(07-29-2020 10:36 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]All of what you 2 are saying is true, yet people will still look at the champ as illegitimate.
And rightly so. A 60-game season, which includes a bunch of cancelled games, where the team with the fewest viral infections wins?
Come on now. It’s going to become a farce.
All teams started with the same circumstance in terms of the virus. It is what it is. People will question anything these days. I'm just going to hopefully continue to enjoy baseball and whomever wins so be it. And if it's my Yanks damn straight I'd count it as 28
(07-29-2020 10:36 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]All of what you 2 are saying is true, yet people will still look at the champ as illegitimate.
And rightly so. A 60-game season, which includes a bunch of cancelled games, where the team with the fewest viral infections wins?
Come on now. It’s going to become a farce.
It’s a farce because the Marlins have a bunch of cases?
Did you really think the Marlins have a chance of winning it all this year? That’s a big funny.
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I’m saying it probably won’t be just the Marlins dealing with a situation like this.
Hey I’m gonna enjoy the baseball too. Just starting to get used to questionable titles...Between the Astros and other teams cheating and now this.
(07-29-2020 11:09 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey I’m gonna enjoy the baseball too. Just starting to get used to questionable titles...Between the Astros and other teams cheating and now this.
Your Mets somehow get healthy and make a miraculous run(Can Jake pitch every day?) you going to count the title? Serious question.
(07-29-2020 12:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (07-29-2020 11:09 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey I’m gonna enjoy the baseball too. Just starting to get used to questionable titles...Between the Astros and other teams cheating and now this.
Your Mets somehow get healthy and make a miraculous run(Can Jake pitch every day?) you going to count the title? Serious question.
No, I would not consider it a legit title. The Mets are an average to below average team right now and have no real business being a title contender. A 60-game schedule with 16 playoff teams is just not real MLB baseball, to me. I do agree with those who say 162 games is too many, but 60 (or less, for several teams) is FAR too few and 16 playoff teams is far too many.
This wouldn't be shades of a miracle run like the '69 Mets. I'd enjoy watching them win the games, no doubt, but I'd recognize it'll always have an unofficial asterisk.
On a side note, I also hate the DH. I get the reasoning behind adopting it for the NL this year. I also get that there is movement towards the NL having the DH going forward because they're the only remaining league to NOT use the DH. But I don't have to like it. My belief is that if you want to hit you should have to field a position. Period.
So this is going well.
Tom
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I have confirmation that #Brewers home opener is off because of positive tests with St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals just came from Minnesota, so this is bad news for the Twins as well. I'm guessing there will be no games at Miller Park this weekend. Oh boy.
10:06 AM · Jul 31, 2020
The MLB is talking about doing 7-inning doubleheaders now. So essentially they're running things like the Cape Cod League.
Totally not a bush league operation at the moment.
Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
(07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
(07-31-2020 01:26 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
They most certainly are trying to salvage any TV dollars they can. They were right, people want to watch. Yanks-Nats on opening night was the most watched baseball game ever.
(07-31-2020 01:26 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
I see your point, but how is it a "money grab at all costs". It seems like, overall, the teams are probably losing money overall since they're having to pay the athletes and outside of a television contract what money are they actually making here? The stadiums are off limits. There's no concession sales that they typically make a killing off of.
Regardless how you feel about the issue, or even the season being played... I'm not sure there's a decent argument that the owners are making profit here. I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
(07-31-2020 02:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 01:26 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
I see your point, but how is it a "money grab at all costs". It seems like, overall, the teams are probably losing money overall since they're having to pay the athletes and outside of a television contract what money are they actually making here? The stadiums are off limits. There's no concession sales that they typically make a killing off of.
Regardless how you feel about the issue, or even the season being played... I'm not sure there's a decent argument that the owners are making profit here. I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Definitely not....... trying to salvage any dollar they can. Anything less they can lose the better
(07-31-2020 02:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 01:26 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
I see your point, but how is it a "money grab at all costs". It seems like, overall, the teams are probably losing money overall since they're having to pay the athletes and outside of a television contract what money are they actually making here? The stadiums are off limits. There's no concession sales that they typically make a killing off of.
Regardless how you feel about the issue, or even the season being played... I'm not sure there's a decent argument that the owners are making profit here. I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
If that were all true, they'd have cancelled the season outright to avoid paying the players their large salaries. The shortened season loses them a LOT less money than if the season isn't played at all, especially because of the 2020 postseason. The 2020 TV money is what they're trying to get, rather than lose out on it entirely.
This Forbes article states as much. They're going to lose money, but not nearly as much if they can have an MLB postseason:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian...fc530c98f7
Quote:The potential combination of an expanded playoff format along with expanded digital rights from BAM should permit MLB to retain about 80% to 85% of its 2020 national television revenues.
(07-31-2020 03:56 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 02:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 01:26 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Survival of the fittest. Bush league to me is someone doing things intentionally that are out of whack. This is anything but, they are dealing with the hand they are being dealt.
