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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 06:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (11-14-2019 05:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:22 PM)PizzaTiger Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.
Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.
I posted this on Facebook last week and got blasted. I guess living in Arkansas, I kinda expected it. lol.
I’m sure this will rile up a few of you.....
Arkansas is now in the midst of a national coaching search. Again. When this search is complete, within 24 months, Arkansas will have had 2 Basketball Coaches, 3 Athletic Directors (1 interim) and 5 football coaches that coached games. (3 heads and 2 interims). The university has fired every single one of them. As a matter of fact, they have fired every single football and basketball coach since joining the SEC in 1992. They currently are on the hook for over 35 million in buyouts, and have already quit paying Bret Bielema’s 11.9 million dollar buyout that will sure end in a court battle over his current compensation with the NE Patriots. They currently owe 179 million in bond issues on the stadium expansion that they don’t have the money to pay for right now. Money isn’t just sitting in a vault waiting to be spent.
So, not only are you in the toughest division of college football, but you are in a conference that you have never really succeeded in. Since joining the SEC in 1992, the Hogs are 93-159-2 in conference games. 36%. That’s it. They have winning records against only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina since joining the conference. Possibly the bottom two teams of each division. So, in short, they have never really had success, with the pure exception of a couple Petrino years where he was 6-2 in conference.
So my question..... if you were an up and coming coach with a bright future, why would you take that job unless you are ready to retire? History says you will be looking for another job in the near future. In defense, They have sure supplemented a few IRAs of late, though.
Folks try to point out reality & the Hogs can't see it. Interesting that UTK is also headed in that direction too & also in denial. UTK's only hope is that UK & MO slide in a weaker SEC East as they have not shown an ability to compete or recruit with UGA or UF - are currently below both UK & MO (2018 final standings as I recall).
I personally dont like talking about other programs like that because I HATE it when people talk about Memphis that way. So do you and every other Tigers fan. After Calipari I can guarantee we have all heard it 1000s of times. Hell even one of our coaches who made 3mil a year said "This isnt the Memphis from 10 years ago, Memphis kids don't want to play here."
But, we have 30 players from the Memphis area. What team has more?
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 03:24 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:47 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Interesting. I did not know that.
Because that is not true... He definitely interviewed with them and more than once. The last did not go well for either party and both left with a bad taste in their mouth but basically the entire administration that hired Morris is now gone at Arkansas.
Didn't a rumor come out...something to the effect that there was "something" in Norvell's background that Arkansas passed on?
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
you just described Ole Prius, UT, Vandy, South Carolina, Arkansas, UK (this year anyway), Missouri and Missississippi State this year...so uh yeah.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 08:49 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:24 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:47 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Interesting. I did not know that.
Because that is not true... He definitely interviewed with them and more than once. The last did not go well for either party and both left with a bad taste in their mouth but basically the entire administration that hired Morris is now gone at Arkansas.
Didn't a rumor come out...something to the effect that there was "something" in Norvell's background that Arkansas passed on?
That is what I remember. I dont remember hearing Norvell passed on them, but Arkansas passed on him. But, I certainly don't know myself, only what was being said at the time.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
It's odd to me that neither our coach or AD has said ANYTHING. You usually get the BS denials that everyone knows is meaningless. When it's completely crickets-quiet, it seems to mean the sides are working on an extension. Of course, if they have said something and I've missed it, kindly disregard ha.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
I found this interesting; I didnt know Norvell had a buyout (or at least a major one), but this article mentions it at over $6million.
Mike Norvell, Memphis Head Coach
The former wide receiver at UCA was mentioned strongly for the Arkansas job in 2017 when Morris was hired. Norvell has his team 8-1 this season including a big win in Memphis over previously unbeaten SMU. Memphis was 8-5 in 2016, 10-3 in 2017 and then 8-6 last fall. Norvell is making $2,660,000 per season at Memphis and has a buyout of $6.748 million. He is the youngest of this group of candidates as he turned 38 on Oct. 11. Norvell will be mentioned strongly as well if either of the Mississippi schools makes a coaching change following the season and even could emerge as a candidate at Florida State and any other school that has an opening.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-t...ted-11-12/
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 09:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: I found this interesting; I didnt know Norvell had a buyout (or at least a major one), but this article mentions it at over $6million.
