ACC has same problem that Big 12/Pac 12 have causing Texas and OU to bolt and USC/UCLA to bolt and maybe Clemson/Fla St...too many small market teams in all three of those places like Pullman, Corvalis, Ames, Stillwater, Lubbock, Blacksburg, Winston-Salem, 3 teams in RDU, etc. Just hard to have a national following to get the big-time $ w/ so many that just can't bring the big recruiting net, eyeballs, etc. Thus, markets like Dallas, Houston, and even SD for So.Cal are naturally going to be more attractive targets over Boise, Fresno, Tulsa, etc.
Get the product improved and things should work out for the Owls. But the ineptitude on the field for so long has been maddening. Hard to see current mix of leadership in the $ sports changing that trajectory to get a ticket to a bigger dance like the other SWC (and early C-USA) members. So will celebrate playing a combo of same teams (UNT, FAU, UTSA, etc.) and new teams like ECU, Tulsa, etc. as upgrades from So. Miss, Marshall, Old Dominion, etc.
(02-22-2023 06:49 AM)owl40 Wrote: [ -> ]ACC has same problem that Big 12/Pac 12 have causing Texas and OU to bolt and USC/UCLA to bolt and maybe Clemson/Fla St...too many small market teams in all three of those places like Pullman, Corvalis, Ames, Stillwater, Lubbock, Blacksburg, Winston-Salem, 3 teams in RDU, etc. Just hard to have a national following to get the big-time $ w/ so many that just can't bring the big recruiting net, eyeballs, etc. Thus, markets like Dallas, Houston, and even SD for So.Cal are naturally going to be more attractive targets over Boise, Fresno, Tulsa, etc.
Get the product improved and things should work out for the Owls. But the ineptitude on the field for so long has been maddening. Hard to see current mix of leadership in the $ sports changing that trajectory to get a ticket to a bigger dance like the other SWC (and early C-USA) members. So will celebrate playing a combo of same teams (UNT, FAU, UTSA, etc.) and new teams like ECU, Tulsa, etc. as upgrades from So. Miss, Marshall, Old Dominion, etc.
Imagine how dire the PAC's circumstances would have to be for them to invite Rice, even if our men's programs were decent, and our stadium fully upgraded.
(02-22-2023 06:49 AM)owl40 Wrote: [ -> ]ACC has same problem that Big 12/Pac 12 have causing Texas and OU to bolt and USC/UCLA to bolt and maybe Clemson/Fla St...too many small market teams in all three of those places like Pullman, Corvalis, Ames, Stillwater, Lubbock, Blacksburg, Winston-Salem, 3 teams in RDU, etc. Just hard to have a national following to get the big-time $ w/ so many that just can't bring the big recruiting net, eyeballs, etc. Thus, markets like Dallas, Houston, and even SD for So.Cal are naturally going to be more attractive targets over Boise, Fresno, Tulsa, etc.
Get the product improved and things should work out for the Owls. But the ineptitude on the field for so long has been maddening. Hard to see current mix of leadership in the $ sports changing that trajectory to get a ticket to a bigger dance like the other SWC (and early C-USA) members. So will celebrate playing a combo of same teams (UNT, FAU, UTSA, etc.) and new teams like ECU, Tulsa, etc. as upgrades from So. Miss, Marshall, Old Dominion, etc.
I think the overwhelming driving force in college athletics going forward is TV/streaming/media money and the Power 50-60 schools scrambling to maximize their income. Over the past couple of generations the college sports landscape has changed dramatically and legal opinions involving NIL payments and almost unlimited transfer opportunities have rapidly accelerated that change. Let’s face it, from my viewpoint, one shaped by the old SWC etc, college sports is completely unrecognizable.
It takes huge amounts of money to maintain the big schools athletic departments. And at the very top…UT, Ohio State, Michigan, OU, UCLA, USC, Clemson, Alabama and their ilk… it takes monstrous amounts. And if you are in that club it’s very easy for you to view yourself as pretty entitled. After all, a UT vs OU game, or Ohio State vs Michigan game is worth many more magnitudes of dough than say Texas Tech vs Iowa State. Or Indiana vs Minnesota. Right?Therefore, why shouldn’t we super schools get more money? We obviously deserve it. Hence, the asymmetrical discussions that the AAC might be having …Clemson, FSU vs everybody else.
The big question is where does it end? Right now the re-alignment wars point to who’s going to stay or move up to the big kids table. But my guess is that the really Super Programs will not be happy with equal shares. Their sense of entitlement and need for ever expanding revenue will result in agreements that give them more money than the Ordinary Programs. Or will, ultimately, result in the top 15-20 programs forming a much more exclusive conference.
For a peak inside this process, watch Super League: The War for Football. On one of the streaming sites. Although it was ultimately foiled (temporarily), it was an almost successful plot to form a European Super league with about 12 top clubs being permanent members of the league with about 4-6 teams from the ordinary leagues playing in every year.
I'm waiting for the day when there's rumblings from Austin and Knoxville about whether Mississippi State or Vanderbilt really should be in the club or if they ought to pull a PCC, SWC, or Big East style move and make a new conference without the "dead weight". Then there will be another handful of mouths to feed at the table of the "have-less"s, and the smallest violins will sound out from the table of the "have-not"s.
