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ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

So every one of the former SWC schools is now back in a P5 conference--except Rice.

(09-01-2023 07:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

So every one of the former SWC schools is now back in a P5 conference--except Rice.

I wonder if SMU's president, correctly recognizing the existential-crisis nature of the moment, was actively involved in recruiting the alum/booster support necessary to float their athletic department for years and make this day possible for them.

Or whether he twiddled his thumbs while this critical alum commitment magically coalesced out of nowhere and all he had to do was say yes when they called him out of the blue.

Some schools just have all the luck, I guess!

What you expect. Rice stadium was at one time a premier stadium in the 50s and 60s and Rice did nothing to improve it until somewhat recently. They rather spend their money on some stupid opera house. Rice has the facilities to move into a Power 5 conference if they just make up their mind to spend money to improve it. I think we have a new President who realises this and can convince the University to finally do something. Also what is Rice is going to do with Tudor? Its crap. Good for volleyball only.

(09-01-2023 07:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

So every one of the former SWC schools is now back in a P5 conference--except Rice.

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

NC State flipped

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...rd-cal-smu

The time to act was 2008. After the Texas Bowl it was suggested that Rice Stadium be replaced…that suggestion was greeted with horror and the term HRS became standard use. There was a brief moment when Rice football was relevant outside the hedges but it passed as did a chance to stop the decline. Patterson was supposed to be the difference maker it wasn’t.

(09-01-2023 08:47 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]The time to act was 2008. After the Texas Bowl it was suggested that Rice Stadium be replaced…that suggestion was greeted with horror and the term HRS became standard use. There was a brief moment when Rice football was relevant outside the hedges but it passed as did a chance to stop the decline. Patterson was supposed to be the difference maker it wasn’t.

The Patterson Center was already outdated by the time it was built.

(09-01-2023 08:39 AM)Almadenmike Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

NC State flipped

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...rd-cal-smu

The best explanation I saw was the fear that if/when FSU, UNC, and Clemson or others were to leave then membership would drop before the threshold that would allow ESPN to renegotiate their deal. So going down to Peakload Labor and getting 3 schools would protect them from dropping below the minimum.

Best tweet to describe the ACC….” The ACC is the equivalent of a bickering couple who decides to experiment with becoming swingers to keep things alive... destined to end up in divorce anyway”.

(09-01-2023 08:47 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]The time to act was 2008. After the Texas Bowl it was suggested that Rice Stadium be replaced…that suggestion was greeted with horror and the term HRS became standard use. There was a brief moment when Rice football was relevant outside the hedges but it passed as did a chance to stop the decline. Patterson was supposed to be the difference maker it wasn’t.

One of many times, it should have been clear where either events were apparent or the iron was hot and ready to strike:
-1995 remembering that the oilers were leaving and there was at least some kind of void
-1999
-2003

And in the meantime, the Daily Cougar (um err the Houston Comical) has a big column about the UH entry into the big XII and the expected big sellout crowd this weekend against wait for it............ UTSA. My guess is that the overunder is about 25k, if that. Wonder how much advertising Tillman provides to get them to publish the UH SID press releases?

But much like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House, all that we hear and have heard is that "All is well".....

(09-01-2023 09:24 AM)texowl2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 08:47 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]The time to act was 2008. After the Texas Bowl it was suggested that Rice Stadium be replaced…that suggestion was greeted with horror and the term HRS became standard use. There was a brief moment when Rice football was relevant outside the hedges but it passed as did a chance to stop the decline. Patterson was supposed to be the difference maker it wasn’t.

One of many times, it should have been clear where either events were apparent or the iron was hot and ready to strike:
-1995 remembering that the oilers were leaving and there was at least some kind of void
-1999
-2003

And in the meantime, the Daily Cougar (um err the Houston Comical) has a big column about the UH entry into the big XII and the expected big sellout crowd this weekend against wait for it............ UTSA. My guess is that the overunder is about 25k, if that. Wonder how much advertising Tillman provides to get them to publish the UH SID press releases?

But much like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House, all that we hear and have heard is that "All is well".....

I'm betting half the attendance will come from UTSA fans, who historically have travelled very well.

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Does anyone even care anymore? I thought I did, but not sure anymore.

The program needs something positive and sustained to happen. I just don’t see from where that will come.

(09-01-2023 11:53 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone even care anymore? I thought I did, but not sure anymore.

The program needs something positive and sustained to happen. I just don’t see from where that will come.

I care. But I am powerless to do anything but hope.

I hope success this season - not success this weekend - will perhaps, finally,, become the springboard to further success.

I hope to see a better season than most of you are predicting.

I hope the new President and AD will make a difference.

I hope, and I care.

