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There will be three tiers of NCAA athletics competition soon. The P5 will be diminished into a P2...

1. BIG10, SEC
2. B12, PAC 10, ACC
3. G5

(07-03-2022 08:57 AM)owl40 Wrote: [ -> ]While not top-30, TCU took its USNWR ranking from the consistently in the 300's in 80's/90's to now around 80. I would argue that is due to what it accomplished in making it a big-time Football. Not quite as dramatic but Baylor has gone from mid-100's to around 50/60 today that one could argue is due to its ascendance in all athletics. And Vandy consistently was 10-20 spots below Rice but combo of Rice dropping from 9-12 to 17 and Vandy riding the coattails of the SEC dominance has made the schools peers today. They were not peers when most of the posters here were attending Rice. And while not 100% of the reason, I do think there is greater than 0% reason that Rice's academic ranking has fallen from being in the top-10ish in the 80's due to the decline in Athletics and demise of the SWC.

Bigger picture, we are witnessing the dominoes falling from Texas/OU to UCLA/USC. Just a when vs. if question it consolidates to 64 in four conferences. The wildcard going against this is what happens w/ NIL as smaller P5 schools like Ole Miss (where Lane K has been vocal), Oregon St., Boston College etc. competing against about 25 schools that basically have unlimited resources.

Without a NCAA or other body to regulate spending giving a kid eight-figures, new Lambos, etc, I would not discount the public outrage from many such as small schools at a disadvantage, professors/kids on big athletic campuses of inequality, etc. that could drive government regulation. That could slow down the freight train of $ for the big boys as pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered. And right now the 'collectives' at A&M, USC, Texas, etc. arms race could ironically end-up hurting them in the long run and slow the realignment train down as the $ only focus by a few sours the entire thing that made people love the NCAA and its pride, traditions, school loyalty, etc in first place.. Ultimately pro franchises like Dodgers, Yankees, Lakers, etc. realized they need the A's, Royals, Suns and Bucks to thrive and find some way to govern allocation of $. Leaving it to the wild west of today has a higher probability of more draconian regulations from the government if they can't regulate themselves.

What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

It may happen, but if it did to me that would be a harbinger of a government that has *serious* problems, even more so than actually seemingly is occurring presently.

National defense, FEMA, homeland security, and regulation of college sports. One of those seems horribly out of place, and I hope you would join with me in noting that should it occur.

It's no surprise that there's lots of chatter here on the West Coast about the athletics future of the USC/UCLA-less Pac 12 schools. Will Oregon and Washington be invited into the Big 10? Arizona/Arizona State/Colorado/Utah to the Big 12? Might the Pac-remains want to simply merge with the Big 12? Or would they prefer to stay West Coast and grab some lesser-name regional schools (i.e., San Diego State/Boise State/UNLV)? How about bringing in some Texas schools, maybe even SMU?

The Bay Area's attention to college sports is apparently so weak that Stanford & Cal seem to have no pull at all, which says a lot about the impact of academic reputation and Olympics sports' success on athletics conference affiliation. In the worst case, they could be left out totally in the cold.

On the East Coast, what will happen with the ACC ... especially if Notre Dame decides it's time to move to the Big Ten, and Clemson leaves, too?

We know that in addition to being the father of a Rice athlete, our new president DesRoches was Georgia Tech's faculty rep and vice president of the ACC. I wonder what he might be able to broker for Rice's athletics benefit.

If the Pac 12 and ACC conferences essentially break up totally, might even a Magnolia-like conference with Stanford, Cal, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Georgia Tech (and some others) seem possible/advisable?

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

It may happen, but if it did to me that would be a harbinger of a government that has *serious* problems, even more so than actually seemingly is occurring presently.

National defense, FEMA, homeland security, and regulation of college sports. One of those seems horribly out of place, and I hope you would join with me in noting that should it occur.

I suspect there is no shortage of folks who would be eager to legislate that a particular person "has no business" having a Lamborghini, etc.