(02-22-2023 08:23 PM)franklyconfused Wrote: [ -> ]I'm waiting for the day when there's rumblings from Austin and Knoxville about whether Mississippi State or Vanderbilt really should be in the club or if they ought to pull a PCC, SWC, or Big East style move and make a new conference without the "dead weight". Then there will be another handful of mouths to feed at the table of the "have-less"s, and the smallest violins will sound out from the table of the "have-not"s.
It's only a matter of time. The biggest 50 schools will form a giant conference and leave the rest out.
This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
(02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 02:53 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
(02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 02:53 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
(02-27-2023 05:17 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 02:53 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
Well, UT and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC (SEC $ > B10 $). SMU, TCU and Baylor would all be schools with religious affiliations which the Big 10 doesn't have now and none of those 3 have engineering schools of any significance which all the current B10 schools do have. That leaves one school of note, but that one brings nothing to boost B10 (or any other conference's) athletics financially. The only positive for the current B10 schools is that school is located recruiting hotbed with a large television audience.
"Television markets" are pretty much a thing of the past.
(02-27-2023 06:39 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 05:17 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 02:53 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
Well, UT and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC (SEC $ > B10 $). SMU, TCU and Baylor would all be schools with religious affiliations which the Big 10 doesn't have now and none of those 3 have engineering schools of any significance which all the current B10 schools do have. That leaves one school of note, but that one brings nothing to boost B10 (or any other conference's) athletics financially. The only positive for the current B10 schools is that school is located recruiting hotbed with a large television audience.
Oregon does not have an engineering school, OSU does. Oregon does have Phil Knight, which apparently offsets that requirement.
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(02-27-2023 06:39 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 05:17 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 02:53 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This could be some encouraging news for Rice fans! It looks like the BIG10 and BIG12 are considering taking four schools each from the PAC12. That would leave only Oregon State and Washington State behind, who would probably need to join the MWC after all the raiding is done. This could potentially mean that SMU and Tulane remain in the AAC. Our private school rivals would be stuck with us, and the MWC would come out on top in realignment for a change.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...948559007/
Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
Well, UT and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC (SEC $ > B10 $). SMU, TCU and Baylor would all be schools with religious affiliations which the Big 10 doesn't have now and none of those 3 have engineering schools of any significance which all the current B10 schools do have. That leaves one school of note, but that one brings nothing to boost B10 (or any other conference's) athletics financially. The only positive for the current B10 schools is that school is located recruiting hotbed with a large television audience.
B1G payouts are still bigger than the SEC. Not enough to lure Texas, but definitely bigger.
(02-27-2023 07:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 06:39 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 05:17 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
Well, UT and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC (SEC $ > B10 $). SMU, TCU and Baylor would all be schools with religious affiliations which the Big 10 doesn't have now and none of those 3 have engineering schools of any significance which all the current B10 schools do have. That leaves one school of note, but that one brings nothing to boost B10 (or any other conference's) athletics financially. The only positive for the current B10 schools is that school is located recruiting hotbed with a large television audience.
B1G payouts are still bigger than the SEC. Not enough to lure Texas, but definitely bigger.
Official payouts are only the beginning of the $$$$.
(02-27-2023 06:45 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 06:42 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: [ -> ]"Television markets" are pretty much a thing of the past.
OK - viewing markets
Those are pretty much a thing of the past.
What matters is a given team's fan base. There may or may not be a geographical component to that.
Rice (metropolitan area) does not have a large fan base. Oklahoma (BFE) does. It no longer matters where the eyeballs are.
(02-27-2023 06:58 PM)markbrindley Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 06:39 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 05:17 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (02-27-2023 04:24 PM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Paywall!
Damn. I was able to access it directly when I Googled 'PAC12 realignment news.'
It basically states that the B10 is considering 2-4 more schools in order to relieve travel for USC and UCLA, and to be sure there is nothing left of the PAC for them to return to in the future.
Wow! Thanks.
But no Big Ten move toward Texas yet? :)
Well, UT and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC (SEC $ > B10 $). SMU, TCU and Baylor would all be schools with religious affiliations which the Big 10 doesn't have now and none of those 3 have engineering schools of any significance which all the current B10 schools do have. That leaves one school of note, but that one brings nothing to boost B10 (or any other conference's) athletics financially. The only positive for the current B10 schools is that school is located recruiting hotbed with a large television audience.
Oregon does not have an engineering school, OSU does. Oregon does have Phil Knight, which apparently offsets that requirement.
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Nike U, aka, Oregon, has done a good job of spending Phil’s money and brings lots of athletics $$$$ which offsets just about everything else.
I've said this before but I'll say it again....
There is room in TV audiences for an academic giant killer. A team the nerds of the world can unite behind.... but you have to be a decent, disciplined and innovative team first.... see Princeton basketball a few years ago.
You can't be a team of hired thugs and you can't NOT be competitive.... ever... with anyone.
Y'all realize that we'll lose SMU and Tulane to the PAC12 right? The AAC is about to be just another crappy conference.
(03-03-2023 05:21 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]Y'all realize that we'll lose SMU and Tulane to the PAC12 right? The AAC is about to be just another crappy conference.
Which version of the PAC12? If Washington, Stanford, Oregon, and Cal leave for the BIG10, it won't be much better. And if the BIG12 raids the corner schools, SMU is screwed. Too bad we didn't go with the MWC.