This breakaway would probably be a good thing for a school like Rice and all G5 conferences, in general. If the top 50 schools broke away from the NCAA, the 80-90 that are left could then focus on competing amongst themselves for their own national championship.
Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball. Let them breakaway into semi-professional conferences. They can have it. I want nothing to do with it.
(04-26-2022 08:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This breakaway would probably be a good thing for a school like Rice and all G5 conferences, in general. If the top 50 schools broke away from the NCAA, the 80-90 that are left could then focus on competing amongst themselves for their own national championship.
Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball. Let them breakaway into semi-professional conferences. They can have it. I want nothing to do with it.
The "system" has nothing to do with Rice having " a realistic chance of winning a national championship". It is our own incompetence. We can't even punch our weight against the dregs.
(04-27-2022 12:41 AM)HawaiiOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2022 08:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball.
A mid-major had a chance in football in 2021, and several mid-majors have had legitimate chances in basketball in recent years.
Quote:The "system" has nothing to do with Rice having " a realistic chance of winning a national championship". It is our own incompetence. We can't even punch our weight against the dregs.
This. Rice has won one fairly recent national championship in a major or near-major sport, and the current AD responded by unceremoniously dumping the man responsible for that. Oh, and just incidentally, the man also responsible for that AD's job's actual existence.
Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
NCAA Wrote:He will continue to serve in his role until a new president is selected and in place or until June 30, 2023.
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
(04-27-2022 12:41 AM)HawaiiOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2022 08:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This breakaway would probably be a good thing for a school like Rice and all G5 conferences, in general. If the top 50 schools broke away from the NCAA, the 80-90 that are left could then focus on competing amongst themselves for their own national championship.
Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball. Let them breakaway into semi-professional conferences. They can have it. I want nothing to do with it.
The "system" has nothing to do with Rice having " a realistic chance of winning a national championship". It is our own incompetence. We can't even punch our weight against the dregs.
The chances of a mid-major winning a national championship is very, very slim, even for the programs that have decent funding, and are managed competently and professionally. It's the truth.
Yes, Rice is always in the way of itself, but that's not the only reason we have no chance of winning anything significant in football and basketball. The system in those two sports cater to the power conferences.
Every year, the chances of a mid-major breaking through are diminished. For example, NCAA transfer policy is funneling the best talent up to the big boys, while P5 scrubs and bench players fall down to our level.
NIL will never be a friend of anyone in the small conferences. The divide is widening every day, and in areas that have nothing to do with Rice's incompetence. It's just a fact.
(04-27-2022 08:14 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
NCAA Wrote:He will continue to serve in his role until a new president is selected and in place or until June 30, 2023.
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
Yep. The NCAA has lost complete control. It's afraid to stand up to the power conferences. Their hands-off approach has destroyed college athletics.
(04-27-2022 10:06 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 08:14 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
NCAA Wrote:He will continue to serve in his role until a new president is selected and in place or until June 30, 2023.
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
Yep. The NCAA has lost complete control. It's afraid to stand up to the power conferences. Their hands-off approach has destroyed college athletics.
I don't think it is fear. More them having no ability to shape things.
(04-27-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:06 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 08:14 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
NCAA Wrote:He will continue to serve in his role until a new president is selected and in place or until June 30, 2023.
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
Yep. The NCAA has lost complete control. It's afraid to stand up to the power conferences. Their hands-off approach has destroyed college athletics.
I don't think it is fear. More them having no ability to shape things.
They could definitely assert themselves in the CFP and NCAA basketball tournament with more force. CUSA is sometimes a two-bid league, but it never happens because they'd rather take the Big10 #6. Those schools have fans and money. It's disgraceful. On top of that, those big schools won't play any us small schools on our home court. They've locked us out, and it's all done by design. Transfer rules are completely out of control as well.
I'm glad Emmert is being forced out. It gives me hope that someone with balls will take his place, while it also gives me fear that an even weaker "yes man" will take his place. We'll see.
(04-27-2022 10:20 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:06 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 08:14 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
NCAA Wrote:He will continue to serve in his role until a new president is selected and in place or until June 30, 2023.
