisions are made about whether to return students to campuses this fall.

For Power 5 schools, the possibility of a lost college football season looms even more significantly.

"If there's no football season, or if football season is interrupted or shortened, there will be a massive fallout," TCU athletic director Jeremiah Donati said. "There would have to be massive cutbacks. Could the department go on? Sure. It would probably look smaller. There would potentially be fewer sports and much less programming."

Patrick Rishe, director of the sports business program at Washington University in St. Louis, believes the upcoming football season will be played -- even if it's during the spring -- because of "astronomical financial implications" for athletic departments if it is canceled.

Quite simply, college athletics might not have a financial choice.

Rishe estimates that the 65 Power 5 schools would collectively lose more than $4 billion in football revenues, with at least $1.2 billion of that due to lost ticket revenue. Each Power 5 school would see at least an average loss of $62 million in football revenue, including at least $18.6 million in football ticket sales, he said.

"Anywhere from 75 up to almost 85% of all revenues to our departments are derived directly or indirectly from football," Oregon State athletics director Scott Barnes said. "Indirectly, I mean sponsorship dollars, multimedia rights, and then you've got your gate, your donations and whatnot. The impact of not playing a season is devastating. It would rock the foundation of intercollegiate athletics the way we know it. Frankly, I'm not trying to solve for that because it would be such a devastating circumstance that we'd almost have to get a whiteboard out and start over."

No Football = Financial Disaster

(05-21-2020 12:21 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Another "big money" reality and why there will be college football in some way, shape, or form this season...

Quote:As more and more college athletic departments cut sports programs, the financial wreckage due to the coronavirus pandemic is becoming devastatingly clear -- and that's without factoring in a $4 billion loss if the 2020 football season is canceled, a development that would forever alter college-level sports.

University systems have suffered hundreds of millions of dollars in losses thus far, which could grow significantly as decisions are made about whether to return students to campuses this fall.

For Power 5 schools, the possibility of a lost college football season looms even more significantly.

"If there's no football season, or if football season is interrupted or shortened, there will be a massive fallout," TCU athletic director Jeremiah Donati said. "There would have to be massive cutbacks. Could the department go on? Sure. It would probably look smaller. There would potentially be fewer sports and much less programming."

Patrick Rishe, director of the sports business program at Washington University in St. Louis, believes the upcoming football season will be played -- even if it's during the spring -- because of "astronomical financial implications" for athletic departments if it is canceled.

Quite simply, college athletics might not have a financial choice.

Rishe estimates that the 65 Power 5 schools would collectively lose more than $4 billion in football revenues, with at least $1.2 billion of that due to lost ticket revenue. Each Power 5 school would see at least an average loss of $62 million in football revenue, including at least $18.6 million in football ticket sales, he said.

"Anywhere from 75 up to almost 85% of all revenues to our departments are derived directly or indirectly from football," Oregon State athletics director Scott Barnes said. "Indirectly, I mean sponsorship dollars, multimedia rights, and then you've got your gate, your donations and whatnot. The impact of not playing a season is devastating. It would rock the foundation of intercollegiate athletics the way we know it. Frankly, I'm not trying to solve for that because it would be such a devastating circumstance that we'd almost have to get a whiteboard out and start over."

No Football = Financial Disaster

Time for the P5 to shed the weak sisters...

Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot...rm=nprnews

Promising results from a vaccine candidate

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(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

It's always "those on the right" at fault, isn't it?

(05-22-2020 04:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

It's always "those on the right" at fault, isn't it?

Yes Trump forced Cuomo the send Wu Han Flu seniors back into nursing homes to kill, but he did not make DeSantis do the same!

The pendulum swings

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(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

To each his own. Feel free to huddle in your fort with your ham radio scanning for other viable life forms.

Please don’t worry about the rest of us getting on with our lives.

(05-22-2020 06:35 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

To each his own. Feel free to huddle in your fort with your ham radio scanning for other viable life forms.

Please don’t worry about the rest of us getting on with our lives.

Yup, for those seeking interstellar wisdom, wrap your head in aluminum foil.

(05-22-2020 06:35 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2020 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Good signs regarding the return to voluntary activities for schools. I think the key from here out will be how schools handle positive Covid cases amongst athletes. A few weeks ago when the UFC had their event, a fighter and his team all tested positive but he was simply removed and the event proceeded as normal. Likewise, the premier league recently had some people test positive, but all indications are that they will continue playing.