The PAC 10 and B12 need to merge. It's the only thing that makes sense for both of them. They're equals. Consolidate all of that inventory under one umbrella. It's the only move that gives both entities the muscle to go up against the B10 and SEC, which are trying to expand to 20 members each.

(07-03-2022 01:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

It may happen, but if it did to me that would be a harbinger of a government that has *serious* problems, even more so than actually seemingly is occurring presently.

National defense, FEMA, homeland security, and regulation of college sports. One of those seems horribly out of place, and I hope you would join with me in noting that should it occur.

I suspect there is no shortage of folks who would be eager to legislate that a particular person "has no business" having a Lamborghini, etc.

Nobody needs a Lamborghini to go to the grocery store.

[quote='Almadenmike' pid='18303694' dateline='1656870370'
If the Pac 12 and ACC conferences essentially break up totally, might even a Magnolia-like conference with Stanford, Cal, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Georgia Tech (and some others) seem possible/advisable?
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SAT conference would be fun, but Rice still has the same issue. The Owls have to play much better, much more consistently. Otherwise, conference really doesn’t matter.

A lot of people are calling the LIV Golf Tour the Saudi Golf Tour.

I think I will call the SEC and Big 10 the Saudi Football League. Don't be surprised if the SEC snaps up Clemson, Florida State, Miami and one more (Louisville?) in the very near future.

(07-03-2022 02:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 01:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

It may happen, but if it did to me that would be a harbinger of a government that has *serious* problems, even more so than actually seemingly is occurring presently.

National defense, FEMA, homeland security, and regulation of college sports. One of those seems horribly out of place, and I hope you would join with me in noting that should it occur.

I suspect there is no shortage of folks who would be eager to legislate that a particular person "has no business" having a Lamborghini, etc.

Nobody needs a Lamborghini to go to the grocery store.

Fact check:
Company is arriving in an hour.
The cake takes 30 minutes to bake.
The grocery store is 20 miles away.

Preheat the oven and hop in the Lambo

(07-03-2022 09:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 02:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 01:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

It may happen, but if it did to me that would be a harbinger of a government that has *serious* problems, even more so than actually seemingly is occurring presently.

National defense, FEMA, homeland security, and regulation of college sports. One of those seems horribly out of place, and I hope you would join with me in noting that should it occur.

I suspect there is no shortage of folks who would be eager to legislate that a particular person "has no business" having a Lamborghini, etc.

Nobody needs a Lamborghini to go to the grocery store.

Fact check:
Company is arriving in an hour.
The cake takes 30 minutes to bake.
The grocery store is 20 miles away.

Preheat the oven and hop in the Lambo

Star athletes don't bake their own cakes.

Latest rumors: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado in talks to join the Big 12. Perhaps Notre Dame and Stanford for the Big 10? Oregon and Washington to Big 10 as the alternative.

(07-04-2022 12:23 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: [ -> ]Latest rumors: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado in talks to join the Big 12. Perhaps Notre Dame and Stanford for the Big 10? Oregon and Washington to Big 10 as the alternative.

Another rumor out of the San Jose Mercury News....

SDSU and CSUF to the Pac12 South in place of USC and UCLA

I know you mean Fresno State, but I have never heard them using the CSUF abbreviation. That's always been Fullerton (California State University at Fullerton). But I am certain they are not getting an invitation to the Pac12 South (Fullerton - I kind of doubt Fresno would either but they certainly have more of a shot than Fullerton).

(07-04-2022 01:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I know you mean Fresno State, but I have never heard them using the CSUF abbreviation. That's always been Fullerton (California State University at Fullerton). But I am certain they are not getting an invitation to the Pac12 South (Fullerton - I kind of doubt Fresno would either but they certainly have more of a shot than Fullerton).