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
Yep. The NCAA has lost complete control. It's afraid to stand up to the power conferences. Their hands-off approach has destroyed college athletics.
I don't think it is fear. More them having no ability to shape things.
They could definitely assert themselves in the CFP and NCAA basketball tournament with more force. CUSA is sometimes a two-bid league, but it never happens because they'd rather take the Big10 #6. Those schools have fans and money. It's disgraceful. On top of that, those big schools won't play any us small schools on our home court. They've locked us out, and it's all done by design.
I'm glad Emmert is being forced out. It gives me hope that someone with balls will take his place, while it also gives me fear that an even weaker "yes man" will take his place. We'll see.
I just have this mental image of the NCAA saying "or else" and the power conferences saying "or else what", followed by the NCAA saying "never mind".
I think g5 Presidents and all of the 'not' big time football programs need to keep their divisions, but band together to essentially oust the 'professionals' from amateur sports. If you are getting paid for your NIL, you are a professional. If you want a college scholarship and some nominal amount of spending money (since you can't also work a job) then you can play in our league. If you don't, then you can joing the 'pro' leagues and pay the universities to attend. Universities can then decide if they want to have a paid pro team or a student team.... and the NCAA can continue to manage the student teams.
I think the NFL will start to see some intrusion into their game and seek to cap or impede the semi-pro teams
Seriously, If we're still competing WITHOUT p5 money (I don't mean effectively, but putting on a show... SOME teams are competing somewhat effectively) then there is no way the new NCAA will have less money than g5 for its product... and the arms race essentially ends. If college isn't for you and you're good enough or develop a name, you can transfer to the 'paid' league...
and I think the NCAA should market the HELL out of 'actual' student athletes competing in amateur sports and NOT the paid game.
KU as an example might make less money, but they'd also be much more competitive and have greater value with their alumni as a result because they're a fairly big state school, now no longer competing with semi-pro teams. Rice would get much better bang for our same bucks. It would still be the same game for us, however.... just without any 'money' games for anyone.
because its not supposed to be about the money... it's supposed to be about scholarship
(04-27-2022 11:28 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the NFL will start to see some intrusion into their game and seek to cap or impede the semi-pro teams
P5 is the NFL's D-league. If anything, the NFL will start providing NIL money.
(04-27-2022 12:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 11:28 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the NFL will start to see some intrusion into their game and seek to cap or impede the semi-pro teams
P5 is the NFL's D-league. If anything, the NFL will start providing NIL money.
That's sort of my point though....
The NFL is being subsidized by state endowments for scholarships.... particularly for those that don't graduate or don't really intend to graduate. The NFL SHOULD provide NIL money.... meaning they would now be subsidizing education which is how it should be. I said cap or impede, but eliminating the pretense as you describe is also an option.
(04-27-2022 10:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:20 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:06 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 08:14 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Emmert is stepping down as president of the NCAA "by mutual agreement" with its Board of Governors. (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/4/26/medi...-2023.aspx)
Who would be a good successor?
Has the NCAA become ungovernable ... especially with respect to D1 Football?
Yep. The NCAA has lost complete control. It's afraid to stand up to the power conferences. Their hands-off approach has destroyed college athletics.
I don't think it is fear. More them having no ability to shape things.
They could definitely assert themselves in the CFP and NCAA basketball tournament with more force. CUSA is sometimes a two-bid league, but it never happens because they'd rather take the Big10 #6. Those schools have fans and money. It's disgraceful. On top of that, those big schools won't play any us small schools on our home court. They've locked us out, and it's all done by design.
I'm glad Emmert is being forced out. It gives me hope that someone with balls will take his place, while it also gives me fear that an even weaker "yes man" will take his place. We'll see.
I just have this mental image of the NCAA saying "or else" and the power conferences saying "or else what", followed by the NCAA saying "never mind".
For sure. They hold "the breakaway" over its head. P5 programs enjoy the best of both worlds right now, in that they get to hoard all the money, championships, and exposure, while under the guise of NCAA membership. It's a damn farce.