Mike Norvell, Memphis Head Coach
The former wide receiver at UCA was mentioned strongly for the Arkansas job in 2017 when Morris was hired. Norvell has his team 8-1 this season including a big win in Memphis over previously unbeaten SMU. Memphis was 8-5 in 2016, 10-3 in 2017 and then 8-6 last fall. Norvell is making $2,660,000 per season at Memphis and has a buyout of $6.748 million. He is the youngest of this group of candidates as he turned 38 on Oct. 11. Norvell will be mentioned strongly as well if either of the Mississippi schools makes a coaching change following the season and even could emerge as a candidate at Florida State and any other school that has an opening.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-t...ted-11-12/
$500,000 is the buyout that was reported each time his contract has been negotiated I'm pretty sure the $6million is wrong....
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 10:08 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: (11-14-2019 09:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: I found this interesting; I didnt know Norvell had a buyout (or at least a major one), but this article mentions it at over $6million.
Mike Norvell, Memphis Head Coach
The former wide receiver at UCA was mentioned strongly for the Arkansas job in 2017 when Morris was hired. Norvell has his team 8-1 this season including a big win in Memphis over previously unbeaten SMU. Memphis was 8-5 in 2016, 10-3 in 2017 and then 8-6 last fall. Norvell is making $2,660,000 per season at Memphis and has a buyout of $6.748 million. He is the youngest of this group of candidates as he turned 38 on Oct. 11. Norvell will be mentioned strongly as well if either of the Mississippi schools makes a coaching change following the season and even could emerge as a candidate at Florida State and any other school that has an opening.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-t...ted-11-12/
$500,000 is the buyout that was reported each time his contract has been negotiated I'm pretty sure the $6million is wrong....
$6.748 is probably our buyout to fire him and then it is reduced annually by his salary for that year.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 08:53 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
you just described Ole Prius, UT, Vandy, South Carolina, Arkansas, UK (this year anyway), Missouri and Missississippi State this year...so uh yeah.
Yup. And they badgered him about it in an interview and he did not appreciate being asked about it several times which he expressed and they in turn did not appreciate how he reacted... And at the end of the day Jerry Jones pretty much insisted on Chad Morris.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 08:53 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
you just described Ole Prius, UT, Vandy, South Carolina, Arkansas, UK (this year anyway), Missouri and Missississippi State this year...so uh yeah.
True, and if you're really good, you do NOT win a national title there (Fullmer did last century at UT), but move on to greener pastures,
Ole Miss => Tuberville went to Auburn, others were fired (and Cutcliffe went to Duke and Orgeron to LSU);
Misstake=> Mullen went to the Gators, others were fired;
Arkansas => Nutt went to Ole Miss (just in front of the posse), Petrino left for the NFL, others were fired;
South Carolina=> probably the cushiest job out there. Holtz and Spurrier both got to retire. Brad Scott and Muschamp (likely) got fired.
Vandy=> James Franklin went to Penn State, others got fired.
UK=> Rich Brooks retired, others got fired;
Mizzou=> Gary Pinkel was a great coach and for an incredibly long time (15 seasons) and was allowed to retire.
UT=> Kiffin left for USC, everyone else was fired.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 08:56 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (11-14-2019 08:49 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:24 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:47 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Interesting. I did not know that.
Because that is not true... He definitely interviewed with them and more than once. The last did not go well for either party and both left with a bad taste in their mouth but basically the entire administration that hired Morris is now gone at Arkansas.
Didn't a rumor come out...something to the effect that there was "something" in Norvell's background that Arkansas passed on?
That is what I remember. I dont remember hearing Norvell passed on them, but Arkansas passed on him. But, I certainly don't know myself, only what was being said at the time.
I was hearing about these rumors on PAPN not even a month ago. And then when Morris got fired heard 0 about them since. This week they heavily implied Skip Holtz would be at Arky.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-15-2019 01:01 AM)ddramone Wrote: (11-14-2019 08:53 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
you just described Ole Prius, UT, Vandy, South Carolina, Arkansas, UK (this year anyway), Missouri and Missississippi State this year...so uh yeah.
True, and if you're really good, you do NOT win a national title there (Fullmer did last century at UT), but move on to greener pastures,
Ole Miss => Tuberville went to Auburn, others were fired (and Cutcliffe went to Duke and Orgeron to LSU);
Misstake=> Mullen went to the Gators, others were fired;
Arkansas => Nutt went to Ole Miss (just in front of the posse), Petrino left for the NFL, others were fired;
South Carolina=> probably the cushiest job out there. Holtz and Spurrier both got to retire. Brad Scott and Muschamp (likely) got fired.
Vandy=> James Franklin went to Penn State, others got fired.