Does it play out the same when a student athlete contracts the virus while on campus?

I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

To each his own. Feel free to huddle in your fort with your ham radio scanning for other viable life forms.

Please don’t worry about the rest of us getting on with our lives.

amen to that.

(05-22-2020 04:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]I still think we need to see what happens with MLB assuming they start up again this summer. If they can get a real season in then football has a chance. I still think fans in attendance is a no go at this point. Since this became a political issue its going to be difficult to convince those on the right to take things seriously and change their behavior at sporting events and social gatherings. Football also tends to have a more conservative following than other sports. Enforcing tailgate rules might work at UC which has a limited scene but SEC schools, Ohio State, Clemson, and other football is religion type programs would be extremely difficult to enforce anything that limits the gameday experience.

I would guess that the NFL returns because they are essentially a TV product anyway. Money talks and they will play regardless of the health consequences if we know anything about that league.

The thing is the virus hasn't gone away. There is no national testing or tracing program. The White House rather make this about themselves than protect people so getting real info to the public is basically impossible at this point as viewpoints are locked in already. This will lead to a really difficult guideline in terms of playing sports safely. The optics will look bad this fall when there are over 200,000 dead from the virus and people are complaining about not being to watch their team in the stadium or tailgate in the parking lot. Until we get a treatment or vaccine this is always going to be a problem and mostly likely a political wedge issue which makes it more dangerous.

How come other parody accounts on this board are quickly deleted, but this one persists?

(05-22-2020 06:35 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: [ -> ]To each his own. Feel free to huddle in your fort with your ham radio scanning for other viable life forms.

Please don’t worry about the rest of us getting on with our lives.

I don't personally fear covid-19 as I'm not in the high risk demo but my taking precautions is going to help others. People can pretend we can isolate entire population groups but it won't happen without a substantial portion of the population taking it seriously. We're near 100000 dead despite historically unprecedented action (albeit way too late to stop the initial explosion before it got to that point). It's not about me personally living in fear it's about understanding my actions affect everyone else.

That said there's a huge difference between the measures we've taken to get things manageable and taking reasonable precaution as we try to get back to some semblance of normalcy. I've been pleased when I've been out people mostly try to observe distancing and wear masks indoors. Most I know conservative and liberal are taking it seriously and trying to protect against spread.

I wish there had been more emphasis on contact tracing but at least we're getting caught up on testing availability. If people continue to take precautions we should be able to go about our lives and prevent another huge wave but it's easy to see things taking off again if we're not vigilant. A lot of people are still dying every day.

(05-19-2020 10:00 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]It would be hilarious if UC was playing football and OSU was not.

The folks in Columbus could not let that happen.

I think the t-shirt fanbase would riot, and a good portion of the alumni base would be upset. The administration? Not so much. For all the flack they get about being a football factory, in the last ten years they turned one hall of fame coach in to the NCAA and then fired him and then turned around seven years later and ran off another hall of fame coach by suspending him. I'm guessing their response will be some form of what DeWine dictates and the Big Ten decides. The rest of the Ohio schools will then follow suit.

I think the US response was pretty typical of most countries (take the politics out of it). I compare US to EU mostly because I don't trust other countries data and most countries in EU are worse than US in cases & deaths per capita. Germany is best followed by US in comparison. I'm in the camp of get out with the precautions and start-up the economy again. In the end I think we all get it, just have to avoid the wave.

Yep, shutting things down unfortunately also has a very, very big cost as the JP Morgan study that was released this week pointed out. The lock down folks do not recognize any drawbacks to that radical step. The reality is a lot of the stats coming out now are not regulated in any way, so buyer beware. They still claim less than 5k fatalities in China, yet folks who live there post a completely different story. Bottom line, if you're high risk, stay in place or get your butt in better shape if you have to tackle any kind of serious illness. Diabetes, heart disease, alcohol and drug abuse, obesity, et.al did not go away with this virus. The reality is in a lot of these facilities with older folks, the employees are in demographics health wise where they are big at risk individuals for the above reasons. Herd immunity is not likely to progress with everyone in their house.

https://twitter.com/CoachEwing33/status/...69/photo/1

There's a JP Morgan study on reopening the economy?

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