Those schools like to look like they do what they do within meaningful rules and constraints, but the truth is that they've intimidated the NCAA to bend those rules and constraints in their favor.
Those programs need to move on, and leave for good. The rest of us will continue on as NCAA entities, play for NCAA championships, and preserve college athletics in its traditional and historic form. I want Rice to have nothing to do with it. I never watch p5 athletics, and I never will again for the rest of my life. Those aren't collegiate entities, their semi-professional, for profit franchises.
(04-27-2022 10:04 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 12:41 AM)HawaiiOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2022 08:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This breakaway would probably be a good thing for a school like Rice and all G5 conferences, in general. If the top 50 schools broke away from the NCAA, the 80-90 that are left could then focus on competing amongst themselves for their own national championship.
Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball. Let them breakaway into semi-professional conferences. They can have it. I want nothing to do with it.
The "system" has nothing to do with Rice having " a realistic chance of winning a national championship". It is our own incompetence. We can't even punch our weight against the dregs.
The chances of a mid-major winning a national championship is very, very slim, even for the programs that have decent funding, and are managed competently and professionally. It's the truth.
Yes, Rice is always in the way of itself, but that's not the only reason we have no chance of winning anything significant in football and basketball. The system in those two sports cater to the power conferences.
Every year, the chances of a mid-major breaking through are diminished. For example, NCAA transfer policy is funneling the best talent up to the big boys, while P5 scrubs and bench players fall down to our level.
NIL will never be a friend of anyone in the small conferences. The divide is widening every day, and in areas that have nothing to do with Rice's incompetence. It's just a fact.
That is all true, but still not relevant as to why Rice is not competing for a national title in FB or MBB
(04-27-2022 03:01 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 10:04 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022 12:41 AM)HawaiiOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2022 08:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]This breakaway would probably be a good thing for a school like Rice and all G5 conferences, in general. If the top 50 schools broke away from the NCAA, the 80-90 that are left could then focus on competing amongst themselves for their own national championship.
Right now, the system is so skewed against mid-majors, that we'll never have a realistic chance of winning national championships in football and basketball. Let them breakaway into semi-professional conferences. They can have it. I want nothing to do with it.
The "system" has nothing to do with Rice having " a realistic chance of winning a national championship". It is our own incompetence. We can't even punch our weight against the dregs.
The chances of a mid-major winning a national championship is very, very slim, even for the programs that have decent funding, and are managed competently and professionally. It's the truth.
Yes, Rice is always in the way of itself, but that's not the only reason we have no chance of winning anything significant in football and basketball. The system in those two sports cater to the power conferences.
Every year, the chances of a mid-major breaking through are diminished. For example, NCAA transfer policy is funneling the best talent up to the big boys, while P5 scrubs and bench players fall down to our level.
NIL will never be a friend of anyone in the small conferences. The divide is widening every day, and in areas that have nothing to do with Rice's incompetence. It's just a fact.
That is all true, but still not relevant as to why Rice is not competing for a national title in FB or MBB
1. Rice is not competing for championships because it is inept at managing its athletics programs.
2. Rice is not competing for championships because the 'system' has evolved to further and further exclude mid-major programs.
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/ho...g1ny5qg1rs
UH, Cincinnati, and Central Florida expect to leave the AAC summer 2023 (i.e., after this coming school year). They would be in the XII with UT and OU for up to two years, pending their own exit negotiations. Presumably, we'll be filling into the AAC simultaneously to their departures, so this could be our last year in C-USA coming up.
(04-27-2022 09:15 PM)franklyconfused Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/ho...g1ny5qg1rs
UH, Cincinnati, and Central Florida expect to leave the AAC summer 2023 (i.e., after this coming school year). They would be in the XII with UT and OU for up to two years, pending their own exit negotiations. Presumably, we'll be filling into the AAC simultaneously to their departures, so this could be our last year in C-USA coming up.
Very good. I'm excited about heading to the AAC. CUSA has been an awful fit for us. Maybe we have a new AD and head football coach by the time it happens.