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(09-03-2021 10:53 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:47 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:36 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:17 AM)Viejobuho Wrote: [ -> ]According to Chronicle, UH to Big 12 all but set.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...432110.php

This is just a gut shot. After that happens I believe we will be the only former school of a P5 conference to still be in the minor leagues.

Such an incredible Fail by the adminstration. A 40-year slow motion train wreck.

We need to commit- really commit- to winning and make ourselves attractive to a conference. That could start with beating Arkansas and winning CUSA this year, but it will take so much more than that. Where is the institutional will?

Where is the institutional will? Lacking. It probably started long before I was aware of Rice, but it certainly manifested itself in a president's search committee that pulled an academic who was a law school dean at a school that may value athletics less than any other school in the country. No, that wasn't the dagger, but when we were foundering in deep water, the lifeline thrown there was tied to a cement block. The continued spiral down was an inevitable by-product of that choice.

But to play Devil’s Advocate…has the ranking and reputation of Rice as an academic institution risen under Leebron?

Has it? If so, great and he is a brilliant academician, so there may be credit due for that.

Does anyone know what we were ranked in the USNR rankings the year before he came, and where we rank, this year? I know people do not love that ranking system, but it is the most accepted one I know of.
(09-03-2021 11:21 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:53 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:47 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:36 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:17 AM)Viejobuho Wrote: [ -> ]According to Chronicle, UH to Big 12 all but set.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...432110.php

This is just a gut shot. After that happens I believe we will be the only former school of a P5 conference to still be in the minor leagues.

Such an incredible Fail by the adminstration. A 40-year slow motion train wreck.

We need to commit- really commit- to winning and make ourselves attractive to a conference. That could start with beating Arkansas and winning CUSA this year, but it will take so much more than that. Where is the institutional will?

Where is the institutional will? Lacking. It probably started long before I was aware of Rice, but it certainly manifested itself in a president's search committee that pulled an academic who was a law school dean at a school that may value athletics less than any other school in the country. No, that wasn't the dagger, but when we were foundering in deep water, the lifeline thrown there was tied to a cement block. The continued spiral down was an inevitable by-product of that choice.

But to play Devil’s Advocate…has the ranking and reputation of Rice as an academic institution risen under Leebron?

Has it? If so, great and he is a brilliant academician, so there may be credit due for that.

Does anyone know what we were ranked in the USNR rankings the year before he came, and where we rank, this year? I know people do not love that ranking system, but it is the most accepted one I know of.

I believe we were #8 in 1987/88
(09-03-2021 11:22 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:21 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:53 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:47 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:36 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]This is just a gut shot. After that happens I believe we will be the only former school of a P5 conference to still be in the minor leagues.

Such an incredible Fail by the adminstration. A 40-year slow motion train wreck.

We need to commit- really commit- to winning and make ourselves attractive to a conference. That could start with beating Arkansas and winning CUSA this year, but it will take so much more than that. Where is the institutional will?

Where is the institutional will? Lacking. It probably started long before I was aware of Rice, but it certainly manifested itself in a president's search committee that pulled an academic who was a law school dean at a school that may value athletics less than any other school in the country. No, that wasn't the dagger, but when we were foundering in deep water, the lifeline thrown there was tied to a cement block. The continued spiral down was an inevitable by-product of that choice.

But to play Devil’s Advocate…has the ranking and reputation of Rice as an academic institution risen under Leebron?

Has it? If so, great and he is a brilliant academician, so there may be credit due for that.

Does anyone know what we were ranked in the USNR rankings the year before he came, and where we rank, this year? I know people do not love that ranking system, but it is the most accepted one I know of.

I believe we were #8 in 1987/88

We are tied for 16th this year, so that is a drop since 87/88, but Leebron was not here then.
(09-03-2021 11:24 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:22 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:21 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:53 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:47 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Where is the institutional will? Lacking. It probably started long before I was aware of Rice, but it certainly manifested itself in a president's search committee that pulled an academic who was a law school dean at a school that may value athletics less than any other school in the country. No, that wasn't the dagger, but when we were foundering in deep water, the lifeline thrown there was tied to a cement block. The continued spiral down was an inevitable by-product of that choice.