OK. Wrong term then. Whatever term fits for "money grab at all costs" sounds about right to me.
I see your point, but how is it a "money grab at all costs". It seems like, overall, the teams are probably losing money overall since they're having to pay the athletes and outside of a television contract what money are they actually making here? The stadiums are off limits. There's no concession sales that they typically make a killing off of.
Regardless how you feel about the issue, or even the season being played... I'm not sure there's a decent argument that the owners are making profit here. I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
If that were all true, they'd have cancelled the season outright to avoid paying the players their large salaries. The shortened season loses them a LOT less money than if the season isn't played at all, especially because of the 2020 postseason. The 2020 TV money is what they're trying to get, rather than lose out on it entirely.
This Forbes article states as much. They're going to lose money, but not nearly as much if they can have an MLB postseason:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian...fc530c98f7
Quote:The potential combination of an expanded playoff format along with expanded digital rights from BAM should permit MLB to retain about 80% to 85% of its 2020 national television revenues.
Gotcha. From a business sense though (I was not a business major), wouldn't that make sense? I wonder if they were stuck in a no-win situation. If they had all agreed, "Cut our losses, don't have a season and don't pay the players." What kind of lawsuit would that have generated from the players union?
I mean, if I'm a business owner of any type during this I'm going to TRY to make some kind of money or at a very minimum ensure every effort to minimize loss. That's just common sense, IMO. I'm not sure that's something to create a negative attribute of? Who knows, maybe I'm just old school like that. End of the day, the MLB and any other similar organization is still a business. We the fans have more emotional connection to it, but it's a business in every sense of the word. Even Patrick Mahomes is a partial owner now. That guy has more cash flow than any of us could dream of, but he's building a future for himself beyond football by getting into other sports business. Is he "money grabbing" or just being smart with his money/investments?
Manfred subtly shifting the blame to to the teams if things shut down. Clever.
Quote:Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred told MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark on Friday that if the sport doesn't do a better job of managing the coronavirus, it could shut down for the season, sources familiar with the conversation told ESPN.
(07-31-2020 07:13 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Manfred subtly shifting the blame to to the teams if things shut down. Clever.
Quote:Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred told MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark on Friday that if the sport doesn't do a better job of managing the coronavirus, it could shut down for the season, sources familiar with the conversation told ESPN.
But if it truly is teams not following protocol that's the issue wouldn't this be accurate?
CG I WAS a business major and I agree with you. The game is a business. If it's my business and I have a chance to potentially minimize my losses I'm absolutely going to try to do it. 08 Let's not act like the players are sacrificial lands, they are still getting paid nicely.
Another young athlete dealing with a minor inconvenience.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2957...eart-issue
Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez done for season due to heart issue
Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez will miss the rest of the season as he recovers from a heart issue, the team announced Saturday.
Rodriguez has been diagnosed with myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that the team believes is a result of the left-hander's recent bout with the coronavirus. He tested positive for COVID-19 before the start of summer camp. While he was cleared and returned to workouts on July 18, he was shut down a week later after an MRI revealed his ailment.
The 27-year-old had been slotted in as the team's No. 1 pitcher this season and Opening Day starter. Instead, Rodriguez will sit out the 2020 season.
Pure speculation to say this had anything to do with Covid. Everyone immediately goes there
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(08-02-2020 11:18 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Pure speculation to say this had anything to do with Covid. Everyone immediately goes there
Come on now. Not saying that doesn't happen, but even Fox News has the headline "Eduardo Rodriguez out for season with post-COVID-19 heart issue"
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/eduardo-r...eart-issue
And why are they so quick to jump to that? Because it’s not a stretch at all; it’s science, and they’ve seen it already in a lot of cases. Official medical reports agree that the most commonly identifiable cause of myocarditis in the United States and other developed countries is viral, and myocarditis has been linked back to COVID across all age groups:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/
"Minor inconvenience" and "pure speculation". These aren't terms that should be used right now when talking about COVID and its impact. Not based on the information we have available AND with how much we still have to learn about the long-term impact of the virus.
(08-03-2020 12:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2020 11:18 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Pure speculation to say this had anything to do with Covid. Everyone immediately goes there
Come on now. Not saying that doesn't happen, but even Fox News has the headline "Eduardo Rodriguez out for season with post-COVID-19 heart issue"
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/eduardo-r...eart-issue
And why are they so quick to jump to that? Because it’s not a stretch at all; it’s science, and they’ve seen it already in a lot of cases. Official medical reports agree that the most commonly identifiable cause of myocarditis in the United States and other developed countries is viral, and myocarditis has been linked back to COVID across all age groups:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/
"Minor inconvenience" and "pure speculation". These aren't terms that should be used right now when talking about COVID and its impact. Not based on the information we have available AND with how much we still have to learn about the long-term impact of the virus.
Do you need a rubber room with padded walls? It sure sounds like you do