UK=> Rich Brooks retired, others got fired;
Mizzou=> Gary Pinkel was a great coach and for an incredibly long time (15 seasons) and was allowed to retire.
UT=> Kiffin left for USC, everyone else was fired.
Petrino did not leave for the NFL, he came from the Falcons to AR. He was fired (biggest mistake AR made) for giving his mistress a job and lying to Long about the affair...
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
See. That right there tells you that you do have expectations that are too high.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
No, it means in your own "selected" years of PEAK performance you were essentially .500 in conference play--meaning your best years generally rendered you incapable of challenging for a division title.
And, sure, if you schedule four patsies a year to pad your mediocre conference performance, that gets old quickly to the fanbase.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-15-2019 10:14 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
See. That right there tells you that you do have expectations that are too high.
Which part? We have a double digit lead over A&M in the series. Before Bielema and Morris brought the worst stretch in our history, Auburn led the series against us 12-10 (a whole two games). LSU was 8-6 against Nutt and Petrino (again, a whole two games) and even Bielema blew them out a couple of times. They of course win more against us than we win against them because they are better programs but some act like we shouldn't/don't ever beat them when that's just not the case. All I said is we win every now and then unlike we do against Alabama. 4 of the last 5 games against A&M have gone into overtime so they don't blow us off the field either. Again, a good coach wins some of those games (i.e. not Bielema or Morris).
(11-15-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
No, it means in your own "selected" years of PEAK performance you were essentially .500 in conference play--meaning your best years generally rendered you incapable of challenging for a division title.
We're always going to yo-yo as a program just due to the volatile recruiting base but our best years in the SEC have led to division titles and top 10 finishes. I'm not sure how you can say we're incapable of doing it when it has been done before. We even won the division sooner than A&M has after we joined the conference. Now, usually when we have really good years we have bad years a year or two after because it's hard to be consistent with it here. But the same can be said for most programs who aren't blue bloods. 10 years ago Clemson and Arkansas were very similar programs. Look what a great coach has done there. Not saying we can be Clemson but things can change in the college football landscape very quickly.
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RE: Chad Morris fired at Arkansas
(11-15-2019 03:39 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-15-2019 10:14 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote: AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.
No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
See. That right there tells you that you do have expectations that are too high.
Which part? We have a double digit lead over A&M in the series. Before Bielema and Morris brought the worst stretch in our history, Auburn led the series against us 12-10 (a whole two games). LSU was 8-6 against Nutt and Petrino (again, a whole two games) and even Bielema blew them out a couple of times. They of course win more against us than we win against them because they are better programs but some act like we shouldn't/don't ever beat them when that's just not the case. All I said is we win every now and then unlike we do against Alabama. 4 of the last 5 games against A&M have gone into overtime so they don't blow us off the field either. Again, a good coach wins some of those games (i.e. not Bielema or Morris).
(11-15-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 06:45 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: (11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote: No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.
You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.
Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.
Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year
So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.
No, it means in your own "selected" years of PEAK performance you were essentially .500 in conference play--meaning your best years generally rendered you incapable of challenging for a division title.
We're always going to yo-yo as a program just due to the volatile recruiting base but our best years in the SEC have led to division titles and top 10 finishes. I'm not sure how you can say we're incapable of doing it when it has been done before. We even won the division sooner than A&M has after we joined the conference. Now, usually when we have really good years we have bad years a year or two after because it's hard to be consistent with it here. But the same can be said for most programs who aren't blue bloods. 10 years ago Clemson and Arkansas were very similar programs. Look what a great coach has done there. Not saying we can be Clemson but things can change in the college football landscape very quickly.
Here it is for you plain as day, the last 20 years...
Number Of Years Ranked/Last Year Ranked Since 1999
17 LSU (2018)
16 Georgia (2017)
15 Florida (2018)
14 Alabama (2018)
11 Auburn (2017)
9 Tennessee (2016)
6 Texas A&M (2018)
6 South Carolina (2013)
6 Missouri (2014)
6 Ole Piss (2015)
5 Mississippi State (2018)
3 Arkansuck (2011)
2 Vandy (2013)
1 Kentucky (2018)
Notable
You are ranked 12th out of 14 $EC schools for the number of seasons finishing in the top 25 for the last 20 years.
You have the longest non top 25 losing streak in the $EC; with no top 25 finishes in the last 8 years.
You have half the number of top 25 finishes compared to programs that are recognized as $EC also rans.
You are the worst program in the $EC right now.
There are a couple of dozen ways that your program sucks and is a s**t job. I personally think your horrible on field results are the best way of conveying exactly how bad.
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