But to play Devil’s Advocate…has the ranking and reputation of Rice as an academic institution risen under Leebron?

Has it? If so, great and he is a brilliant academician, so there may be credit due for that.

Does anyone know what we were ranked in the USNR rankings the year before he came, and where we rank, this year? I know people do not love that ranking system, but it is the most accepted one I know of.

I believe we were #8 in 1987/88

We are tied for 16th this year, so that is a drop since 87/88, but Leebron was not here then.

I thought Tiki's posting may have been with a bit of sarcasm, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Here's a site that tracked things through 2007, which should get you the beginning for Leebron.

https://publicuniversityhonors.com/tag/u...-rankings/
(09-03-2021 11:58 AM)gsloth Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:24 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:22 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 11:21 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:53 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: [ -> ]But to play Devil’s Advocate…has the ranking and reputation of Rice as an academic institution risen under Leebron?

Has it? If so, great and he is a brilliant academician, so there may be credit due for that.

Does anyone know what we were ranked in the USNR rankings the year before he came, and where we rank, this year? I know people do not love that ranking system, but it is the most accepted one I know of.

I believe we were #8 in 1987/88

We are tied for 16th this year, so that is a drop since 87/88, but Leebron was not here then.

I thought Tiki's posting may have been with a bit of sarcasm, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Here's a site that tracked things through 2007, which should get you the beginning for Leebron.

https://publicuniversityhonors.com/tag/u...-rankings/

He didn't have his sarcasm font on, so it may have fooled me.

That was a great chart; thank-you. We were 17th in 2007 and tied for 16/17th now, so no, Leebron did not see an enhancement of our academic reputation.
(09-03-2021 11:17 AM)franklyconfused Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 10:36 AM)Middle Ages Wrote: [ -> ]After that happens I believe we will be the only former school of a P5 conference to still be in the minor leagues.
Edit- forgot about SMU. They are much better positioned than us at the moment, but they are still stuck in the wilderness as well

There's also three-time SEC champion Tulane and arguably former Big East castaways Temple and South Florida. It also remains to be seen how much longer this new Big XII will command enough respect from the other major conferences to stay in the club. I wouldn't be surprised if the next NY6 rights negotiation drops their guaranteed Sugar Bowl bid for another at-large spot.

I would include Temple-they were in the Big East with Miami, Virginia Tech, BC, Pitt, WVU, etc in the early 2000’s when it was a good conference.

I would exclude South Florida… They only made it to the Big East after it began to fall apart.
But JK is friends with Bob Bowlsby’s son! You mean that won’t get us an invite!?

Leebron is the biggest idiot ever for extending him.
The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster. Someone better be calling the MWC, because CUSA is about to get even weaker.

Karlgaard was hired seven years ago to prepare our athletics programs for this day. In that regard, he has not done his job!
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.
Assuming UT and OU leave early for the SEC, and the Big 12 remains at 12 teams; it would be interesting to see who UH's travel partner will be for basketball.

I'd pair BYU with Texas Tech, Iowa State and Oklahoma State, the two Kansas schools, TCU and Baylor, and West Virginia and Cincinnati. That leaves the odd pairing of Houston and Central Florida.
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.


New Mexico State
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Arkansas State
ULM
Louisiana Lafayette
South Alabama
Rice
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.

The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.
(09-03-2021 03:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.

The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.

The AAC won't waste their time with us. We wish. They want schools that can compete, and who are committed to winning. The only viable option out I can see is the MWC. They discussed adding Rice before. Maybe this time they extend an invitation. It's too much travel, but it's a great G5 conference, and a better option than CUSA-Sunbelt without Louisiana Tech and Southern Mississippi. Hell I don't know. I'm distraught over all this.
(09-03-2021 03:59 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 12:48 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]The lowly AAC, without it's top three programs, isn't even interested in Rice. What a disaster.

Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.

The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.

The AAC won't waste their time with us. We wish. They want schools that can compete, and who are committed to winning. The only viable option out I can see is the MWC. They discussed adding Rice before. Maybe this time they extend an invitation. It's too much travel, but it's a great G5 conference, and a better option than CUSA-Sunbelt without Louisiana Tech and Southern Mississippi. Hell I don't know. I'm distraught over all this.

I don’t blame you for being distraught. We took a period of dislocation and opportunity for advancement and will apparently end up somewhere down market.
(09-03-2021 04:06 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:59 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I am not interested in the AAC without its top three programs.

I am tired of debating which leaky lifeboat we want to get into.

I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.

The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.

The AAC won't waste their time with us. We wish. They want schools that can compete, and who are committed to winning. The only viable option out I can see is the MWC. They discussed adding Rice before. Maybe this time they extend an invitation. It's too much travel, but it's a great G5 conference, and a better option than CUSA-Sunbelt without Louisiana Tech and Southern Mississippi. Hell I don't know. I'm distraught over all this.

I don’t blame you for being distraught. We took a period of dislocation and opportunity for advancement and will apparently end up somewhere down market.

We just keep sinking lower and lower down the food chain.
(09-03-2021 04:11 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 04:06 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:59 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’d say the leaky lifeboat AAC (with Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa) is better than leaky lifeboat C-USA (once UAB and others depart for the AAC without us) or leaky lifeboat CUSA-Belt West which might find us falling to a conference with ULM, Texas State and South Alabama.

The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.

The AAC won't waste their time with us. We wish. They want schools that can compete, and who are committed to winning. The only viable option out I can see is the MWC. They discussed adding Rice before. Maybe this time they extend an invitation. It's too much travel, but it's a great G5 conference, and a better option than CUSA-Sunbelt without Louisiana Tech and Southern Mississippi. Hell I don't know. I'm distraught over all this.

I don’t blame you for being distraught. We took a period of dislocation and opportunity for advancement and will apparently end up somewhere down market.

We just keep sinking lower and lower down the food chain.

The good news is this puts us at about worm level, so there isn’t room to fall far from here.
(09-03-2021 04:12 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 04:11 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 04:06 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:59 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2021 03:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC without UCF, Cincy and UH is still far better than the current CUSA. Memphis is still there, correct? And I would imagine that UAB and Southern Miss would be the first CUSA programs invited by the AAC. IMO, that would make far more sense for us, if invited, versus the MWC. Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USM are all solid rivals.

The AAC won't waste their time with us. We wish. They want schools that can compete, and who are committed to winning. The only viable option out I can see is the MWC. They discussed adding Rice before. Maybe this time they extend an invitation. It's too much travel, but it's a great G5 conference, and a better option than CUSA-Sunbelt without Louisiana Tech and Southern Mississippi. Hell I don't know. I'm distraught over all this.

I don’t blame you for being distraught. We took a period of dislocation and opportunity for advancement and will apparently end up somewhere down market.

We just keep sinking lower and lower down the food chain.

The good news is this puts us at about worm level, so there isn’t room to fall far from here.

LOL! We'll find a way!
Interesting Andre Ware (UH Alum) on ESPN considers this a lateral move for the schools going to the Little 12. He said it is way to early to change conferences and UH had a good chance to join Pac 12 if being a little patient to include the Houston market. Who knows maybe Rice has a chance for PAC 12.
For what it's worth*, on the conference realignment board, Rice and UAB are close to the consensus top two picks to go to the AAC. Others are Army football only, and Marshall or ODU in the east.

OTOH, on the AAC board almost no one mentions Rice. Of course, that board is still in denial that the AAC isn't about to overtake the "L8" as a power conference.


*Not much.
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