Sorry
Yes it is Fresno State and San Diego State. Just my CA upbringing. CA unified the naming years ago. Fresno State is officially California State University Fresno and Fullerton is officially California State University Fullerton. So they both are technically CSUF but Fullerton disbanded football years ago. Much like Long Beach which is officially California State University Long Beach; those universities go by Fresno State, Fullerton State and Long Beach State with FSU generally referring to Fresno State. San Diego State actually petitioned to make their official name San Diego State University which was granted. The other California State School to get a waiver was San Jose State University, SJSU and not CSUSJ. As a side note, Cal Poly, football playing CA state school is another that goes mostly by their unofficial name. There are 2 Cal Polys but only 1 football playing school. Cal Poly is the common name for California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo but sometimes goes by Cal Poly SLO to differentiate it from Cal Poly Pomona which doesn't play D1 football. But like you, I don't see them getting into the Pac 12. However, San Diego State is one of the few CSU schools that can grant doctorate degrees so it has a higher academic standing for a CSU school. The UC system traditionally was the doctorate Universities

(07-04-2022 12:23 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: [ -> ]Latest rumors: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado in talks to join the Big 12. Perhaps Notre Dame and Stanford for the Big 10? Oregon and Washington to Big 10 as the alternative.

The rumour I heard was that Oregon (Nike U) and Washington (B$U) would join the BIG10.

Apparently no one wants Cal, Oregon State, or Washington State.

Stanford on the outside looking in probably wasn't anticipated, at least not by Stanford?

Maybe a 'good' (?) bet would be Oregon and Stanford joining the BIG10?

(07-05-2022 07:23 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2022 12:23 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: [ -> ]Latest rumors: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado in talks to join the Big 12. Perhaps Notre Dame and Stanford for the Big 10? Oregon and Washington to Big 10 as the alternative.

The rumour I heard was that Oregon (Nike U) and Washington (B$U) would join the BIG10.

Apparently no one wants Cal, Oregon State, or Washington State.

Stanford on the outside looking in probably wasn't anticipated, at least not by Stanford?

Maybe a 'good' (?) bet would be Oregon and Stanford joining the BIG10?

Stanford could easily end up with their best option being the MWC. Wild times for sure.

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

Anti-Trust? As they did for professional sports?

Let's face it, that's what these schools are now.

(07-05-2022 04:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

Anti-Trust? As they did for professional sports?

Let's face it, that's what these schools are now.

Anti-Trust is what came to my mind. The government likes to break up monopolies and inequitable market share control. The Mega Conferences are circumventing the original court ruling which lets INDIVIDUAL schools market their rights. What the conferences are doing is acting as a broker of pooled individual assets/market value. So, you have individuals joining an association to collude together to price fix. They do it by acquiring assets and market share. They are also increasing the size of the market which creates a greater percentage of the market controlled by associations. It is further complicated since many of the universities are subsidized by the government. For example, if the SEC and Big10 each get $1B for selling their collective rights and the Pac12 ceases to exist and the ACC and Big 12 only get $10M each, then the SEC/Big10 have acquired over 90% of the rights revenue by exclusively including more valuable assets and excluding less valuable assets despite the majority of the assets receiving governmental subsidies and fielding an asset within the revenue market. In other words, Anti-Trust issues due to inequitable business revenue due to collusion and unfair business mergers and practices.

(07-05-2022 04:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

Anti-Trust? As they did for professional sports?

Let's face it, that's what these schools are now.

Well, if the federal government treated college athletics as the commercial enterprise it is then that would call into question the idea of (tax deductible) 'charitable contributions'. And it wouldn't be limited to contributions for the athletic programs unless they legally separated themselves from the educational institutions they 'represent'. University and athletic funds are pretty much comingled except possibly from a legal sense. There would still be a fair amount of excess, but not as much as there is now and not as widespread (imho).

(07-06-2022 06:08 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2022 04:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2022 11:04 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]What reasonable rationale could a government ever have to impose legal sanctions?

Anti-Trust? As they did for professional sports?

Let's face it, that's what these schools are now.

Well, if the federal government treated college athletics as the commercial enterprise it is then that would call into question the idea of (tax deductible) 'charitable contributions'. And it wouldn't be limited to contributions for the athletic programs unless they legally separated themselves from the educational institutions they 'represent'. University and athletic funds are pretty much comingled except possibly from a legal sense. There would still be a fair amount of excess, but not as much as there is now and not as widespread (imho).

Sure would love to see UT hauled into court for tax evasion.