Athletes on Cal and Stanford teams will have to travel to the east coast much more than athletes from schools on the east coast will have to travel to the west coast (just 2 schools).

Cal and Stanford student athletes might not like that.

All I hear on sports talk shows this is a complete negative for tbe AAC. These schools only bring $3 to $4 mm per year to the conference which is peanuts and you take into account the travel costs.

(09-01-2023 08:24 AM)Texasowl Wrote: [ -> ]What you expect. Rice stadium was at one time a premier stadium in the 50s and 60s and Rice did nothing to improve it until somewhat recently. They rather spend their money on some stupid opera house. Rice has the facilities to move into a Power 5 conference if they just make up their mind to spend money to improve it. I think we have a new President who realises this and can convince the University to finally do something. Also what is Rice is going to do with Tudor? Its crap. Good for volleyball only.

(09-01-2023 07:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

So every one of the former SWC schools is now back in a P5 conference--except Rice.

Brockman Opera Hall was mainly funded by the Brockman Charitable Trust.

Rice's music school is in the top 10 in the country.

Top 10 in the country with no marching band. Sounds about right.

(09-01-2023 01:15 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 08:24 AM)Texasowl Wrote: [ -> ]What you expect. Rice stadium was at one time a premier stadium in the 50s and 60s and Rice did nothing to improve it until somewhat recently. They rather spend their money on some stupid opera house. Rice has the facilities to move into a Power 5 conference if they just make up their mind to spend money to improve it. I think we have a new President who realises this and can convince the University to finally do something. Also what is Rice is going to do with Tudor? Its crap. Good for volleyball only.

(09-01-2023 07:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2023 07:29 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ]ACC votes to extend invitations to Cal, Stanford, and SMU.

So every one of the former SWC schools is now back in a P5 conference--except Rice.

Brockman Opera Hall was mainly funded by the Brockman Charitable Trust.

Rice's music school is in the top 10 in the country.

And therein lies the problems w/ Rice Athletics and Rice University.

University says to Athletics, 'Brockman is willing to fund x to do y. If you get your donors to fund x to do y, we will match, get admin, location, etc. done and be supportive'. Athletics says, 'we need University to fund x to get y given the endowment is z.. You do that and we will find donor 1, 2, and 3 to help.' So ends in a stalemate sans someone named Tudor or Patterson to help chip away at a small piece of the larger puzzle to keep things afloat.

SMU just did that what Rice University Admin/BOT wants Rice Athletics to do. Donors said to University, 'we don't care if there is no revenue in ACC. We will fund the deficit. Just get us to a better place at top of athletic food chain.'

Rice donors have the $ but neither the passion/importance, nor confidence in the University to fully commit like SMU is willing to do.

So the chicken/egg game goes on-and-on with both sides waiting for the $ sports product on field to improve which would justify someone (or both) blinking on chicken/egg game. And as many that have been following Rice Athletics for decades know, that relevance of the product on field being the deciding factor is unlikely to happen with the current structural issues, coaches, etc.. Thus nobody blinks to get to a better place and status quo/snails pace improvements happen despite the other peer Universities moving faster around Rice.

Maybe there is a hail mary solution w/ new Pres and AD or bluebird donors like Tilman Fertitta, T Boone, etc. to save the day but seems a bit of Jim Carey, 'so your saying I have a chance' vs. anything more tangible.

So Opera and Top 10 music programs happen to feed on the mojo (think TCU) vs. Top 10 Football/MBB happening

Could turn out to be a brilliant move by SMU, or backfire. But for now, I think we'll see them improve immediately being in the ACC. No brainer for them to give up the revenues for however number of years if the ACC stays mostly intact. Being the only or one of the only (Temple?) teams in G5 that used to be in P5 could help us be next in line. We shouldn't be surprised, actually lucky to at least by in the AAC this year. SMU's academic ranking could also improve with the new visibility in the ACC as we've seen with schools like Duke and Northwestern who improved in the rankings after having headlines from successful sports teams. Rice never saw it that way, stayed behind, but I do like our current President and AD fwiw.

(09-01-2023 12:54 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]Athletes on Cal and Stanford teams will have to travel to the east coast much more than athletes from schools on the east coast will have to travel to the west coast (just 2 schools).

Cal and Stanford student athletes might not like that.

One of the Pac4 AD's, Cal said the thought for baseball is maybe have teams meet in Dallas for an east coast home game!!! if this isn't the most ludicrous statement I've heard it's right at the top. Baseball and other non-revenue sports need to get out of these FB money conferences and form a separate coalition of teams that makes travel reasonable. However, since the "non-revenue" sports depend on the FB money milk I doubt that will happen. It is now no longer about the "student athlete" experience and education it is now "how much money can we squeeze from the media". Biggest load of hypocrites in a world loaded with them.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/16...35116?s=20