not trying to derail the thread... but I saw this today....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/h...r-AA1fo08O
If you read it, it seems that the NFL is trying to do what basketball did before...
Now imagine you get 5 years f development and then tie a world class educational opportunity as the 'fall back' if you don't make it.
(08-18-2023 08:04 AM)temchugh Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.si.com/college/georgiatech/f...oming-soon
Stanford (and SMU) still pushing hard for ACC invite.
Still don't think it very likely to happen, but I'd take Stanford, Berkeley, SMU and Rice (as a travel partner) going to the A
CC as opposed to staying where we are. At least we'd be aligned with the right schools in the east when the ACC gets raided and/or breaks up. Then we could pick up say Tulane and/or Navy at that point with the remnants of the A
CC and have a decent conference. Meantime, barring the above, best bet seems to be to stay in the A
AC for now. Participating in any other "rebuild" of the now-G5 PAC still looks foolhardy and a path to further irrelevance, on the way to being left behind by those who would bring us (Stanford) and then we'd have to beg the current CUSA or WAC to take us. Not a good choice at all.
This time around, Stanford is offering revenue concessions to the ACC. It might work.
PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
(08-18-2023 10:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
True, BUT the AAC with the Pac-4 is close to being a P5. Would not be all that different from the Big12, and offers the networks 3 of the 4 time zones.
(08-18-2023 03:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 10:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
True, BUT the AAC with the Pac-4 is close to being a P5. Would not be all that different from the Big12, and offers the networks 3 of the 4 time zones.
The math checks out on the PAC losing 8 and replacing with 14 to maintain power status.
Big 12 lost two and replaced with four from outside the traditional power conferences and maintained status.
AAC lost three and replaced with six to maintain their media deal intact.
If you lose n of a certain level, replace with 2*n of the next level and you’re good.
Let’s see if the networks agree with my math.
CFP committee meets August 30 and might have something to say about PAC status moving forward. That’s one reason OSU/WSU are trying to hurry Stanford along to poop or get off the pot.
(08-18-2023 04:19 PM)BillyD Wrote: [ -> ]A football stand alone organization outside the NCAA?
https://www.knightcommission.org/2023/08...t-17-2023/
Really this is likely the only way to go. Football is the golden goose and they will always do what's best monetarily for them with no consideration for the other D1 sports (travel issues etc.). However, the media dollars for each school need to go towards supporting the non-revenue sports for Title IX compliance. I was unaware that the NCAA gets ZERO from the CFP. Split football and then create conference alignment for other sports.
(08-18-2023 04:42 PM)Musicowl1965 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 04:19 PM)BillyD Wrote: [ -> ]A football stand alone organization outside the NCAA?
https://www.knightcommission.org/2023/08...t-17-2023/
Really this is likely the only way to go. Football is the golden goose and they will always do what's best monetarily for them with no consideration for the other D1 sports (travel issues etc.). However, the media dollars for each school need to go towards supporting the non-revenue sports for Title IX compliance. I was unaware that the NCAA gets ZERO from the CFP. Split football and then create conference alignment for other sports.
https://businessofcollegesports.com/coll...f-payouts/
Some of the FCS gets a comparatively paltry amount of the money (each team in the NY6 gets almost as much for a travel stipend as the entire FCS share). I could have sworn that barely material amounts trickled down to all of D-II and D-III football (like, single-digit thousands per school per year in D-II and less in D-III small), but maybe that's out dated or for basketball.
(08-19-2023 09:33 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:C.W. Lambert
@InsideTheBig12
ACC said no to StanCal yesterday. They don’t have the votes.
Cue Jefferson and Madison…
(08-18-2023 03:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 10:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
True, BUT the AAC with the Pac-4 is close to being a P5. Would not be all that different from the Big12, and offers the networks 3 of the 4 time zones.
The worst Big 12 schools are better than the best AAC schools. Performance and GameDay atmosphere.
(08-20-2023 05:35 PM)Cougar Bruiser Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 03:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 10:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
True, BUT the AAC with the Pac-4 is close to being a P5. Would not be all that different from the Big12, and offers the networks 3 of the 4 time zones.
The worst Big 12 schools are better than the best AAC schools. Performance and GameDay atmosphere.
That's absolutely not true...and would be even less true if the Pac-4 joined the AAC.
(08-18-2023 03:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-18-2023 10:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is not a p5 conference... AAC, even with Stanford and Cal isn't. That's why they want the ACC invite. We should as well.... but I doubt it comes to any of us.
True, BUT the AAC with the Pac-4 is close to being a P5. Would not be all that different from the Big12, and offers the networks 3 of the 4 time zones.
Agree with this... I would also say the Big12 isn't a p5/4/3/2/1 conference anymore either.
(08-18-2023 04:19 PM)BillyD Wrote: [ -> ]A football stand alone organization outside the NCAA?
https://www.knightcommission.org/2023/08...t-17-2023/
This is a little dissimilar from what i have suggested, but not a lot. Let 'conferences' (which are regional alliances and foster in person student and fan attendance) run most sports and let the big dollars of minor-league football (not Amateur Athletics) stand apart.
Throw on top of this that paid football like that is not at all an academic pursuit and in fact, the attainment of a degree is now somewhat antithetical to the mission of that new organization... and that basketball likely follows.... and suddenly you perhaps have 'real' student teams in the NCAA and 'contracted' teams that are sponsored by the University, but really otherwise have no affiliation to them.... sort of like the basketball pep band.
I mean, how long before someone who doesn't get financial aid sues a school for providing financial aid to a series of 'students' who are being paid tens of thousands of dollars on top of their scholarships and never graduate or mostly not even attend class???
(08-21-2023 01:07 PM)BillyD Wrote: [ -> ]The finish line keeps moving.
https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/169...kLvtA&s=19
This can't play out much longer. Crazy amount of things to do for a Fall 2024 start (of whatever) ... and I'm guessing they want some resolution before football gets going.
Quote:THE SWAIM SHOW
@GSwaim
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BREAKING NEWS: The #ACC is going to add #Stanford, #CalBears and #SMU. Desperate situations call for extremely desperate measures, as they're each basically buying their way in. Additionally #Wazzu and the #Beavs will become the first P5's to drop to G5, err P4 to G6, I mean!!
Apparently, with the 3 joining, ESPN provides the ACC with $72MM incremental annual revenues ($27 x 3). However, with SMU waiving their share for at least the next 7 years, and with Stanford and Cal splitting one share ($27MM), that means the conference has another $55MM annually distributed among remaining schools; likely via athletic-performance incentives.
(08-23-2023 07:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:THE SWAIM SHOW
@GSwaim
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2h
BREAKING NEWS: The #ACC is going to add #Stanford, #CalBears and #SMU. Desperate situations call for extremely desperate measures, as they're each basically buying their way in. Additionally #Wazzu and the #Beavs will become the first P5's to drop to G5, err P4 to G6, I mean!!
Apparently, with the 3 joining, ESPN provides the ACC with $72MM incremental annual revenues ($27 x 3). However, with SMU waiving their share for at least the next 7 years, and with Stanford and Cal splitting one share ($27MM), that means the conference has another $55MM annually distributed among remaining schools; likely via athletic-performance incentives.
So we're going to get one year of SMU and then back to being markedly below all of our former SWC peers (unless you consider SMU absolutely prostituting themselves to the ACC as not better than their status quo).
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